Fine tuning my feeding.. Molasses??

bonkia

bonkia

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I grow in coco have for seven years. Started out with gh did well wanted more went to cutting edge yeilds droped couple years later went back to gh. Sooo as of now im running 3 party gh diamond nectar liquid karma gonna toss im some b1 and silica finishing with moab... I understand some people say all this stuff is snake oil soo im trying to cut down on things. I read molasses is a great finisher for soil however, ive read that it kills none soil. I know coco is consider soiless soooo.... Do i need to buy like bud candy or withh blackstrapp work!??
 
slump

slump

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Really no need to use carbohydrates in hydro unless you're running beneficials...plants can't use carbs at all and they're only good for feeding colonies of beneficial bacteria. I have no personal experience with using molasses as a sweetner as I too grow in coco but I use great white for the bene's and carboload or bud candy just to feed them.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Molasses is awesome. make sure its unsulphered molasses. Much cheaper and does more than all those bottle sweeteners. I use it with my guano teas and flush with it except for last watering. I do soil too. bene bacteria feed off of it, it has some nutes potassium, iron, sodium, calcium, magnesium. Its carbs for the plant and a chelating agent.
 
Gr0wGreen

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botanicare just released their own molasses called Strapped. its only $15 for a gallon. cheaper than any grocery store.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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slump said:
Do you hand water? I wouldn't put molasses in a rez.
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I hand water... But for hydro, it depends on how thick it is and how fast it breaks down. I've used grandmas brand in aero kits with no problem. But brer rabbit and black strapped brands are too thick for hydro.
 
bonkia

bonkia

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I hand water. I found gh flora nectar its pretty cheap i think ill just do that and not risk it. I looked into that great white i think ill replace my superthirve with it it has all that stuff and more!
 
Gr0wGreen

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bonkia said:
I hand water. I found gh flora nectar its pretty cheap i think ill just do that and not risk it. I looked into that great white i think ill replace my superthirve with it it has all that stuff and more!
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whoever told you those two products do the same thing has no idea what he's talking about. great white is a beneficial bacteria innoculant. superthrive is a b vitamin complex. two completley different products with two completley different purposes

great white = roots
super thrive = stress relief
 
bonkia

bonkia

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Thxs for that! Ive read so much the last couple of days i may have screwed that up in my own head! Seems the more i read into it the less simple it becomes lol... Sooo how about roots excelarator would you use this aswell? I also use hygrozime...
 
RawBudzski

RawBudzski

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I have a buddy who was using great white along with his advanced nute line like a Douche.. he has a badass setup but hasn't got a clue what he is doing feed wise. Using chems & organic in tandum as if it is helping.
 
bonkia

bonkia

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Are they not compatable with eachother? Thxs for all the info i know there is so much debate on all this. I have used microiza in the past and the fungus seems to thrive in my coco setup. I also use teas which they seem to really enjoy aswell. I just really enjoy making my girls happy and if they are happy i am! I enjoy sharing the fruits of my labor and the praise i recieve!! And i dont mind spending alittle more for my friends and family!!
 
RawBudzski

RawBudzski

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No, they do not work with one another.. Organics & microbial life..are alive.. Chemical ferts..are not & will kill off any living microbs you may have in the soil.
 
slump

slump

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bonkia said:
Thxs for that! Ive read so much the last couple of days i may have screwed that up in my own head! Seems the more i read into it the less simple it becomes lol... Sooo how about roots excelarator would you use this aswell? I also use hygrozime...
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Roots excelerator is good and there is a noticeable difference in root mass when using it...I've been using Rootbastic by Atami in the last few grows and it is very comparable to RE, and MUCH less expensive. I used to use Hygrozyme with every grow but have cut it out over the last few crops as I never really had trouble with root rot and since I've stopped using it, I have not noticed any adverse effects.

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Gr0wGreen

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roots excel is an A+ product. multizen by House & Garden is the most cost effect enzyme product (like hygrozme) on the market
 
bonkia

bonkia

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Well i guess ill only use the great white in the first stages in the soil when the plants are just getting used to how hot it is. Yah i love root excel they sure do seem happy. Ill have to look at the multizen. Soo if nothing lives in the soil when useing chems. Whats the point of all the sweetners, sweet, sugardaddy, ect, ect..
 
Corbat420

Corbat420

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hyroot said:
Here is a recent university study from scientists at oxford university. It states that sucrose (sugar / molasses) improves mass on plants. Helpe shaded ones to get close to same mass as non shaded ones

Very good read.

http://m.jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/53/376/1935.full
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THAT study is comparing the effects of Digested carbohydrates and the amount of light given to a plant and any defigned effects between the 2 variables....

The carbohydrates need to become active for plant consumption (AKA. degraded) before they can be absorbed by the plants, Hydroponic mediums do not have the microbes needed to to digest and degrade the carbohydrates for plant consumption there for it is a waste to use Carbs and Hydro nutes.

P.S: Some companies have found ways of processing the carbs prior to sale (such as carboload) and do have an effect on the plants, but the hydro companies trap you by making you buy THEIR products....
 
slump

slump

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bonkia said:
Found this http://www.supremegrowers.com/blog/do-chemical-fertilizers-kill-mycorrhizae

Chems on mycorrhizae
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Didn't read it all but yeah...they won't kill them off, should have debunked that right away. The thing is with hydro and mycorrhizae is that you have to inoculate them more often. You really want to build a good colony by time flowering starts because one of the main functions of mycorrhizae is the delivery of phosphorus to the plant and that will be reduced as synthetics already deliver enough phosphorus that the beneficials hardly have to work. But a healthy colony will still make the plant very tolerant to drought and pest resistant! VIVA LA MYCORRHIZAE!
 
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