Flavors n Taste....

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Gumdrawp

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I am aware of what you are saying.

2 cuttings from the same plant can grow differently corn variety of reasons in the same system even.

What I am saying is the Growers I am challenging are in no way in control of their Grows to that degree and are merely hobbiests quoting blogs and even their own inconclusive side by sides.

So if they are going to pretend to teach. I ask for legitimate info. Not the word of a permanent noob.

I spent months on riddlers site. It is as I describe. And they all blindly support rm3 even when they don’t agree or believe him. It is his personal fraternity. And he is a con man. One that has to pick on noobs to feed his ego as professionals think he is a goof.

Our blind testing against rm3 strains against ch9 strains was 100% conclusive. The ch9 properly grown had every effect and potency that rm3 claims his is the best at. And his offered regular snowboarding locals at copper mountain a light buzz with good flavor. No other comments and no one wanted more.

Here in Michigan same results with another Riddler growing rm3 crap.

If it was better or even good I would put more into their claims. But they are not showing results from their claims.

And at my skill level. I try to get a plant to reach its potential by simply keeping a balance of diverse forms of nutrients as available to the plants as I can. And focus on environmental stability and light distance.

They say to do things like add potassium sulfate because it builds trichs.

But when I tried it it burned my plants as they had plenty of potassium and sulfer already.

The focus on sulfer especially as it is in my well, soil and nutes already is plain bad advice.

They don’t know to even ask the right questions because they still grow with trial and error.

I’m not even sure Dr. Who is who he says he is because of the rediculous inconsistency of his info and sources and made up elite strains he supposedly holds. Lol.
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Not trying to dog you here but if you added nutrients you already know you had adequate amounts of, I would think burning your plants is on you.

At this point both of you kind of sound like idiots, medgrower your experience with those particular nutrients may have been shit, if they aren't available in the soil already they will do as Dr who claims. They're already doing what they do for you adding more isn't going to make it better.

From what i can tell both of you are great growers, and very knowledgeable people. Being bitter towards each other isn't going to get you anywhere.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Gumdrawp said:
Not trying to dog you here but if you added nutrients you already know you had adequate amounts of, I would think burning your plants is on you.

At this point both of you kind of sound like idiots, medgrower your experience with those particular nutrients may have been shit, if they aren't available in the soil already they will do as Dr who claims. They're already doing what they do for you adding more isn't going to make it better.

From what i can tell both of you are great growers, and very knowledgeable people. Being bitter towards each other isn't going to get you anywhere.
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You have good points. I hear you.

I tested the stuff because I was asked too despite my arguing the same thing you just wrote. Asked to by a whole bunch of people on the other forum. They insisted it would grow more trichs. They all knew my medium and nutes. I only use base nutes anyway.

It overloaded the roots pretty quickly. I leached the pots and continued flowering.

I just want to see legitimate info when someone makes a definitive claim. And in this case there isn’t much out there.

Dr. Who just told me to try it despite knowing what I Grow in and with too.

Should I not challenge this bad advice on an open grow forum?
 
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Gumdrawp

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MichiganMedGrower said:
You have good points. I hear you.

I tested the stuff because I was asked too despite my arguing the same thing you just wrote. Asked to by a whole bunch of people on the other forum. They insisted it would grow more trichs. They all knew my medium and nutes. I only use base nutes anyway.

It overloaded the roots pretty quickly. I leached the pots and continued flowering.

I just want to see legitimate info when someone makes a definitive claim. And in this case there isn’t much out there.

Dr. Who just told me to try it despite knowing what I Grow in and with too.

Should I not challenge this bad advice on an open grow forum?
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If he knew, then he was in the wrong too. And there's nothing wrong with challenging a person's claims, just better ways to word things :-).
 
Tankado78

Tankado78

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Serva said:
By abscense of O2 the sugar in the plant material (which makes dark ash, and a harsh taste) will be processed by bacteria into alcohol, that‘s called fermentation. Sometimes you need to open the jars, for some air exchange, to keep things going. You’ll find proper tutorials here about curing, and you could google BOVEDA, some humidity controlling packs. I use them, because it‘s easy and safe, though I think they reduce the scent (this is a personal opinion for sure!).
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Kool n thank you @Serva...
I’ve also seen a few growers here talk about using the BOVEDA packs, but obviously never tried them. As of now, Im Just popping open the jar 2-3 times a day for a hr or so. Funny you mentioned the air exchange, cause I’ve been learning a lot about that with growing shrooms. Lol. So, it’s just a couple of pieces of bud I’m trying to cure at the moment, cause I don’t feel the actual plant is ready to be harvested. Trichs are about 30% cloudy on the plant in question.
Still all in all, I appreciate the advice n techniques you have shared. I believe in or trust the advice of those more experienced than I, so all info that has been shared with me will not fall on deaf ears, so once again, Thankx a million.
 
