missnu
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I get roots that I will plant in 3 days, but they aren't roots like we think of roots...ya know...just a few stringy stragglers hanging around.
FAST & CHEAP Cloning.
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|B3RNY|
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I'm not against bubblers at all, it's just with the large tote I can fit about 30-40 cuttings inside... a five gallon bucket bubbler is awesome for indoors since you probably don't need nearly as many as I would use, but I am growing inside and out. I developed my method inside but it was used for cuttings intended for the great outdoors... and many of them!! I have just used it to root some Serious Ak47 and Dinafem Critical + that will be grown inside though, in a dwc hydro tank(s.) I could have simply put my cuttings into my dwc box, this would have rooted them the same exact way an aerocloner works, I just don't like that method as well. If you grow DWC style don't even bother with an aerocloner, just gear it all up as usual (with fresh clones) and hand water them for a couple o' days.
Keep in mind: my roots in 3 days aren't nearly as long as those pictured in mike91's picture, but that's COMPLETELY unnecessary. Those aren't ever in the "transplant" stage, as they're rooted in net pots and can't generally be removed even if you wanted to transplant them... my method isn't "better" than an aerocloner but it's certainly just as fast (or faster) as well as much more versatile, use my method and later you can transplant your cuttings into any medium you choose... good luck putting aerocloner cuttings in soil if you're using net pots to root them. (This wouldn't apply to methods using only neoprene inserts, which makes waaaay more sense than a neoprene insert inside of a net pot, that doesn't make sense- EXCEPT when you plan to keep them there throughout their life (even then, the net pots serve no purpose; the reason growers started using neoprene was so that they could do away with media AND net pots, the neoprene holds the stem, all the net pot will do is give your roots something to get tangled around.)
Another reason why I hate the aerocloners (again because I root so many cuttings) is I have a shelf in my grow room that holds clones only, there's 2 matching totes on each (of 4) shelves.. this allows me to have everything match (because of my extreme ocd-like obsessiveness) as well as move my cuttings down the shelf in a cycle. I couldn't imagine trying to do the same thing with 8 little aerocloners, they'd take up twice as much room and I'd have 80 cuttings max, where as now I have anywhere from 10-175 at any given time.
Keep in mind: my roots in 3 days aren't nearly as long as those pictured in mike91's picture, but that's COMPLETELY unnecessary. Those aren't ever in the "transplant" stage, as they're rooted in net pots and can't generally be removed even if you wanted to transplant them... my method isn't "better" than an aerocloner but it's certainly just as fast (or faster) as well as much more versatile, use my method and later you can transplant your cuttings into any medium you choose... good luck putting aerocloner cuttings in soil if you're using net pots to root them. (This wouldn't apply to methods using only neoprene inserts, which makes waaaay more sense than a neoprene insert inside of a net pot, that doesn't make sense- EXCEPT when you plan to keep them there throughout their life (even then, the net pots serve no purpose; the reason growers started using neoprene was so that they could do away with media AND net pots, the neoprene holds the stem, all the net pot will do is give your roots something to get tangled around.)
Another reason why I hate the aerocloners (again because I root so many cuttings) is I have a shelf in my grow room that holds clones only, there's 2 matching totes on each (of 4) shelves.. this allows me to have everything match (because of my extreme ocd-like obsessiveness) as well as move my cuttings down the shelf in a cycle. I couldn't imagine trying to do the same thing with 8 little aerocloners, they'd take up twice as much room and I'd have 80 cuttings max, where as now I have anywhere from 10-175 at any given time.
ru4r34l
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unless the net pots fit nicely in the cloner, and there usually is no tangling as most will cut the bottom from the net pots. Never had a problem transplanting into any medium whle using collar and net pot.
regards,
missnu
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I use a 400w MH..
and as for the Aerocloner debate, I would never pay for such an item..and if you like the totes better you could just make an aerocloner tote instead of a bucket...just like DWC, be it in a tote or a bucket it is all the same...Hell the only difference at all is the type of pump used, and whether you use sprayers or a bubbler...I like the spraying...don't know why.. The reason I had all the stuff to make the cloner was from having previously run DWC. Couldn't get it right and went back to soil...but once I was using soil and cloning in soil I realized that it was just so much slower than when I used to just take a cutting and stick it in the DWC bucket...So, since I had such an issue with DWC, I made a spraying type cloner, more like that of an aero clone.
