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Isn't that the same thing kinda. Either way I have personally used. Here are some bud-shots of my last grow.

sweet sweet ganj

That's with MG used for "some" not all of the grow. For the most part no nutes were even used. My soil was fine. These are also using CFL lights. I used 12x 26w (100w equiv blue burning) for the entire grow. Yes, I needed some red burning light but I didn't have any or the money to get. So I would say this is an accomplishment and maybe this will give you something to aim for?

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nice! Insipirational!

Daily update

I planted 2 more sprouts, one of which had a really long root (~1 inch), so I had to be careful putting it into the jiffy-7. Gave all three cups a little splash of tapwater, pH ~ 6.9

Room temperature is higher today, and my nuclear reactor felt a touch warm, so I modified it to just one CFL with a tinfoil lampshade:



Daily Rumination
Read a metric ton of posts and guides and blogs and journals and stuff yesterday. Kind of neglected my real life a bit...

My favorite reads included subcool's many excellent threads on RIU's organic forum, and this guide to creating bonsai mother and father plants:

http://www.cannabase.com/cl/index.html

Also, I read through heath robinson's amazing hydro grows, and dreamed of a day when I can be so masterful.

ok nix the foil for sure bro,

growman 3666 Do ya think I'm slow roasting my seedlings? You're probably right. I'm gonna take it down.

Thx!

Good job so far. Suscrbed!

yeah I learned the hard way with tin foil.. it creates hot spots.. and can burn very easily..

obelisk said:

growman 3666 Do ya think I'm slow roasting my seedlings? You're probably right. I'm gonna take it down.

Thx!

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chea man get that shit outa there

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Really? and Drr great to have you along! I hope I'll have a seedling to show you soon.

growman3666 you were definitely right, it was like a little toaster oven in there.

It's aggravating to not see any cotyledons, but I'm sure I'll see some eventually.

In college I chucked a couple of bagseeds in a pot with soil that had already grown and killed an african violet. I watered the pot when I remembered to, and ......sprouted 3/3. They grew for a couple of weeks on a windowsill (i had a high apartment ) I ended up throwing them out...wish I had known half of what I know now from reading this site!

I finally put a little thermometer with my seeds. temp was 60 this morning, as opposed to 80+ when I had the tinfoil thing. To bring the temps up a little, I turned on my other two lamps, and put my tinfoil underneath the seed bowl to reflect a little light back up from the tabletop.

Hope that works for you O. You don't mind me calling you O do you? If you haven't got the chance, check my sig. I put up some new pictures in my new journal.

Gday m8. Looks like u cud end up microwaving the lings, just try build a good little root system ,give them full light when they got at least 4 leafs.
And perlite only will be to dry for new roots to go there, shud be 60% perlite 40 vercumulite really,
but if its goin good 4u then let it bee,
y tissue in bottom of pot????
And i wudnt nute at all for a good while if usin mg
if u usein mg soil&perlite just mix it 70/30 soil/perlite and it will pretty much grow its self

whoooooooooooooooooop arse

Really? you can call me whatever you want, just don't call me late for munchies!

HERBAL ADDICT Thanks for the input! I'm hoping that my seeds are making a little root system, cuz they sure aren't showing me any green The perlite is actually just around the outside of the jiffy-7 pellet to help keep it moist. The tissue was to keep the perlite from falling out of the holes in the bottom of the pot without affecting drainage. At the moment, they're not in MG, but if someday they do fill the jiffy-7 pellet with roots, they'll be going into MG soil (80% soil/20% perlite) and I won't give them any nutes.

Question - I'm getting worried that there aren't any leaves poking up after 3 days...
Do I keep waiting or take a peek under the surface of the soil to see if everything is OK?

What is a Jiffy-7 Pellet? This:

Image stolen from somewhere. Those aren't my seeds, I think they're pea plants.

Whats up O? I would add just a little bit more perlite or vermiculite to your mix, 70-30 ratio when they are ready for soil. This will allow for better drainage as well as more oxygen to your root system. Not my idea, just what the dr. ordered. As far as your question goes, I have peeked before with no harm done.

perlite wont help keep the pellet moist, and u wont see leafs poking threw soil,,
a stem with 2 round leafs stuck together by a thin skin will sprout threw,
have a little peak under the top of the soil if u want and see what its doing, it wont harm as long as u gentle,
then just lightly sprinkle a bit ov the peat over the top and 3or4 drips of water,
u dont want the seed to be compact under the peat if u know what i mean, ive lost seedlings in the past coz ov this, now i hardly burry mt seeds at all, like 3mm deep,
so what u got growin so far? any sprouted? or u just trying 1 at a time m8?
and pics of them,? ill post a pic ov mine if u wana see my stealth cfl grow, ive just got one ov them 2700k envirolite cfl 250w super lights for 48 quid, its huge and blinds u, its like 250w= equiv 1017w ov t5 flouros

obelisk said:

Question - I'm getting worried that there aren't any leaves poking up after 3 days...
Do I keep waiting or take a peek under the surface of the soil to see if everything is OK?