Tankado78

Tankado78

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Hello everyone.... Again! Lol
Ok, I’ve been reading the post going back n forth btwn the Dr. n Michigan n although I don’t know where it all began, I do believe that I can ask you both to chill! Like everything else in life, there will always be disagreements. Is it safe 2 say that you guys will never agree, so y’all can agree to disagree? More times than not, when I see anyone on these forums having very disagreeable debates, I often wonder where did the love go? Not trying to be funny, but I’m soon turning 40 n what I was always taught was that cannabis was all about peace n love!
Still, I also know how us as human beings are, especially those of us with knowledge on certain subjects or experiences on certain subjects, the person will always feel that their knowledge, techniques, n styles are the best, since it’s been working for them for years. With that being said, in my opinion, it seems like you both have vast knowledge on many of the same topics, but vary in the techniques being used. I personally wouldn’t flat out attack anyone’s knowledge, cause as I said, it’s what works n having been working for them flawlessly n for years! Again, with all of this being said n thrown about, is there anyway for you guys to bury the hatchet so 2 speak? Arguing has always made me feel uneasy, especially on a forum that’s suppose to be “about each one, teach one” in my eyes. I’m not taking anyone’s side cause like I said, I don’t know where n when it all started, but it seems to be ongoing. I hope you guys find a way to let bygones be bygones, n to love n let live... the saying goes for comments as well. I hope y’all can find a resolution to your problems n or issues. My apologies for butting in n adding my 2 cents, but I feel if my dumb ass didn’t ask a dumb question, none of this would be going on or at least not at this time. Thankx 4 listening... always!
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Dr. Who just told me to try it despite knowing what I Grow in and with too.
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I'm not going back to comment on our pissing match. Including your responce's in this thread. We've both said volumes on basically how we feel about each other......I'm done and any further :spew:is idiotic....

I contend that you can employ what I do in basically any growing style. "Trying it" isn't truly out of the question. It's simply choice.

I respect your grows! I respect your choice of not. Please, do what works for you. But don't tell me I'm out right wrong. I've never had a problem running them as far as any root or plant problem.....Maybe you were given poor use rates, vs environment and pot size's....I'll accept you had a problem but, feel that that problem could be solved, and include the use of them.
That returns us to choice again. Please, do what you feel is right for you.....But, simply because you had a problem on a single try. Doesn't mean I'm wrong.....

The idea of what I speak goes right along with chemical manipulation of plants to increase development certain chemical compounds in plants. I was basically schooled in it while running the Yew farm. It was employed to increase the taxol production in plants. This is also used to increase those "fruit esters" for food flavoring...... I don't think that connecting the dots to cannabis is a far stretch...

@odin is exactly correct. It (MgSO4) will NOT create a bowl of berries and K2SO4 will not create a bowl lemons...... They do increase the lean in that direction. Even when I run a balanced amount of each. The ending harvest of the chemdog (progressive harvesting) has a distinct berry note (and taste). The first, and major harvest is quite normal, rather lemony. I'm more interested in why this happens then that it does but, Patients go bonkers for that later harvest.

As far as strains in my stable, and or the extended stable (by partnership). I do have everything I've claimed. Not to mention that the pic's I've posted are all my grow.
SO THEN,,,,
We're basically in the same area. I'll extend a personal invitation to visit. We could compare jars if you like.... Or, You can take a personal invitation to this years Pig Roast and harvest fest.....You have the first (and it's REAL) invitation......I really don't have a problem with extending the hand of reconciliation. Not to mention, you can then see the truth first hand.

I'm letting the "hate" go. What you do is your choice but, how about we refrain from sharing our displeasure with each other in this public forum.

I feel no need to defend myself with "bean" pics. BUT, if it will help you end this crap between us.......

Fair enough?

Please understand that we both can be ..... blunt in our posting. I post information, expound on others. I do not intend offence.

