Flavors n Taste....

Odin*

Odin*

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GreenHighlander said:
Again I agree. I just personally feel one of my girls knows better then I do what she needs.
There is no "super bomb sticky" that can be forced on a cannabis plant. Yes they certainly do differ in uptake and output but there is no magic secret .
Cannabis was "super bomb sticky" before we came along, and she will be "super bomb sticky" long after we are gone.
Nowadays I view my cannabis much like I do my vegetables, fruit trees, beef, pork, chicken, pond full of trout.
The food science, has actually proven organic contain higher nutrients then conventional industrial farming. The proof to me is in the science and the taste.
The science is not yet there in regards to cannabis but the difference I have noticed in my medicine between "feed the soil grown" and "feed the plant from a bottle grown" is not even comparable. I believe we will see science is also eventually going to back up the nutrient content (cannabinoids/turpines, etc) in cannabis just like it has in other plants.
I know based on my own experience and a few others I know , this sure seems to be the case.
Cheers :)
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I do agree on the “organics”. Natural medium and amendments, but teas/organic compounds would have to be introduced at the right amounts and times to achieve best results.
 
GreenHighlander

GreenHighlander

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Odin* said:
I do agree on the “organics”. Natural medium and amendments, but teas/organic compounds would have to be introduced at the right amounts and times to achieve best results.
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Quite probably. I know they are important, especially to get it all going. I have not yet experimented with teas with cannabis. I have with bio dynamic farming. That is actually something I am about to start with my girls. I can't see how it would hurt lol
For the first time in 20+ years of growing I am just growing for the best medicine.
After years of freaking over this level and that level, this PH and that PH, and this GPW vs that GPW, and this bottle and that bottle. I am actually just really enjoying growing. At the same time I am producing quality unlike anything I ever have before. I have absolutely destroyed the numbers I currently am pumping out. But the quality and shear enjoyment has been great. The numbers will come once I get the strains dialed in. But I will never even contemplate using a bottled nute again.
Goddamn I wish I could get my hands on some of the strains I ran with bottles lol
Cheers :)
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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GreenHighlander said:
Quite probably. I know they are important, especially to get it all going. I have not yet experimented with teas with cannabis. I have with bio dynamic farming. That is actually something I am about to start with my girls. I can't see how it would hurt lol
For the first time in 20+ years of growing I am just growing for the best medicine.
After years of freaking over this level and that level, this PH and that PH, and this GPW vs that GPW, and this bottle and that bottle. I am actually just really enjoying growing. At the same time I am producing quality unlike anything I ever have before. I have absolutely destroyed the numbers I currently am pumping out. But the quality and shear enjoyment has been great. The numbers will come once I get the strains dialed in. But I will never even contemplate using a bottled nute again.
Goddamn I wish I could get my hands on some of the strains I ran with bottles lol
Cheers :)
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I believe a hybrid grow with a good organic base and some input and supplemental complete fertilizer used properly is the best current way to get the most potential from the plants.
 
Odin*

Odin*

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GreenHighlander said:
Again I agree. I just personally feel one of my girls knows better then I do what she needs.
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Unfortunately, this isn’t true. If it were, you could just load the soil with amendments to last a liftetime, and the plant’s would “pick and choose”, only taking in what is needed. Not the case, otherwise we wouldn’t have to consider “nute burn”, imbalances, lockouts, etc. Too little, suffer deficiencies. These are extremes, if there are “extremes”, then there is “middle ground”. Within middle ground is “sufficient”, enough to avoid deficiency, too little for “burn”, but we also find “optimal” here. More than “sufficient”, but below “fried”.

GreenHighlander said:
I can tell you that optimal for some strains. Specifically some Sativas is less. Not more. Blueberry is another I can think of off hand.
I am just saying it is not all about pumping up this or that. She knows what she is doing. You make everything she needs available to her she will reach optimal. In MY experience again a lot of strains will not reach optimal for medical use without those nutrients being made available like it would be in nature. Ya you might get super high and you might get a huge yield. But it does not have the same medical benefit for me and others I know.
I would also like to say that yes some strains do like everything super heavy.
Cheers :)
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You’re taking me all wrong. I’m not talking about dumping a gallon of “Terpinator” on each plant. All I’m saying is that fine tuning the available nutrients, and the timing of that availability, will yield the best results within each strain.

