First Closet CFL Grow
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toolage
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Ok thank you all for your help. I actually think it is over watering. The reason I don't think it's a heat problem because my temps never EVER go over 75 degress since i've fixed that room. When it got to 91 is when I first put my HPS in there and no fans at all. The max is just what its set to on my therm/humid reader. It's only gotten to 91 degs 1 time and for only about 15 minutes. I don't think its a nute problem at all, as i am OCD about my PPM. I have been feeding a little extra water to it here and there on the side, but I think it may be over watering.
On a side note, I will start flushing on Monday, and will flush for 14 days.
Thank you all for your constant help and support, without you all this grow is nothing!
yeah unfortunanlty it's not a DWC, even though that's what I would like to setup.
All I need for a DWC setup is a bunch of airstones and pumps, and net pots right??
On a side note, I will start flushing on Monday, and will flush for 14 days.
Thank you all for your constant help and support, without you all this grow is nothing!
yeah unfortunanlty it's not a DWC, even though that's what I would like to setup.
All I need for a DWC setup is a bunch of airstones and pumps, and net pots right??
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email468
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yep - that's about it. my set-up is essentially a DWC with an aero sprayer spritzing the roots.
email468
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The primary con is if the electric goes out - your res is no longer oxygenated and that's bad news. But that is problem with nearly all hydro (if not an air pump then a water pump, right?) I'd want at least 3 gallons of reservoir per plant - my preference is 5 gallons per plant.
toolage
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so say i have 2 rubbermaid bins, that hold roughly atleast 10 gallons of water. How many plants can I plant in each bin, how many Airpumps and airstones will I need. Will I need any other kind of water pump or anything like that.
email468
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You could probably do 4 plants per bin (that would be a bit less than 3 gallons per plant - but i suspect your bins are larger than that). if you were going a small SoG style grow - you could probably fill them up pretty good.
You could get away with a single air-pump that has multiple connectors. I really like over-kill when it comes to oxygenating my reservoir. I have 3 ceramic air stones , a flexible air stone and 2 straight through air tubes in my little reservoir! it looks like a jacuzzi!
you could do three in one bin and three in the other with a 6-nozzle air pump.
So a 6-nozzle air pump, 4 air-stones and tubing. 2 air stones per bin with one straight through air tube per bin i think would be rockin'!
toolage
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Trust me, this resevoir can hold atleast probably 20 gallons, but I only fill it up to 10 gallons for easy carrying around. What do you mean as a straight through air tube? Right now I'm using a Topfin 5" airstone, all it does is bubble the water. It might also be the airpump I'm using, but I dont see how the airpump I'm using now could make the water bubble up so much that it waters the bottom of the net pots.
Top Fin® Round Airstones - Air Pumps & Accessories - PetSmart heres a link of what I'm using.
I will definently make a trip to Petsmart tomorrow and see what my costs will be to convert over to DWC. I haven't ever had problems with power outtages around where I live so this all sounds to be good.
Top Fin® Round Airstones - Air Pumps & Accessories - PetSmart heres a link of what I'm using.
I will definently make a trip to Petsmart tomorrow and see what my costs will be to convert over to DWC. I haven't ever had problems with power outtages around where I live so this all sounds to be good.
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Alto
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that system would rock T
I am a bit smaller scale
My giant reservoir is 2 gallons
and I have a dinky air pump with a single air stone
That circulates and aerates at the same time!
its about as simple as it gets
Inside the pots is a fat strip of thick paper
(probably made from some organic something)
that goes to the bottom and about 1/2 way up its folded over
onto the Hydroton. I sit the rock wool cube on that and cover with more Hydroton
thats it.
The paper strip wicks up enough water till the babies can reach the reservoir
called passive wick system
Once they have roots in the water it changes to a dwc.
Instead of "net pots" my pots are solid, but all 4 corners and the bottom
are open with slot like holes. roots come out from there but the majority of the root ball remains inside the pot. At least so far it has.
