Fixing to Grow 60 Day Wonder White Dwarf Auto and Auto Fuel

GMatic #1 was chopped today. I took off all the big colas and left the smaller ones to cook for a few more days. They don't look any less done but I want to do the experiment. I guestimate that I have at least 2 oz dry weight in the colas I cut. But it's been a long time since I looked at fresh dope. The MOM stuff I've been buying is usually pressed a bit for mailing.

I can't wait to smoke this shit. It's going to be hard not to smoke her up before she is cured. I really wanted more last night!

I will post pix of the manicured colas in a day or so.

hey, glad to see you are getting close to harvest, that first gmatic looks like its gonna be some good bud....even better once you dry it up and cure it out ya know?

Thanks Jesus.

GMatic #1 has been drying for three days and goes into curing jars today.

GMatic #2 gets the chop in about a week.

The White Dwarf is in midflower. I guess at least a month.

Olive Oil is flowering but still hasn't set any real buds. She's a total cock teaser. I might put her in a dark closet for 48hrs again. They say you can do this twice to a plant but more risks shocking her into becoming a hermie.

hows the ladys doing? and i know your pain i tryed a grow log and ended up not finshing cuz of all the time to post pix and not getting feed back u feel like your talking to air lol. well u are doing great with updates and pix hope to see what u get at harvest!!

Let us get some pics of those drying nugs mang^^

Also how is that Rocket fuel??

@morphus:

Thanks for the company

I have been working on my journal. I will transfer the relevant posts from this log to the journal so I have all my grows logged there. But I will keep this thread going until all are harvested.

Mostly doing good. I harvested about 2/3rd of GMatic#1 rightr on the 60day mark. It's drying in paper bags right now. The rest will be cut on Wed. Shes sitting in a dark closet right now and not getting any water. A quick dry test smoke of the first cut was very promising. But the remaining buds have really swollen in the 10days since the others were cut. So I think 60days was too early. Not bad but not optimal. Smoke test will tell. I plan to harvest her sister the same way, in two rounds, but I will let her go further before the first cut.

The bad news is both GMs developed a Cal Mag deficiencey and I let it go too far. More on this later.

The White Dwarf is now twice as big as the Gmatics with buds all over but nothing filling in yet. I will post pix soon.

Olive Oil is definitely flowering but not moving very fast.


So in very late flowering, both Gmatics started yellowing their leaves. At first I thought this was just part of the finishing process but it spread very rapidly and quickly became extensive. It didnt start with the upper or lower leaves, just randomly all over the plant.



There was a brief discussion at https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/456478-plant-trouble.html#post6119701

Epsom salts seemed to have stopped it but the damages leaves are not getting better. I've never encountered this kind of deficiency before. Took me by surprise and moved very quickly. I will include epsom salts in my feeding schedule for all plants.

Pix of the plants later. Pix of the harvest when all is cut and manicured. I think my earlier estimates of weight were very optimistic. I don't have my eye dialed in for fresh bud

I love your journal zvuv, very informative and interesting, I appreciate all your hard work as I am prepping for my first indoor grow. The more I read in all these forum threads, the less I feel I know. I also am in need of meds in a timely fashion, would you use HPS thru entire process next time? Would you recommend the rocket fuel and white dwarf? I have those in my shopping cart and wondered if they were really worth the $.
Thanks for the journal, I enjow watching your grow and wish you much success...peace out
Mysunnyboy

@Philosophist:

Yeah, I will post pix of the GMatic nugz within the week when I have them all cut and manicured.

@mysunnyboy:

Thanks for your kind words.

I am growing Greenomatic x2 (Greenhouse), White Dwarf x 1 (Buddha ) and Oil (Autofem).

The Gmatics are finishing now. Based on the grow itself and the test smoke I def recommend this strain. Despite my best efforts, these girls grew like champs and came in at about 60 days from seed!! although a week or two longer is better you definitely can smoke them at 60 days . They are known to be modest yielders. Between 2 plants in 3 ga pots I expect 3-4 ozs. Perhaps not that much. But that's plenty of dope to keep me going till the next plant is ready for harvest. This is a very easy to grow, fast plant. IMO an idea choice for a first grow.

The White Dwarf is doing fine and looks like she will produce more than the two GMatics together but she is a month behind schedule and I don't know why. She too has been a robust easy grower. She faked me out at first. She was so small I thought she had some serious problem but she suddenly exploded and overtook her closet mates. This is exactly what the strain description predicted. I don't yet know what the smoke is like

At the moment I do not recommend the Auto Oil from Auto fem. Only one of the three seeds I planted made it and this plant is only just starting to flower. It will be six weeks till she is ready to harvest. In that time I could have grown a photoperiod indica, or even a fast finishing sativa hybrid. I wrote to Autofem and expressed my dissatisfaction. They said they would send me replacement seeds - if they do I will give them a try.