Come on man, I’m well beyond needing “light/heavy feeder” schooling.


How to explain this...

If strain “Cheesewiz” is receiving optimal feed “X” (X will represent it’s current optimal nutrient requirement, regardless of nutrient and amount). Between weeks 4 &6 this strain ramps up production of terpene “Sharp Cheddar”. “Sharp Cheddar” biosynthesis uses an increased % (whatever it may be) of the micronutrients “such n’ such” and “this n’ that”. Now, “Cheesewiz” is still receiving “X”, optimal for weeks 1-4 of bloom, and still good enough to get through finish without visible deficiencies. However, had micronutrients “such n’ such” and “this n’ that” been increased by the appropriate amounts, greater production of terpene “Sharp Cheddar” would have netted better nose and flavor.
 
Odin*

Odin*

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GreenHighlander said:
Quite probably. I know they are important, especially to get it all going. I have not yet experimented with teas with cannabis. I have with bio dynamic farming. That is actually something I am about to start with my girls. I can't see how it would hurt lol
For the first time in 20+ years of growing I am just growing for the best medicine.
After years of freaking over this level and that level, this PH and that PH, and this GPW vs that GPW, and this bottle and that bottle. I am actually just really enjoying growing. At the same time I am producing quality unlike anything I ever have before. I have absolutely destroyed the numbers I currently am pumping out. But the quality and shear enjoyment has been great. The numbers will come once I get the strains dialed in. But I will never even contemplate using a bottled nute again.
Goddamn I wish I could get my hands on some of the strains I ran with bottles lol
Cheers :)
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Sorry that it took 20 years to get there. I love growing, very passionate about it. I’m all about the finished flowers.
 
GreenHighlander

GreenHighlander

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Odin* said:
Unfortunately, this isn’t true. If it were, you could just load the soil with amendments to last a liftetime, and the plant’s would “pick and choose”, only taking in what is needed. Not the case, otherwise we wouldn’t have to consider “nute burn”, imbalances, lockouts, etc. Too little, suffer deficiencies. These are extremes, if there are “extremes”, then there is “middle ground”. Within middle ground is “sufficient”, enough to avoid deficiency, too little for “burn”, but we also find “optimal” here. More than “sufficient”, but below “fried”.



You’re taking me all wrong. I’m not talking about dumping a gallon of “Terpinator” on each plant. All I’m saying is that fine tuning the available nutrients, and the timing of that availability, will yield the best results within each strain.

Come on man, I’m well beyond needing “light/heavy feeder” schooling.


How to explain this...

If strain “Cheesewiz” is receiving optimal feed “X” (X will represent it’s current optimal nutrient requirement, regardless of nutrient and amount). Between weeks 4 &6 this strain ramps up production of terpene “Sharp Cheddar”. “Sharp Cheddar” biosynthesis uses an increased % (whatever it may be) of the micronutrients “such n’ such” and “this n’ that”. Now, “Cheesewiz” is still receiving “X”, optimal for weeks 1-4 of bloom, and still good enough to get through finish without visible deficiencies. However, had micronutrients “such n’ such” and “this n’ that” been increased by the appropriate amounts, greater production of terpene “Sharp Cheddar” would have netted better nose and flavor.
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No just needing to dump endless amendments and the plants sorting it out would be the yield view. Instead I just make sure like myself they have a well balanced natural diet. None of the ailments you listed have I dealt with since changing how I viewed and dealt with it all. Again some in fact only shine when given less.
If anything I have noticed some strains not getting fed quite heavy enough. Therefor I would then just amend stronger on the next run. I am agreeing the timing and availability of nutes is important. I am just saying a proper soil mix will beat the bottles everytime. A full buffet soil has everything available whenever it is needed.
I also wasn't trying to insult you with light or heavy feeding. Just typing with others who may read it in mind.
For me the water only is the way to go. I yield what I need to and the quality is incredible.
I am also a firm believer in the theory "the best way to grow is what works best for you" As long as it ain't poison.

