Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

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hey guys , I really did not mean offense. I'm a noob to but have been reading the last week straight on what not to do...and I find it funny all the hype that people soak up (myself included). the industry is a funny thing, and some are like spokesmen for it...just my two cents. I don't consider most of you noobs btw, how could I ?

and please accept my apology...i do not want to seem more than I am...I am learning and in doing so I see that some of you have really beautiful gardens.
 
Thanks for dropping knowledge over the years Uncle Ben...you've been a world of help. For me you brought growning back down to earth and removed cannabis off it's heavenly thrown that people have placed it up in idolatry.

I got most my soil ingredients today...it's almost ready to "mellow"


take care
 
Figong said:
How can the lucas formula, broken down into homebrew components that work when individual, or together be categorized as a snake oil? Am curious.
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The Lucas shortcut does not provide all 16 trace elements by itself that a plant needs, that is unseen by the eye. . . so it's sold as a snake oil in that sense that you can fake out a plant.
 
I believe gh's micro does have all that is needed. The Lucas formula does gardners a great service by eliminating the third part ( grow).
also uses good sense by cutting the application rates by a third. Great for the pocket.

i used extensively when doing hydro with large resovoirs with the great results. The add back system allows you to use one res for the entire grow.
 
edyah said:
Thanks for dropping knowledge over the years Uncle Ben...you've been a world of help. For me you brought growning back down to earth and removed cannabis off it's heavenly thrown that people have placed it up in idolatry.

I got most my soil ingredients today...it's almost ready to "mellow"


take care
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Thanks, and best to you. The more you grow all kinds of plant material, the better you will become at managing the pitfalls. Kinda like life itself - it's not the stressful situations that gets you down, it's how well you manage it.

Good luck,
UB
 
Slab said:
I believe gh's micro does have all that is needed. The Lucas formula does gardners a great service by eliminating the third part ( grow).
also uses good sense by cutting the application rates by a third. Great for the pocket.

i used extensively when doing hydro with large resovoirs with the great results. The add back system allows you to use one res for the entire grow.
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Hello friend Slab. My research the last week and more has shown otherwise, that the "Lucaus Shortcut" by itself does not provide all the trace elements in a complete regiminte (In very simple terms). However, that you can get by with a "decent" yield in hydro has been shown countless times, even by your good self. But at what cost to proper nutrition and conditions to the plant ? How much was lost that our naked eye surely cannot see ? How many bUdZ ? If it works for you happy are ye. Understanding plant biolgy and knowing what makes a plant tick on even the smallest scale can literally boost the end game (bUdZ). I'm not assuming you don't know anything, for I talk in general.

It's often in this community, that what we want to "belive" or what we want to "feel" is not often best for a plant. These plants were created specifically uncaring about our projections...

I hope all is well for you sir.
 
edyah said:
Hello friend Slab. My research the last week and more has shown otherwise, that the "Lucaus Shortcut" by itself does not provide all the trace elements in a complete regiminte (In very simple terms). However, that you can get by with a "decent" yield in hydro has been shown countless times, even by your good self. But at what cost to proper nutrition and conditions to the plant ? How much was lost that our naked eye surely cannot see ? How many bUdZ ? If it works for you happy are ye. Understanding plant biolgy and knowing what makes a plant tick on even the smallest scale can literally boost the end game (bUdZ). I'm not assuming you don't know anything, for I talk in general.

It's often in this community, that what we want to "belive" or what we want to "feel" is not often best for a plant. These plants were created specifically uncaring about our projections...

I hope all is well for you sir.
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it's not a shortcut and in fact is very labor intensive. you monitor ph and EC constantly. it is not for the novice gardner by any means

you do realize we are talking about a basic NPK profile plus 9 micro nutrients. that is superior to most on the market and is non cannabis specific. It is used by Professionals in Agriculture.

what excactly do you think is missing?
 
Uncle Ben said:
Thanks, and best to you. The more you grow all kinds of plant material, the better you will become at managing the pitfalls. Kinda like life itself - it's not the stressful situations that gets you down, it's how well you manage it.

Good luck,
UB
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Great analogy, being prepared to handle plant or even life pitfalls will result in better decisions and outcomes. Trials and tribulations - we are exercised in them.

I do plan on growing tomatoes along in my garden this go around, as a little observational study I will be doing against the cannabis crop. Do you recommend a favorite vegetable that I should consider to boost up experience for a novice ?
 
Have we come to a decision? Do leaves block or absorb light?
i pulled most of the leaves offa my plants in anticipation.
Wait, did I fuck up? Will the plant grow them back?
 