It's possible the Oil & the WD are suffering the effects of my inept cultivation. Others have grown these strains and had them finish on schedule. But I also know that autos are new and not all the strains that the breeders sell are reliable. A batch of seeds can yield a variety of phenotypes. From reading here and there, it seems there are many good auto strains that do finish on time and yield a great smoke.

From my experience with the Greenomatics so far I would strongly recommend a good dependable auto strain for a first grow. They are quick and easy. On your first grow there's a lot of balls to keep in the air. Not having to juggle with 12/12 helps.

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The more I read in all these forum threads, the less I feel I know. I also am in need of meds in a timely fashion, would you use HPS thru entire process next time?Mysunnyboy

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LOL! Sometimes I think reading RIU threads is a net loss. As you say, I seem to know less after reading them then I did before. I just wrote an entry in my journal describing how I deal with this.

The main thing is to try and decide whether the disagreement is about something critical or just about better and best. Generaly the more disagreement, the less it matters exactly how you do it. Once you have a couple of grows under your belt you will have a much better nose for this.

HPS. Until this last grow I had used a 600W HPS for everything. I got very nice harvests, even pulling a pound out of my cab in one of my early grows. MH lamps will also do a very good job throughout the whole grow. Switching lamps in mid grow is only about better and best.

I am now moving to cfls for my veg cab. The main reasons are convenience and curiosity. (I have a journal entry on this too)

If I could give advice to myself on my very first grow, I would say avoid fluorescents. I don't want to start any wars here, but it takes more knowledge and more skills to use them well, especially for flowering. MH & HPS will just grow dope. They grow lots of dope even if you don't get it quite right. Nor are cfls any cheaper than HID setups by the time you are done with buying mulitiple bulbs all the bits and pieces.

Good luck with your grow and let us know how it progresses.

I def think autos are a good choice for a first grow, especially if you want something soon. Just check out the strains carefuly. Find some grow threads for the strains you have in mind. uh... well ... since you are reading this thread I guess you did just that!

While waiting for my harvest, I have been buying from MOMs. If you need some reliable addresses, PM me.

Update:

Before I get started I have to vent: I fucking hate fucking RIU's fucking picture fucking editor!!! It just fucking drops them anywhere it fucking pleases regardless of the fucking cursor position and then you have to fuck about with a fucking 2" editing view to fucking reposition them!!!

Better. Tx for bearing with me

GMatic #1 is in mid harvest. I took most of her on 17th. Sun I put her in a dark (not light proof closet) and have given her no water in prep for the chop. Only now are her leaves starting to curl from dryness.

This is what's left of her


In the days since I chopped her, the buds on the remaining colas have really swollen up. Im interested to see what the smoke difference is. Heavier buds does not necessarily mean more trichs.

Here is a cola that is still on the plant:




The picture of the cola on the left shows what looks like a silk thread or insect webbing. I freaked out when I first saw this. Not spider mites! Nooo....! Not now! Please! Careful examination under the microscope showed the fiber had a brindled pattern which was an exactly match to my little long haired calico. Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. Everything!

Here is Moteq inspecting my work:




GMatic #2 is almost ready



On both GMatics you can see the extensive yellowing of the leaves that I talked about previously.

This is a cola from GMatic#2





She's about the same maturity as the first cutting that I took off GMatic #1. I think the picture shows the that the buds havent fully swollen.



This is the White Dwarf



She is now much bigger than her closet mates and starting to fill in. I expect she will yield more than both the GMatics put together. I need to do some LST on her to expose some lower budsites.

Finaly, Olive Oil (aka The Professional Virgin )



She is starting to set buds. She's been doing that for weeks now. A little teasing heightens the anticipation but this has gone on longer than mortal flesh can bear. She's going in the closet for 48hrs of dark again. As soon as White Dwarf finishes - perhaps 4wks? - my photoperiod plants go in the cab and we switch to 12/12. This bitch cost me over $40 (it took three Oil seeds to get this one plant) Right now it just frustrating but she goes in the trash as soon as a photo plant needs her spot.

Going over to my gf's house to manicure the stuff I cut from GMatic #1. I will take some pix.

Update from Autofem

I complained to Autofem about my experience with their oil seeds. This is the latest email exchange:

Hi Zvuv:

We will send you the seeds about next week.

Regards.

Autofem Seeds.


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Hi Luis,

Just wondering if you had made a decision about this case?

zvuv

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If they send me the seeds I will have to plant one or two and write a review.