Also it took 20 years because most of that 20 years was growing to make others rich. I was always passionate about it. Was just 20 years of a plant being the only thing that made me a criminal and forced me to associate with such.
Feels good to be doing it for the right reason, and my girls thank me for it.
Cheers :)
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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Odin* said:
? Long rest periods ARE beneficial to strength training and/or muscle development (power lifting/body building). Quick “thanks” for helping prove that point (about the “misinformed masses”). For some time now (maybe 20 years, longer) “science” and mags were all about short rest periods between sets (average of a minute). Years into the “short rest period craze”, a study discovered a testosterone dip after 1 hour of “short rest” training, so it was recommended to quit training after 1 hour to avoid this drop in test. Just recently, a study shows that greater gains (strength and hypertrophy) come from longer rest between sets (2-3.5 minutes), and that “longer rest training” is not subject to the “1 hour testosterone drop”. I have always rested 2-3.5 minutes (2 for lighter sets, 3-4 between heavy sets) and lifted longer than an hour (usually around 2 hours, as long as 3). Right now I lift for about 90 minutes, not as young as I once was (not “old” yet either)..
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My mix up. Not so much misinformed but rather responded in stoned confusion. I was into martial arts and strength trained according to books and research gear for that so I was taught/read to go with short rest periods. I never really researched what it takes to get "big" I just trained/researched for endurance style training for martial arts. As an endurance athlete you want short rest periods but after reading your response here I googled it and you are correct, apparently for body building you'd want longer rest periods. I wouldn't have made a very good body builder, lol. I typically ran/cardio for longer periods of time than I lifted when I worked out so I rarely ever lifted for over an hour at a time and you'll never get "big" that way, ripped but not big.


As far as the weed issue and taste, it's something that would be hard to validate conclusively with so many variables throughout a grow cycle and that is why I would like to read research about said topic. I'm a nerdy historian so I like reading and analyzing data. Does that mean I'd believe and take such information as fact, no, but to me it's better than people on a pot forum telling me they just know. Quantifiable data is sometimes a good thing but not always an accurate view of things in context. That said I do give you a lot more credit than the average RIUer because I've seen your work here on the site so I'm aware you know a thing or two about weed so if you tell me it has an affect I'd say there is at least a likelihood it maybe true.

Cheers
 
JohnDoeTho

JohnDoeTho

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Everything you have said IMO has nothing to do with your soil choice or nutrient choice. Has all to do with your drying and curing process. You should be jarring up still somewhat moist (but not too moist where mold will occur) burp the jars occasionally. Drying proccess should also be slow as possible while avoiding mold. Terpenes are very volatil. Even the drying room being too warm can result in evaporation of terpenes.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Odin* said:
If that’s the case, take a bag of landrace regs, throw them around the yard, and let it ride.



Nothing should be lost, our efforts should be “all encompassing”, and regimen “optimal”.



No, but if we “embrace” the idea of “strain dependent optimal feed”, use what we do “know”, and “experiment” to the best of our abilities/capabilities, then it is possible to further dial in the needs of a given strain. That also means that it is possible to “enhance” the terpene profile of a particular strain based on known terpenes and their nutrient requirements. *Cough* as @Dr. Who said *cough*
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Well said sir.
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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Dr. Who said:
Sorry, I do understand as I have to go back and correct all my dyslexic typing....
Again, apologies.
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Dr Who ,i'm i fan of your comments but that one a little Low .At least you said sorry un like a few on here ,I hate to see negative shit ,on a site that should be all about something we all share the love of the herb ,And producing good quality product.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Odin* said:
No, but if we “embrace” the idea of “strain dependent optimal feed”, use what we do “know”, and “experiment” to the best of our abilities/capabilities, then it is possible to further dial in the needs of a given strain. That also means that it is possible to “enhance” the terpene profile of a particular strain based on known terpenes and their nutrient requirements. *Cough* as @Dr. Who said *cough*
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That is exactly a great way to put it. My "Proof" was is in taking ideals learned in taxol production increase by compound amendment, and applying it to cannabis by years of trial and error. The first clue to what to settle in on, was S compounds.... I figure that is obvious enough to you.
Having had those years and the continual experimenting with ideals along these lines, helped. I did read the same results back a few years. Can't for the life of me remember where.
You get tired of being berated by closed minds, with less then 1/10th your experience.

