Feeding in coco

gr865

gr865

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I am running Canna coco and nutrients, DTW, with a auto drip system. Just flipped and running 3 drip cycles during lights on.
I found this a few years back and have been using it since. Just have to adjust the Cal/Mag to get the required amount of Ca.

LESS IS MORE

200 ppm of a + b for veg.
350 ppm of a + b for flower.

Here is a chart the gives the ratios of Calcium in given ppm of A&B.
This Calcium information is purely based on a Canna schedule, using CaliMagic. Once you hit around 700 ppm you no longer need Cal/mag additives.

CaliMagic/Canna A&B ratio
150 ppm/200 ppm = 350
150 ppm of CaliMagic = 112 ppm Ca/200 ppm A&B = 44 ppm Ca, so, that equals 156 ppm Ca

100 ppm = 75 Ca/300 ppm A&B = 66 ppm Ca, that is 141 ppm Ca

50 ppm = 38 Ca/400 ppm A&B = 88 ppm Ca = that is 126 ppm Ca

This is based on slightly rough math but is very close to correct, in my experience.

A&B
3 ml/gal = .4 EC = 200 ppm with around 44 ppm of calcium
4.5 ml/gal = .6 EC = 300 ppm with around 66 ppm of calcium
6.2 ml/gal = .8 EC = 400 ppm with around 88 ppm of calcium
7.7 ml/gal = 1 EC = 500 ppm with around 112 ppm of calcium
9.2 ml/gal = 1.2 EC = 600 ppm with around 135 ppm of calcium

I use GH CaliMagic, and the RO is 55 ppm, it has Ca and Mag added back for flavor. I add Cal/Magic and Epsom to bring my #'s to 170+/- ppm, then begin adding the base nutrients. I use Canna Coco's line of nutrients but I back off of their recommended rates, as I feel they are way high. For example, in veg I will add only 200 ppm of A&B, in flower 350 ppm. Now that rate does not give me the Cal ratio needed. You need around 150 ppm of calcium alone, so even if when I'm at 200 ppm A&B = 44 ppm Ca, if I only added 100 ppm of CaliMagic, only 75 is calcium so I would still be short, need to add 150 ppm CaliMagic to get the Ca at 156 ppm.

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xtsho

xtsho

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gr865 said:
I am running Canna coco and nutrients, DTW, with a auto drip system. Just flipped and running 3 drip cycles during lights on.
I found this a few years back and have been using it since. Just have to adjust the Cal/Mag to get the required amount of Ca.

LESS IS MORE

200 ppm of a + b for veg.
350 ppm of a + b for flower.

Here is a chart the gives the ratios of Calcium in given ppm of A&B.
This Calcium information is purely based on a Canna schedule, using CaliMagic. Once you hit around 700 ppm you no longer need Cal/mag additives.

CaliMagic/Canna A&B ratio
150 ppm/200 ppm = 350
150 ppm of CaliMagic = 112 ppm Ca/200 ppm A&B = 44 ppm Ca, so, that equals 156 ppm Ca

100 ppm = 75 Ca/300 ppm A&B = 66 ppm Ca, that is 141 ppm Ca

50 ppm = 38 Ca/400 ppm A&B = 88 ppm Ca = that is 126 ppm Ca

This is based on slightly rough math but is very close to correct, in my experience.

A&B
3 ml/gal = .4 EC = 200 ppm with around 44 ppm of calcium
4.5 ml/gal = .6 EC = 300 ppm with around 66 ppm of calcium
6.2 ml/gal = .8 EC = 400 ppm with around 88 ppm of calcium
7.7 ml/gal = 1 EC = 500 ppm with around 112 ppm of calcium
9.2 ml/gal = 1.2 EC = 600 ppm with around 135 ppm of calcium

I use GH CaliMagic, and the RO is 55 ppm, it has Ca and Mag added back for flavor. I add Cal/Magic and Epsom to bring my #'s to 170+/- ppm, then begin adding the base nutrients. I use Canna Coco's line of nutrients but I back off of their recommended rates, as I feel they are way high. For example, in veg I will add only 200 ppm of A&B, in flower 350 ppm. Now that rate does not give me the Cal ratio needed. You need around 150 ppm of calcium alone, so even if when I'm at 200 ppm A&B = 44 ppm Ca, if I only added 100 ppm of CaliMagic, only 75 is calcium so I would still be short, need to add 150 ppm CaliMagic to get the Ca at 156 ppm.

5.8 pH & Drip Clean for the win!
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I don't understand how they can call them coco specific nutes when they don't contain enough calcium and you need to add supplements. I'm not saying they are not decent nutes but for the price they should contain everything without the need to buy additional supplements. But that's the cannabis specific nutrient industry for you.

But yeah, less is better no matter what you're using.
 
boilingoil

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Running 24 ppm out of my RO I only use a cal-mag to get me close to 100 ppm and I've only had to do that since switching to led's. Other than that just base a&b nutrients with just a little 0-10-6 potash in flower.
 
gr865

gr865

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xtsho said:
I don't understand how they can call them coco specific nutes when they don't contain enough calcium and you need to add supplements. I'm not saying they are not decent nutes but for the price they should contain everything without the need to buy additional supplements. But that's the cannabis specific nutrient industry for you.