I like simple as long as it works
Balancing a 2 gal res is a chore that I would gladly trade for having to buy more nutes
and have thought about getting/making a larger one
I am always on the "lookout" when in the 5Below trust me lol
I want a like 40 gallon beer cooler
I am a bit smaller scale
My giant reservoir is 2 gallons
and I have a dinky air pump with a single air stone
That circulates and aerates at the same time!
its about as simple as it gets
Inside the pots is a fat strip of thick paper
(probably made from some organic something)
that goes to the bottom and about 1/2 way up its folded over
onto the Hydroton. I sit the rock wool cube on that and cover with more Hydroton
thats it.
The paper strip wicks up enough water till the babies can reach the reservoir
called passive wick system
Once they have roots in the water it changes to a dwc.
Instead of "net pots" my pots are solid, but all 4 corners and the bottom
are open with slot like holes. roots come out from there but the majority of the root ball remains inside the pot. At least so far it has.
I like simple as long as it works
Balancing a 2 gal res is a chore that I would gladly trade for having to buy more nutes
and have thought about getting/making a larger one
I am always on the "lookout" when in the 5Below trust me lol
I want a like 40 gallon beer cooler
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toolage
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wow man that's a dope system! Unfortunantly I don't have that small of a resevoir to do that. But mine are so tall, I'm trying to think how on earth its going to be able to bubble the water that high to be able to wet the net pots. hmmm..that system would rock T
I am a bit smaller scale
My giant reservoir is 2 gallons
and I have a dinky air pump with a single air stone
That circulates and aerates at the same time!
its about as simple as it gets
Inside the pots is a fat strip of thick paper
(probably made from some organic something)
that goes to the bottom and about 1/2 way up its folded over
onto the Hydroton. I sit the rock wool cube on that and cover with more Hydroton
thats it.
The paper strip wicks up enough water till the babies can reach the reservoir
called passive wick system
Once they have roots in the water it changes to a dwc.
Instead of "net pots" my pots are solid, but all 4 corners and the bottom
are open with slot like holes. roots come out from there but the majority of the root ball remains inside the pot. At least so far it has.
I like simple as long as it works
Balancing a 2 gal res is a chore that I would gladly trade for having to buy more nutes
and have thought about getting/making a larger one
I am always on the "lookout" when in the 5Below trust me lol
I want a like 40 gallon beer cooler
email468
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just air-tube with no air-stone or anything else attached....straight-through - blowing a jet of water.
I keep my netpots bottom in the reservoir - or at least within an inch or so - until the roots grow into the water and then i don't fill it up as much. but my plants sit a little higher in the net pot (the plants are NOT ever in the water). does that make sense?
i would recommend a good air-pump - this is what i use (but like i said - i like over kill when it comes to keeping the res oxygenated. be warned it vibrates like a mutha (you have to keep it screwed down) and is loud as a fan (or louder)!
Alto
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water pump and spray nozzles dude
GROWFAQ
Thats the type I'm using (at the moment)
only in the picture at the top of the article imagine holes where the roots can reach the rezz on their own at some point
there by negating the big plant mumbo jumbo that guy was talking about.
The one email is talking about (if i understand him correctly) is sorta a hybrid between aeroponics and dwc
using these
to wet the roots until they reach the reservoir
with your drip system you could make a big areogarden actually
using the drip to feed the roots until they reach the reservoir is what the aerogarden does. I took mine apart lol.
basically whatever way you do it the important thing is to have the roots end up in the reservoir feeding directly.
Thats the easy part tho. the plants will find it all on their own.
The hardest part as you know is keeping the reservoir in a balanced state
where the plants can get all they need and leftovers don't have a chance to build up.
Thats why I reall want a bigger reservoir. Just like a tropical aquarium the larger the tank the easier to keep
balanced being in smaller tanks a very little chemical changes the water more drastically
did that make sense?