Took me a day to figure, "What the fuck, post a real answer. Ignore trolls."
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr. Who said:
That is exactly a great way to put it. My "Proof" was is in taking ideals learned in taxol production increase by compound amendment, and applying it to cannabis by years of trial and error. The first clue to what to settle in on, was S compounds.... I figure that is obvious enough to you.
Having had those years and the continual experimenting with ideals along these lines, helped. I did read the same results back a few years. Can't for the life of me remember where.
You get tired of being berated by closed minds, with less then 1/10th your experience.

Took me a day to figure, "What the fuck, post a real answer. Ignore trolls."
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Now you have grown Pacific Yew trees and produced taxol? Lol.

Did you read about taxol in a cancer pamphlet?

You should make up more believable stuff. I could compile a book with the made up crap you think you slipped by everyone.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And there it is....right on time.
Mentioned NO names did I?
Knows who he is, don't he?
I'm not taking the bait.
Back to ignore.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr. Who said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And there it is....right on time.
Mentioned NO names did I?
Knows who he is, don't he?
I'm not taking the bait.
Back to ignore.
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You already had me on ignore. I was alerted back to the thread from someone else’s comment.

But I read your rediculous comment and then I had the pleasure of clicking on your “blog” from your profile.

It’s from 2014 and it clearly shows you were a noob then. Nice plants and comments for a 40 year grower. Lol. Many of us “noobs” or “trolls” as you like to call anyone who calls you out grew much nicer plants from the get go.

What do you get out of pretending you are more than you really are?
 
budman111

budman111

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Now you have grown Pacific Yew trees and produced taxol? Lol.

Did you read about taxol in a cancer pamphlet?

You should make up more believable stuff. I could compile a book with the made up crap you think you slipped by everyone.
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Doc has a lot of good advice to give on this site, I don't see anyone else having a problem with him. Just saying.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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budman111 said:
Doc has a lot of good advice to give on this site, I don't see anyone else having a problem with him. Just saying.
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Listen to who you want to. I call it as I see it.

And you’re not quite right. Others here agree but they find him entertaining.

I try to leave it alone for entertainments sake but then he comes up with a new even wilder story about himself to tell of his “experience”.

At least note that he just said he grew trees found in the Pacific Northwest and apparently processed the bark for major pharmaceutical companies.

Bet he read about it at the doctors office in a health magazine.

Quite the farmer this doctor. And quite the imagination he has.
 
Odin*

Odin*

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GreenHighlander said:
I also wasn't trying to insult you with light or heavy feeding. Just typing with others who may read it in mind.
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I didn’t take it as an insult and responded “lightheartedly”, but so much is lost in “translation” when communicating via text. I should have added a “Smiley” to help with expression. I believe responses to @MichiganMedGrower and @thenotsoesoteric may have sent the wrong signal, so I’ll appologize there as well. All in good fun.
 
Odin*

Odin*

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Now you have grown Pacific Yew trees and produced taxol? Lol.

Did you read about taxol in a cancer pamphlet?

You should make up more believable stuff. I could compile a book with the made up crap you think you slipped by everyone.
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I believe that @Dr. Who ’s statement was taken out of context. When he said...

Dr. Who said:
My "Proof" was is in taking ideals learned in taxol production...
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... he was referring to industry “R&D”, trial and error, that he then applied to growing herb. Not that he was producing taxol, and contributing to that industry’s “R&D”.

This again goes back to “so much is lost in translation...”.
 
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