Unless of course someone posts shit about pissjugs filled with cat piss used to "flavor" your crop as it grows.....This is the world of Mountain Dew, cool aid and spooging on your buds!
Total BS gets blasted
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MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Tankado78 said:
Hello everyone.... Again! Lol
Ok, I’ve been reading the post going back n forth btwn the Dr. n Michigan n although I don’t know where it all began, I do believe that I can ask you both to chill! Like everything else in life, there will always be disagreements. Is it safe 2 say that you guys will never agree, so y’all can agree to disagree? More times than not, when I see anyone on these forums having very disagreeable debates, I often wonder where did the love go? Not trying to be funny, but I’m soon turning 40 n what I was always taught was that cannabis was all about peace n love!
Still, I also know how us as human beings are, especially those of us with knowledge on certain subjects or experiences on certain subjects, the person will always feel that their knowledge, techniques, n styles are the best, since it’s been working for them for years. With that being said, in my opinion, it seems like you both have vast knowledge on many of the same topics, but vary in the techniques being used. I personally wouldn’t flat out attack anyone’s knowledge, cause as I said, it’s what works n having been working for them flawlessly n for years! Again, with all of this being said n thrown about, is there anyway for you guys to bury the hatchet so 2 speak? Arguing has always made me feel uneasy, especially on a forum that’s suppose to be “about each one, teach one” in my eyes. I’m not taking anyone’s side cause like I said, I don’t know where n when it all started, but it seems to be ongoing. I hope you guys find a way to let bygones be bygones, n to love n let live... the saying goes for comments as well. I hope y’all can find a resolution to your problems n or issues. My apologies for butting in n adding my 2 cents, but I feel if my dumb ass didn’t ask a dumb question, none of this would be going on or at least not at this time. Thankx 4 listening... always!
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Just for the record. In all of the arguments with “wishes he was really a doctor of something” Who and RM3 I never once said me or my methods or weed are the best.

But they do constantly.

They are frauds. They are lying about themselves and their pot.

And the pretend science they keep quoting and pretend experience is more obvious every post.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

Well-Known Member
Dr. Who said:
I'm not going back to comment on our pissing match. Including your responce's in this thread. We've both said volumes on basically how we feel about each other......I'm done and any further :spew:is idiotic....

I contend that you can employ what I do in basically any growing style. "Trying it" isn't truly out of the question. It's simply choice.

I respect your grows! I respect your choice of not. Please, do what works for you. But don't tell me I'm out right wrong. I've never had a problem running them as far as any root or plant problem.....Maybe you were given poor use rates, vs environment and pot size's....I'll accept you had a problem but, feel that that problem could be solved, and include the use of them.
That returns us to choice again. Please, do what you feel is right for you.....But, simply because you had a problem on a single try. Doesn't mean I'm wrong.....

The idea of what I speak goes right along with chemical manipulation of plants to increase development certain chemical compounds in plants. I was basically schooled in it while running the Yew farm. It was employed to increase the taxol production in plants. This is also used to increase those "fruit esters" for food flavoring...... I don't think that connecting the dots to cannabis is a far stretch...

@odin is exactly correct. It (MgSO4) will NOT create a bowl of berries and K2SO4 will not create a bowl lemons...... They do increase the lean in that direction. Even when I run a balanced amount of each. The ending harvest of the chemdog (progressive harvesting) has a distinct berry note (and taste). The first, and major harvest is quite normal, rather lemony. I'm more interested in why this happens then that it does but, Patients go bonkers for that later harvest.

As far as strains in my stable, and or the extended stable (by partnership). I do have everything I've claimed. Not to mention that the pic's I've posted are all my grow.
SO THEN,,,,
We're basically in the same area. I'll extend a personal invitation to visit. We could compare jars if you like.... Or, You can take a personal invitation to this years Pig Roast and harvest fest.....You have the first (and it's REAL) invitation......I really don't have a problem with extending the hand of reconciliation. Not to mention, you can then see the truth first hand.

I'm letting the "hate" go. What you do is your choice but, how about we refrain from sharing our displeasure with each other in this public forum.

I feel no need to defend myself with "bean" pics. BUT, if it will help you end this crap between us.......

Fair enough?

Please understand that we both can be ..... blunt in our posting. I post information, expound on others. I do not intend offence.

Unless of course someone posts shit about pissjugs filled with cat piss used to "flavor" your crop as it grows.....This is the world of Mountain Dew, cool aid and spooging on your buds!
Total BS gets blasted
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Yes the BS gets blasted.

You are still backtalking.

You told me to add potassium and sulfer to my loaded medium, nutes and water.


And that it would make my Diesel more berry tasting.

Lol.


Do you even know a real Greenhouse manager?
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Just for the record. In all of the arguments with “wishes he was really a doctor of something” Who and RM3 I never once said me or my methods or weed are the best.

But they do constantly.

They are frauds. They are lying about themselves and their pot.

And the pretend science they keep quoting and pretend experience is more obvious every post.
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MichiganMedGrower said:
Yes the BS gets blasted.

You are still backtalking.

You told me to add potassium and sulfer to my loaded medium, nutes and water.


And that it would make my Diesel more berry tasting.

Lol.


Do you even know a real Greenhouse manager?
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And on it goes! I'm not taking the bait.

You define yourself by your actions.