Ugh. Ok technically, rhetorically you are right. If you assume green light is being used, yes, you're right.
If you assume a normal growing situation with absorbable light, what is it then?
Lets be real. Living leaf tissue absorbs light, dead leaf tissue does not.
It's a better explanation for those who haven't studied horticulture: leaves absorb light.
Especially those big leaves which absorb more light on the basis of surface area. It seems to me that plucking big leaves in favor of small leaves is a bit silly.
Not to mention that it is a bit disingenuous to put that information out there where inexperienced growers say: aww fuck all these big green leaves are getting in the way! At which point they pluck them all off and we see a thread that starts:Help! Plants don't look healthy!
If you want to be technically correct, take two cuttings, grow them in the same situation, and show me in empirical terms how the redistribution of photosynthate can enhance interior or lower flower bud production or weight by using defoliation.
My prediction: no statistical difference.
 
edyah said:
Great analogy, being prepared to handle plant or even life pitfalls will result in better decisions and outcomes. Trials and tribulations - we are exercised in them.

I do plan on growing tomatoes along in my garden this go around, as a little observational study I will be doing against the cannabis crop. Do you recommend a favorite vegetable that I should consider to boost up experience for a novice ?
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Don't know what part of the country you live in but after 40 years of growing tomatoes, we have the holy grail showcased at the 2012 San Antonio Rodeo, a selection chosen out of 4,500 varieties - "Rodeo" aka BHN 602. Second place for me is "Big Beef", 3rd is "Celebrity". "Juliet" is a fine big tomato taste, grape tomato. I don't like heirlooms for what I consider a lack of quality, disease resistance, culture (they crack, catface) or taste.

UB
 
Uncle Ben said:
Don't know what part of the country you live in but after 40 years of growing tomatoes, we have the holy grail showcased at the 2012 San Antonio Rodeo, a selection chosen out of 4,500 varieties - "Rodeo" aka BHN 602. Second place for me is "Big Beef", 3rd is "Celebrity". "Juliet" is a fine big tomato taste, grape tomato. I don't like heirlooms for what I consider a lack of quality, disease resistance, culture (they crack, catface) or taste.

UB
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I like cooking with (Roma Grape) --Juliet, always great with reduction sauce recipes~
 
cannawizard said:
I like cooking with (Roma Grape) --Juliet, always great with reduction sauce recipes~
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Yep, good choice. Try to get your hands on the BHN 602 aka 'Rodeo'. It's big, sugary sweet, rich rich big tomato flavor, paper thin skin that melts in your mouth, perfectly round, doesn't crack unless you get hit by hot drought conditions, good acid, super production. I canned 2.5 gals. last year of the sauce.

I'm picking and eating some incredible greenhouse tomatoes developed in...of all places....the Netherlands. I don't pull them until they get blood red. I trade them for fresh farm eggs from a neighbor and tomorrow gonna trade some for 2 gallons of raw cow's milk. Gonna do some cheesemaking. ;)
 
Apomixis said:
Ugh. Ok technically, rhetorically you are right. If you assume green light is being used, yes, you're right.
If you assume a normal growing situation with absorbable light, what is it then?
Lets be real. Living leaf tissue absorbs light, dead leaf tissue does not.
It's a better explanation for those who haven't studied horticulture: leaves absorb light.
Especially those big leaves which absorb more light on the basis of surface area. It seems to me that plucking big leaves in favor of small leaves is a bit silly.
Not to mention that it is a bit disingenuous to put that information out there where inexperienced growers say: aww fuck all these big green leaves are getting in the way! At which point they pluck them all off and we see a thread that starts:Help! Plants don't look healthy!
If you want to be technically correct, take two cuttings, grow them in the same situation, and show me in empirical terms how the redistribution of photosynthate can enhance interior or lower flower bud production or weight by using defoliation.
My prediction: no statistical difference.
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This is an extreme view picking all the leaves off, the opposite extreme is just as bad imo some folk leave all the dead leaves and yellow leaves on their plants as well as lower popcorn through fear
that if they touch anything the plant will turn hemi, or that all plants grow perfectly and do not need any training because of stupid myths populated by imbeciles
there are even folk on this forum who actually believe that the light leak from an extension cord can cause a plant to turn hemi more imbecilic myths

finding the correct balance is what it is all about, that is the fun of experimenting

i prefer to keep lush newer growth on my plants removing the smaller leaves shoots and lower growth , selectively removing some of the larger leaves to allow a better spread of light
over the canopy which helps lower and middle branches to climb upto the light and become colas, i try to keep as many leaves as possible but at the same time create a more open canopy
maximizing the air flow through the plants, i would only encourage you to do your own experiments, rather than wait for others to do it for you, or tell you its ok to follow a certain course of action

peace :)
 
Uncle Ben said:
Oh yeah? I heard a rumor that William Shatner wipes his butt with Dr. Spock images imprinted on toilet tissue.
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Congratulations, you managed to make a post without using the edit function.
Actually my avatar picture is evil Spock, not sure who Dr Spock is

Top tip > The fewer words you type the fewer error's you will make.

Now this is going to complicate things even further for you
this is Nazi Spock

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peace
 
It's a common technique even used on tomatoes. I'm not saying it bad, just advanced. For new people who are just trying to grow healthy plants, the worst thing they can worry about is whether or not they should be removing leaves.
That in mind, those people prolly shouldn't be looking around on advanced threads for growing advice, you know...
 
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