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email468
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yep - that's a whole different set-up with the aero - you have to run all the lines. my rainforest is kind of neat in that the res is round and the aero sprayer spins around misting water on the roots.water pump and spray nozzles dude
GROWFAQ
Thats the type I'm using (at the moment)
The one email is talking about is sorta a hybrid between aeroponics and dwc
using these
to wet the roots until they reach the reservoir
with your drip system you could make a big areogarden actually
using the drip to feed the roots until they reach the reservoir is what the aerogarden does. I took mine apart lol.
basically whatever way you do it the important thing is to have the roots end up in the reservoir feeding directly.
Alto
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Right (sorry I forgot, so many grows) you have that Rainforest
You can change between different tops too right like a top that you have a lot more sites for clones right?
kochab
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toolage, as far as my hydro experiences go I suck UNLESS its dwc.
You should be able to make a dwc setup very easy, if you neeed some help with it pm me later bra. What you really want though is a recirculating dwc. What that means basically is that you take a normal dwc system and add a water pump to the mix. Instead of just bubbling, it spreads the bubbles around in the res even more than the airstone alone does. So you get pretty good oxygenated water from the bubbles and on top of that you have the additional oxygen that the water gets from the res constantly moving.
I think you can put 3 plants in those 10 gallon res easy, You will be able to do up to 5 with no problem with a recirculating dwc though.
But the only catch 22 is, If you keep several plants in a dwc system the roots like to grow together. This next grow you are going to be doing will all be from seed, what are you gonna be able to do with the roots to the males? that answer is.....You cant do shit about it but leave em in there. Most people that do dwc and have several plants per container grow from clone to prevent that.
You may want to look into using an flood and drain table for the flowering room and just use the dwc for a mom until you get a bunch of clones.
with a flood and drain(i believe that its also called ebb and flow?) you keep plants roots in rockwool in a table that has an edge to it similar to the way a pool table is.
Then you have a res with a pump that puts water on the table so often with a timer. There is a drain on the table in the center to send any un used nutes back to the res.
You should be able to make a dwc setup very easy, if you neeed some help with it pm me later bra. What you really want though is a recirculating dwc. What that means basically is that you take a normal dwc system and add a water pump to the mix. Instead of just bubbling, it spreads the bubbles around in the res even more than the airstone alone does. So you get pretty good oxygenated water from the bubbles and on top of that you have the additional oxygen that the water gets from the res constantly moving.
I think you can put 3 plants in those 10 gallon res easy, You will be able to do up to 5 with no problem with a recirculating dwc though.
But the only catch 22 is, If you keep several plants in a dwc system the roots like to grow together. This next grow you are going to be doing will all be from seed, what are you gonna be able to do with the roots to the males? that answer is.....You cant do shit about it but leave em in there. Most people that do dwc and have several plants per container grow from clone to prevent that.
You may want to look into using an flood and drain table for the flowering room and just use the dwc for a mom until you get a bunch of clones.
with a flood and drain(i believe that its also called ebb and flow?) you keep plants roots in rockwool in a table that has an edge to it similar to the way a pool table is.
Then you have a res with a pump that puts water on the table so often with a timer. There is a drain on the table in the center to send any un used nutes back to the res.
email468
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That's correct - but the sprayer could stop working and it is a fine DWC system.
email468
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one thing you can do with males is cut them off at the main stem way above the roots and below most of the branches making sure to take all the flowers with you. and keep it that way - it will spend most of its time trying to heal itself and you'll have plenty of time to snip off new nodes as they gradually appear. the females can continue on their merry way.
kochab
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You saying keep the male alive throughout the whole grow just cut all new growth off? It will still flower as long as it has a few nodes with leaves on em though wouldent it? You would have to make sure all the pollen was cut back during flowering.
I suppose that would be a bit iffy but it would work.
Thanks email Ive never thought about that
email468
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the idea is to hack it as much as possible without killing it (to prevent the roots from rotting).You saying keep the male alive throughout the whole grow just cut all new growth off? It will still flower as long as it has a few nodes with leaves on em though wouldent it? You would have to make sure all the pollen was cut back during flowering.
I suppose that would be a bit iffy but it would work.
Thanks email Ive never thought about that