and as for the Aerocloner debate, I would never pay for such an item..and if you like the totes better you could just make an aerocloner tote instead of a bucket...just like DWC, be it in a tote or a bucket it is all the same...Hell the only difference at all is the type of pump used, and whether you use sprayers or a bubbler...I like the spraying...don't know why.. The reason I had all the stuff to make the cloner was from having previously run DWC. Couldn't get it right and went back to soil...but once I was using soil and cloning in soil I realized that it was just so much slower than when I used to just take a cutting and stick it in the DWC bucket...So, since I had such an issue with DWC, I made a spraying type cloner, more like that of an aero clone.
|B3RNY|
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They don't need their own light, put them off to the side in your vegetative room. Lighting is not important (other than hours (16+)), intense light will just dry them out more quickly. That's what I do anyways, cuttings from the same strain/mother root more quickly without their own light, in my experience... once mine are rooted they go directly under my strong lights with no problems.
If you must use a light then use CFL's or fluorescent fixtures, nothing works better for cuttings.. no matter what anybody says, you will learn that for yourself, in time. Using halide/sodium would be a waste of electricity.
If you must use a light then use CFL's or fluorescent fixtures, nothing works better for cuttings.. no matter what anybody says, you will learn that for yourself, in time. Using halide/sodium would be a waste of electricity.
mike91sr
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I can pull them right out of those netpots no problem...Theyre not rooted into anything, I transplant them into hydroton or soil. If I chose to, I could also plant them into STG, RW, or anything else I want. Look close, nothing is tangled and nothing gets damaged coming out. Though I usually would have tplanted right around the time that picture was taken, but I'm letting them get a much larger root system to see if there's less shock this time. I started using the netpots because I was using a DIY aerocloner at the time, and wanted less intense spray directly on forming roots. Now my lid is already drilled to hold the netpots, collars are too loose. So I keep it the same, and like I said I have no issues getting plants out of the netpots even with roots so I see no reason not to. Otherwise all I'd have to do is cut the lower portion off, but thats more hassle than pulling the roots out.
|B3RNY|
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That isn't as practical if you must cut the bottom of the net pot out, then they aren't re-usable. With inserts, the net pots are a waste of time and money, they add absolutely nothing to the grow. With net pots there is ALWAYS tangling, they're tangled the minute they root past the bottom of the pot. The whole point of the inserts was to do away with media AND net pots.
As the thread stated, this is about quick, cheap methods. Aerocloners can't be better here, as long as they cost more and take longer. I'm sure you can transplant from an aerocloner to soil, I've done it a few times, but it isn't as easy/simple as dropping your peat pellet/rockwool cube straight down in the soil.
|B3RNY|
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AWESOME!! I love growing outside, indoor growers will never be able to match my yields, no matter what they do. In 1 summer a (good) outdoor grower will harvest more than an indoor grower will get out of 2-3 years, no matter how many 100 watters they strap up. Your plant bulb would be fine, actually... the clamp light (with a 23 watt cfl) is the only light I use for clones (if any at all.)
I have taught many of my local friends my cloning method to get them started out, then they got froggy and tried other methods but every single one of 'em made their way back to this simple way.
|B3RNY|
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Sunlight = 90,000 lumens per square foot. You couldn't match that with grow lights even if you had billions of dollars, unless you concentrated the light form a 1000 watter into 1 square foot, then you'd most likely start a fire. If you only have outside space to grow, use my same method only put your tote outside, bring it in with you at night though if it gets very cold where you are (you could also raise them off the ground some way.)
missnu
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So does the sand thing work on MJ?
missnu
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Right because dropping in a naked plant into some soil is harder than dropping in a jiffy pellet?
missnu
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I use a 400w MH because I clone in my veg tent...so it is right there...but my clones have to root fast, or they will die under the big lights...they always root, and I am using the power anyway...lol.
missnu
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it is hard to "dry out" a clone in any of the water setups, DWC, aero, whatever...and the big lights make clones grow faster the same way they make plants grow faster.
sfttailpaul
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SFguy, that's a great and ingenious way to make collars and cheap too! Never thought of that, used cellulose sponges in lieu. Yours' seem so much faster and would hold better. Nice!