I'm done......
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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A fully expressed plant will report a more complex terpene profile compared to to an underfed under expressed one.
plants in nature are not often provided with every needed resource as mentioned
like grow rooms compared to the next. This accounts for the vast differences in
flavors and tastes between reports, grows, add this or that, use this nutrient or that one, feed this long or not,
ferment this long and this way or a little more- or not at all- fermentation influences terpene profiles for example.

No growing, feeding or lighting standards are universally employed and everyone will likely have a different experience
than the next. The same can be found with smoke reports- all of these factors will play as well as personal health.
The key is to gain positive repeatable experiences in your own space with your own habits, perhaps disregarding the suggestions of others. No matter what the ends are likely some will be satisfied and others not so much, and thats not surprising at all.

After controlling my spaces NO good hearted suggestions of any additive, habit change, lighting change, temperature change, drying technique, etc has ever given me a positive response. I wouldnt expect my individual habits to be successfully adopted in another room without other considerations.

my2c
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr. Who said:
And on it goes! I'm not taking the bait.

You define yourself by your actions.

I'm done......
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You were done the first time you made the same claims as rm3. Shows what you really know about plants. Anyone can read hydro store mags and online blogs and repeat them.

Seems you only read his threads.

You never proved anything you have said. Or even that the garden and plants you show are yours.

It is obvious to any experienced grower. Only noobs think you know what you are talking about.


Last time you failed to prove anything I was asked to stop beating you up right in the thread because another grower is entertained by your funny posts. He said let you fantasize all you want.

You will anyway. But I put a lot of work into this and don’t like frauds.

You aren’t done though. You are just beat.
 
AnimalMother1974

AnimalMother1974

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This potassium sulfate can raise potency and size of flowers but it may or may not alter the flavor to citrus depending on your enviroment/other nutes/strain/etc? My concern isnt really flavors, just yield size
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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Not to be an instigator but I would like to have a link or at least the name and author of any research suggesting that mag sulf or poss mag will effect flavors in cannabis. I've never heard that as I don't read High Times but if there is an actual scholarly article then I'd like to check that out.

I mean if you're going to reference it then you should be able to cite it properly.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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thenotsoesoteric said:
Not to be an instigator but I would like to have a link or at least the name and author of any research suggesting that mag sulf or poss mag will effect flavors in cannabis. I've never heard that as I don't read High Times but if there is an actual scholarly article then I'd like to check that out.

I mean if you're going to reference it then you should be able to cite it properly.
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Good point. I have asked Dr. Who to provide this many times. I’m a pretty good researcher. There is no info showing this made up crap out there.

Tomatoes need more calcium and sulfer. Tomatoes.

In fact. Adding extra magnesium or sulfer during ripening can help block the roots from uptake. Too much sulfer will lock out other nutrients pretty quickly. Too much mag ruins the cation exchange of the soil and blocks calcium then phosphorous.

None of which is good for blooming flowers. ;-)
 
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Squabblerz

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Good point. I have asked Dr. Who to provide this many times. I’m a pretty good researcher. There is no info showing this made up crap out there.

Tomatoes need more calcium and sulfer. Tomatoes.

In fact. Adding extra magnesium or sulfer during ripening can help block the roots from uptake. Too much sulfer will lock out other nutrients pretty quickly. Too much mag ruins the cation exchange of the soil and blocks calcium then phosphorous.

None of which is good for blooming flowers. ;-)
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You're hella wrong. Magnesium sulfate helps ripen plants.
 
thump easy

thump easy

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I been using terpinator for terpines and snow storm and carbs and silica 2 types the chains molicule chains are different also few different types of patasium constantly changing the formula molicule in every feeding but the same formula in other words silica of one in one feeding and switching the silica of another brand one up takes emidiatly the other has to be broken down with other nutients or teas same through kinda like steriods shoking and changing kinda like test there 3 different testosterone it's just me I think like this but the yield and smell are there... no special cure check trycomes for ripenes a dark room not to dry no light and it does it's thing. There are don't just don't try to rush it.. and base but it's lenghthy but it's one regimen yet substituting the molicule same moliculeo but different in it's form in every feeding
 
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Squabblerz

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thump easy said:
I been using terpinator for terpines and snow storm and carbs and silica 2 types the chains molicule chains are different also few different types of patasium constantly changing the formula molicule in every feeding but the same formula in other words silica of one in one feeding and switching the silica of another brand one up takes emidiatly the other has to be broken down with other nutients or teas same through kinda like steriods shoking and changing kinda like test there 3 different testosterone it's just me I think like this but the yield and smell are there no special cure check trycomes for ripenes a dark room not to dry no light and it does it's thing. There are don't just don't try to rush it..
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terpinator is epsom salt
 
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