But yeah, less is better no matter what you're using.
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Again, I run lower that Canna recommends, if I ran them at their suggested rates, 11+ ml/gal, for this stage of growth, that would provide all that Ca I need. That is the only reason I have to add the extra CaliMagic to get the amt of Ca needed.
As far as supplements go, I don't do Super Bloom/ Max Bloom are any thing like that, I just run there Cannazym (for roots safety), Rhizotonic (promote rooting) and Boost. The only other nutrients I add is KoolBloom Liquid in place of Canna P/K during weeks 4 and 5. Also use Great White for root protection and stimulant.

In my years of growing I have run many brands of nutes and have had the best results with Canna.

Yep Less is More!
 
Pepe le skunk

Pepe le skunk

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Wow. All super low numbers. Surprised. I add perlite and a base soil mix as well. So I'm actually about 50-60% Coco. I add molasses for food, sugar, nitrogen into the mix as a few feedings are tea, (wormcastings, kelp, black dust (humus), bacteria and sometimes alfalfa, fish emulsion) week 3-4. I spoke with a professional grower as I live in colorado and he was at 2200 ppm (tds) in flower. But what would they know? I'd like to see what your producing with those lower numbers. gg4 X shiskberry, week 7-8
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gr865

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@boilingoil

Good podcast!
When I have used the recommended rates, no matter which product, I get burning.
And for some stupid reason, when I have tried different products I try their recommended rates.
Now when I have a problem I know it is from laziness and not keeping an eye on pH or pressing the top rates in an attempt to increase yields. I am getting better but damn I like to experiment, LOL.

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Neville Longbottom

Neville Longbottom

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Pepe le skunk said:
Wow. All super low numbers. Surprised. I add perlite and a base soil mix as well. So I'm actually about 50-60% Coco. I add molasses for food, sugar, nitrogen into the mix as a few feedings are tea, (wormcastings, kelp, black dust (humus), bacteria and sometimes alfalfa, fish emulsion) week 3-4. I spoke with a professional grower as I live in colorado and he was at 2200 ppm (tds) in flower. But what would they know? I'd like to see what your producing with those lower numbers. gg4 X shiskberry, week 7-8
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I noticed you have no fan leaves why is that I think you could get much larger buds if you left them. The fan leaves are the solar panels of the plant not the buds. See this plant has 3-4 weeks left I'll easily get a 4 ten gram top nugs from this plant with tons of little(2-4 gram) nugs. Also I'm feeding at 1.6 ec
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xtsho

xtsho

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Leaves make big buds. Leaves don't take away from bud growth. I cut nothing. 600 watt HPS. Three gallon fabric pots of 100% coco. Blumats for watering. 800 max ppm. Calcium nitrate, MKP, micronutrient blend. Added epsom salts week 4 and 5 of flower. That's it. All water soluble salts. No fairy dust. So easy a Caveman could do it. Fill the reservoir and walk away.


 
boilingoil

boilingoil

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gr865 said:
@boilingoil

Good podcast!
When I have used the recommended rates, no matter which product, I get burning.
And for some stupid reason, when I have tried different products I try their recommended rates.
Now when I have a problem I know it is from laziness and not keeping an eye on pH or pressing the top rates in an attempt to increase yields. I am getting better but damn I like to experiment, LOL.

:wall:
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I do experiments a lot too and I probable grow different in coir than most also, as in I don't feed to waste but maybe a couple of time through the cycle. I do daily metered feeds according to the stages of growth of my grow routine. A lot of people say you can't grow in coir like that but everything I've seen in the 3 years of running that style says I can.
 
Pepe le skunk

Pepe le skunk

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The reason for the deleafing is to expose the budsites hidden from direct light, also part of the 2 times defoliation during flower. Helps force all the energy to the tips. Have to much larf as it is. Small popcorn. So I cut most of that out early.
Will have to cut down on the nutrients or better yet get or borrow a ppm meter to see the numbers. Im using a TDS meter. So they might correspond to similar reading's when compared. Lovely pictures everyone. Purple Elephant.
 

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Neville Longbottom

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Pepe le skunk said:
The reason for the deleafing is to expose the budsites hidden from direct light, also part of the 2 times defoliation during flower. Helps force all the energy to the tips. Have to much larf as it is. Small popcorn. So I cut most of that out early.
Will have to cut down on the nutrients or better yet get or borrow a ppm meter to see the numbers. Im using a TDS meter. So they might correspond to similar reading's when compared. Lovely pictures everyone. Purple Elephant.
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Lol we know what your doing were trying to help you cause those nugs arnt that big and not very frosty either.
 
Cocogrower420

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xtsho said:
Leaves make big buds. Leaves don't take away from bud growth. I cut nothing. 600 watt HPS. Three gallon fabric pots of 100% coco. Blumats for watering. 800 max ppm. Calcium nitrate, MKP, micronutrient blend. Added epsom salts week 4 and 5 of flower. That's it. All water soluble salts. No fairy dust. So easy a Caveman could do it. Fill the reservoir and walk away.


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Looks good man
 
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