Thanks for the gab back at me vzuz, I do enjoy watching your grow and your opinion is very much appreciated. I had to make a decision yesterday to go ahead and try some cfls due to monetary constraints, my gf said "go ahead, I trust you know what you're doing" however she said don't spend alot of money until you get the process right, which I agree with, she's a reasonable woman

Anyway...I am building veg station in a spare closet now and went with 6 45watt cfls for the veg, I hope I can upgrade before flowering but if not I definitely will by the next grow. My bag seeds have just started cracking and sinking so I am going to start those bad girls tonight.

And yes, lol I do actually have a seed wish list going, it's of course a matter of preference and I think everyone has their own opinion as to what works best for them and their situation. I do think we are on the same page with our choices and it's nice to hear it straight from you how you like your girls and how they worked for you.

Here's is my little outside girl, 1st ever attempt at growing ANYTHING, honestly I do not have much of a green thumb but let's hope we can overcome that

That's great! It grew, it was green and it made bud! That's the basics, the rest is just refinement. Check out the grow logs. A lot of first timers lose their plants!

I'm new to CFLs. I've just set up a little veg cab with CFLs. (see the entry in my journal ). There's a lot to be said for them. You can get started for under $20. They are very versatile. You can have one 13@ light here over a seedling and a rack of hot lamps over there on the mature plants. You can easily pick and mix the spectrums/spectra. People get very good results with them. I think they are great for a veg cab.

But from what I understand, it's difficult to get yields that compare to HID lights. Can be done but it takes skill. Also by the time you have enough CFL muscle for flowering you could have bought a 400W MH for about what you spent. A 400W MH will just grow a nice yield. A little more a little less depending on your skill but it's hard not to end up with a nice stash. I wouldn't use CFLs for flowering but, plenty of people do with good results and, as you said, everyone does it his way. Part of the enjoyment of growing is to try out your own ideas.

PS Cut down GMatic #1 today and manicured it. I will post pix of the complete harvest tomorrow.

UPDATE: Greenomatic #1 Completely Harvested.


I chopped the rest of GMatic #1 yesterday. In the first cutting at 60days from seed, I left all the lower small colas. In the intervening week, the remaining colas really increased their size. I had left about 1/3 of the total bud on the plant, when I cut it yesterday, what I harvested was equal to the first cut! Also the buds themselves swole up considerably. I haven't test smoked the second cutting. There's a lot more amber on it. The high from the first harvest is very very nice.

I prefer to wait till the weed has dried before manicuring but I wanted to show a family portrait with everyone together.

The picture is everything I got off GMatic #1 (Pony included for scale). The fresh cut bud is on the right.



Not an impressive yield for a 3 ga pot under 600W but a decent amount. What do you guys guess as the dry weight? I would say 1.5 - 2 oz but I am not dialed in for homegrown which is always bulkier than the stuff I get mail order. The dried stuff went into 1/2 pint mason jars for curing. If I were to put it all into jars, green & dry and pack it fairly tight, I would have about 1.5 pints of bud.

About an hour after this photo the damn horse puked and passed out on the couch. I told him "Just eat a little bit and wait 30 mins to see how stoned you get". Would he listen??

We smoked some of the trim from dry stuff. It was harsh but not terrible. Reminded me of smoking weed in the 60's. 'mmmmphmmm gonna.....hold...it... in.... koff...gotta hold it....Koff...Koff....KoffKoff...KOFFKOFFKOFF!"

But, the high was just as I remembered fro the early test smoke, wonderful. I think this is as nice a high as anything I can remember smoking. It's a classic Indica high. It just feels good to have a body. Breathing feels good. Moving feels good. Water tastes delicious.

One quality I really like is that it is very potent without a 'kick in the head'. Many potent strains give you initial kick which leaves you kind of stunned, the 'one hit quit' effect and then after that the high itself comes on. This bud is like floating on a rising tide. You don't notice you are being gently lifted by the swell but suddenly you realize you are pretty damn stoned! (you can tell from the florid prose that I am still a bit stoned.) There was no sleepiness or sluggishness at all. Doing stuff was fun. The high lasts for hours and does not deteriorate into sleepiness or couchlock.

I am very very impressed with this strain. It just popped out of the ground, grew for two months and yielded some really nice dope. Almost a no brainer. The only drawback is that this is strain is known to produce modest yields. But my main interest is quality of high. I am going to grow this again and fairly soon!

I haven't test smoked the 2nd cutting yet. That may be quite different. In a few days.

Normaly I would wait on final evaluation till the test smoke but this girl is already a winner!

