Ethos "Thug Roze" meets the Gavita Pro LED's............

It’s crazy, I’m amazed every grow with the growth.......it’s all the white light these LEDs put off, the leaf growth never stops. My very best yield out of the room had all the plants finishing around 22-24 inches so with my style of growth, height does not matter- what does matter is the number of branches and bud sites. By keeping them short, light penetration almost becomes a non factor.

SSHZ said:

It’s crazy, I’m amazed every grow with the growth.......it’s all the white light these LEDs put off, the leaf growth never stops. My very best yield out of the room had all the plants finishing around 22-24 inches so with my style of growth, height does not matter- what does matter is the number of branches and bud sites. By keeping them short, light penetration almost becomes a non factor.

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This is what I'm hoping to pull off with my budget leds in my 3x3 tent on my first grow to finish. I have my plant spread out so far with quite a few sites on that top level. Gonna go through tonight and pull as many leaves as I think I need to to help the cheap leds with the light penetration.
Thanks for keeping up on the grow and being thorough in explaining what you are doing.

Looking good, a nice even canopy.

I’m finally seeing just a bit of stretch, see pic below.

Here‘s the other side, with the 3 Super Skunks. Its pretty obvious the sativas vs. the indicas. Lol I’ve removed some of the largest sun leaves on the S. S., but not much more yet.

Sshz are you still using just veg nutrients at the moment?

Sure am……..today is day 14 so next watering tomorrow I’ll switch to a 50/50 veg/bloom mix thru week 6. The intense leaf growth may also be a sign of me using the veg formula in flowering, but it does stop the plants from yellowing to soon.

Do you think using the veg nutrients for 2 weeks in flower may also limit the stretch a bit?

No, it actually increases the stretch, by way of more Nitrogen. But that is offset by the topping and defoliation. The plant has stress from my actions so it takes the energy it would normally use to grow and puts it towards areas I topped and defoliated to recover more quickly.

That’s good to know..anything that will help with a bit of stretch is appreciated.
im a week behind you,with some that are only 10“ high,the canopy is quite flat and really tightly bunched together, I topped them all (recommended by the breeder) who says it’s average height is 120-160 cm and not too leafy. Horse shit,tons of leafs and no way I can see these will get to anywhere near that height. I have the same leds as you so short and leafy is to be expected,these just seem too short..
I’m reading another of your diary’s from 09/20 sweet zombie where I think you had a similar issue with height,that all ended well.
hopefully mine will get there

Listen, contrary to what you may hear, you do not want tall plants with LED’s……….. they don’t penetrate as well as hps, and I’ve proven over the last 2+ years, you can get a better yield with shorter plants than taller ones. As I’ve said, you must look for strains that give off a lot of branches which are sturdy. Ive had strains strains with lots of branches that can’t hold their weight either, and you’ll end up either having to tie them all up or grow thru netting if you have that on hand. I don’t like to tie my stuff up, as it’s a lot of work, but I often do for the sake of the room.

I had grown the sweet zombie under hps, and I had tons of lower unfinished stuff at the end of the grow. I thought it was the perfect strain for LED’s, except the potency didn’t get high enough marks for me personally. Expert Seeds stuff is ok for beginners, but I’ll never grow anything from them again. I can’t recommend them anymore. We won’t touch on all the reports of hermies either.

And, I think anything a breeder claims about this or that strain can be thrown out the window with these Gavita’s. This is why I’m specifically staying with just a few breeders these days- Ethos, Irie, Tony Greens- these breeders are proven to have good success generally with my style of grow. If I wasn’t growing fem’s only, I’d be doing some others regularly. To be sure though, I only have a limited amount of grows left in me before I retire. At 66, and not really smoking much anymore, it’s definitely not as exciting to me as it once was. The wife wished I stopped 10 years ago, my customers hope I grow until I’m 80.

thanks..that’s reassuring
how often are you watering at the moment?

Either every day or every other day and a half. I’m actually about to increase their water supply 25% along with the 50/50 nute mix. Starting tomorrow………

So my smoking officially stopped last night. Believe it or not, they are putting me in the hospital for oral surgery. Long story, not for the meek. Back to gummies immediately. I’m a month out, at least my Dr. graduated Harvard top of his dental school class, and then graduated top of his med school class at Penn. A dentist and a Medical doctor.

I'm wondering how many of you are topping and defoliating now, following my lead………. Are you getting the same yield increases I am? Is there anyone who has gotten poor results? Are you getting better at it crop to crop?

Topping and defoliating I just need a bit more confidence to remove as much on the first defoliation,I’m getting there.

yield increase (Although my last crop was full of hermies & a rubbish yield,3 different strains from 3 different breeders..must have been something I did. Or I was extremely,extremely unlucky. The flip side was the plants were short,branchy and even canopy,so the potential was there..

crop improvement
so Thanks for all the info and images,it’s a massive help
hope the surgery goes well

I hope everything works out. We thank you for taking the time to help us. I hope everything goes well with your health and family. We have a few things in common besides me also being an expert indoor grower not. I got a grandchild also. It changes the way you look at the life.

Twins, our first grandkids. 1 years old yesterday. Riley and Harper.

Beautiful girls. I guess the bandana thing is in now. My granddaughter wears them to.

you need Something to distinguish them.
I bet they swap them when no one’s looking

During normal days, my daughter puts their hair up- 2 bows for Harper, one for Riley. Harper also has a mole on her side, which we use for emergencies. LOL Bandanas are for special occasions, not everyday stuff. But most days EVERYONE has trouble telling them apart.

I’ve picked up a few strains recently for future use. Some were bought on a whim, others I did a lot of research on.

1. Irie Seeds “Afterglow”

2. Rare Dankness “Coco Nibbles”

3. Barney Farm “Runtz x Layer Cake”

4. The 4th one is…….I can’t remember and don’t feel like heading up stairs. I’ll report later.


The Barney’s Farm strain is up next, a 50/50 hybrid which is what I’m looking for. That will be in November. Check out the pic’s of the Barney’s Farm strain If you come it.

Found it……heavy yielder too.

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