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I'm in the middle of my first grow and got impatient with waiting for the seeds to break the surface. DO NOT move the soil to look for them. I did this and found the seed with its cotyledons. It was making its way to the surface but I moved it which in the end killed it. I think the tap root begins to build a microscopic root system which is very delicate and will break if disturbed.

People have the same issue when using the paper towel method for germinating. If the tap root gets too long it begins to attach a root system to the towel and when you move it to the soil you destroy the root network and cause major stress on the germinating seed.

i didnt say move the seed! just loosen its covering,, did that to my current grow and they all 20 inch tall now, not 1 death,
and propper healthy

HERBAL ADDICT said:

i didnt say move the seed! just loosen its covering,, did that to my current grow and they all 20 inch tall now, not 1 death,
and propper healthy

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I didn't even see your reply Herbal....I was just giving O my experience with trying to look at the seed. I didn't know what I was doing in my grow, so I was probably too rough.

sweet m8, obviously lots of people say dont touch the soil and let the seed do its thing but some just dont have strength to push threw ,specially if you have waterd quite a few times since planting seed the soil above can become quite compact,
i dont do the usuall where u burry it about 1/4inch deep,

i fill my pots and leave it loose ,
never firm it down
place the seed on top ov the loose soil with the first little tap root pointing into the soil
then i sprinkle i fine thin layer ov soil (like 2mm) over and around the seed
give it a good spray instead of poured water as poured water will add weight to the soil
then i totally seal the top of the pot with cling film (wich acts like a mini greenhouse) so that the soil doesnt dry out,
and tadaa they all sprout with in 1/3 days
once they get clost to the cling film i remove it,

seedlings start off good in a propogater but all i do is put a small 20ltr square fishtank over my seedlings for a week ,
about 15 inch from light, and spray the inside of the tank with a little water every 1 or 2 days to keep it humid ,
and afta a week they get the full beam with tank removed, lol

just an idea 4 u ppl,

i do it and aint lost a seedling, and aint had any not sprout, they all do sweeet

yeldarb thank you for your input! It's good to have you along. See below for my response to both you and HERBAL ADDICT. Also, your handle, is it from a) "noop yeldarb" from starwars b) Obama's ability to outperform polls when actual votes occur (the reverse bradley effect) or is it c) just bradley spelled backwards? Inquiring minds want to know!

Really? - If I recall correctly, Dr. Bud used verm and perl + nutes. I have a big bag of MG potting soil, and despite the reports of poor yields with MG, I don't want to spend money on nutes when I've already got a nutrient rich soil. I'll take your advice, though, when it comes time to transplant, and mix in a bit more perlite to improve drainage. Thanks!

HERBAL ADDICT and yeldarb, I love that a couple of experts are debating aspects of my little grow project! I think I will sneak a peek at my seeds underneath the peat, partly to satisfy my curiosity, and partly because, HERBAL, I know what you mean about the water adding weight to the soil. Even though I just sprinkle a teaspoon or so, it really seems to thicken up the peat on top of the seed, and probably buries it a little deeper. So I'm gonna GENTLY uncover the seeds, then barely cover them back over with peat. HERBAL, you mentioned putting your seeds into soil...what soil mix/nutes do you use to get your seedlings going? Also, what exactly do you mean by a "propagator"? [ <= me ]

Question: I currently have 3 x 42W 2700K CFLs positioned 3-5" away from my jiffy-7 peat pellets, on 24/0. Is this good/bad?

Suggestions? I'm gonna have to make some kind of enclosure to house bonsai mothers, fathers, a cloner, and a flowering area. I'd like to do this as frugally as I can, with CFLs, using SOG for flowering, and with a DIY carbon filter attached to fan-ventilation. I've looked over many plans, but do my readers have any personal experiences to share?

BTW I put the rest of my bagseed (20+ beans) into a wet paper towel to germinate. Figure I may as well, since they were basically free, and I'll have a larger sample size to find females and good phenotypes. Some of the seeds are brown, but some look like lizard skin, light green, with tiny dark green speckles and brown/green stripes. The person who gave them to me said that they're a fast-growing jamaican strain that may reach 6' if allowed to grow completely. Anyone have any idea what strain this may be?

Browns:


Lizards


Thanks to everyone for watching and commenting! Now go

just plain ,un fertilized seedling and cuttings soil and mix some un fertilized perlite in, even unfertilized soil is still fertile enough to grow a seedling for weeks, i use that soil and perlite my whole grow, just soil and perlite, start with my nutes at 25% once the plant allready has about 4 setts of leafs, now just feed em 2 times a week with a 1part nute, simple as that man

i feed it

it grows

i use stuff called bio canna vega and then organic iguana juice bloom and bobs yr uncle, budz budz budz

and u still got the rong colour light for veg/seedlings . and a propgation tank is something u start seedlings off in