Despite the limitations of her genetics, I think she could have yielded more with better cultivation. I'll talk about this in a later post.

All in all, this plant was a nice success. The high far surpassed my expectations. I went into this thinking that autos are mediocre weed. Something you grow because you are in a hurry. Not so!

Beautiful Zvuv, absolutely beautiful...you have convinced me, I will gladly bow to anyone that can grow bud the size of a pony

I'm not sure how to give you the "+rep" thing but I surely would if I knew how, feel free to tell me that secret as well if you want LOL

I started a journal yesterday, I am all for keeping logs, journals, documenting...I think will help quite alot. I made one entry up of questions that I have just to remind myself to check on these issues, I think I may be getting CRS disease

Thank you sunnyboy. It's nice to be noticed. Overall the grow has has some fuckups but this success is nice.

To +rep someone, look to the bottom left of the post, under the avatar for a six pointed star. I don't know that anyone pays attention to a user's rep. It seems to be used as a gesture of appreciation. Thank you.

The root of the matter:

I pulled the roots of GMatic #1 and looked at them closely. I was quite surprised at what I found.


The headless corps of GMatic #1

I wrote a more detailed discussion of this picture in my journal: The Root of the Matter

In short, I think this plant suffered from chronic overwatering and her roots never grew properly. Over half the soil was never penetrated by roots. Perhaps if she had been watered properly, she might have doubled the yield?

I've come to realize that I have had an overwatering problem in this grow. It's a noob mistake. I didn't ever have this problem when I was growing before. I seem to have forgotten more than I thought.

I had expected more comments about my little harvest. Perhaps it's too wimpy and people are politely ignoring it.

In the meantime I have new problems:









White Dwarf who has been flowering like gangbusters has suddenly started showing yellowing droopy leaves! The yellowing starts at the veins and spreads out. This is *exactly* what happened to the two GMatics in their last week of flowering but with this girl it's quite a bit earlier. Olive Oil too is showing early symptoms of the same problem. She's a little dry in the pix but the fading leaves are limper than the others.

After thinking about this, I've decided the problem is not essentialy a deficiency issue. It's a root issue! The plants are root bound!

This would explain why it happens in mid/late flowering. The plant does fine with the pot it's in until the heavy demands of flowering outstrip the root system's ability to support its demands. When that happens all sorts of deficiency symptoms might show but it's essentialy a delivery system problem not an inventory problem.

wow, the sight of that scares the shit out of me..on a good note i can tell u exactly what went wrong. your pots are too small and your plants are too big. your plants are root bound in other words. week 4-5 is when the growth begins and really kicks in about 5-6. you have tiny roots trying to feed a big plants, and the nail in the coffin is the heat, 82 is pushing it. i just transplanted some plants that got to big for their 3 litter pots, they started getting yellow because they didnt have enough roots structure to intake the proper amount fo nutrients in my 3 footers, the toher plants were fine, due to the, being 1/2-1 foot smaller.

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I slipped the pot off White Dwarf and found exactly the same fine brown root mesh that I did with the GMatic that I just harvested (see my journal entryRoot of the Matter). If WD's roots look like the GMatics inside the ball, then this plant is out of pot too (ha ha ).

So I decided to transplant. Transplanting is not desireable during flowering but then neither is cutting yourself with a knife butr sometimes surgery is the best option. I took an empty 5ga bucket and drilled it full of holes to make it into an 'airy pot' and carefully transplanted her.

I've transplanted several times during flower, specifically to get them in a bigger pot. Everyone talks about transplanting stress....I don't get it. I never see it when I move mine. The trick is to keep the dirt from the previous pot untouched. I get my bigger pot, take a pot the size of the first pot and fill the bigger pot with soil, using the empty pot as a size indicator for the new hole.

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If she does ok, and I expect she will, I'll do the same for Olive Oil in a day or two.

From reading the plant problem threads in RIU, I see lot of this yellowing leaves during late flowering. I wonder if this problem isn't more common than people think.

Both the WD & Oil are now transplanted into 5ga buckets. I did the transplants very carefuly and they seemed to suffer no shock. Still actively growing. The buckets are riddled with 1/2" holes. I hope this helps with the root structure.


I cut GMatic #2 today. Here she is roughly trimmed. One nug is missing. The Quality Assurance Dept took it.

Roughly manicured green bud.



Trim & sticky scissors. (This stuff is very strong. Been smoking the trim from GMatic #1)


Bag o' Leaves

oww man that harvest looks sweet and green man..... . how is the smoke from it??

I have been considering Autoflowers for a few weeks, would you recommend them??
I hear the smoke isnt as strong as reg strains that true?