Fogger vs Aero Cloner

Alright after alot of research on my own i wanted to know other peoples feeling about foggers and aero cloners. I have found numerous foggers and DIY parts to make a fogger for around 50 bucks, same with the aero, so price wise they are the same to me. What i really want to know is which works better with less upkeep?

here are the links and pictures of cloners i have been studying to get a general idea on a DIY plan:

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(made by stealthhydro.com $79.95)

- Then the general DIY aero cloner w/ misters and pvc pluming.



I can make either for the same price, so if any one has experience with both these i would love to hear from you. I just think the whole ultrasonic fog is a cool idea and very simple to make.

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i've seen a pretty crazy fogger cloner on here somewhere. dont remember which one it was tho but he took the gnarliest clones and just basically stuck them in a rubbermaid fogger cloner and they all rooted pretty crazy if you ask me but it failed after a year and the clones he had in it all died. Not sure how long the nebulizer lasts...

yeah they have a high fail rate but you can get single plated ultrasonic foggers for 25 bucks... if it last me a year stright of cloning i would be happy.... if anyone else has any opinions on fog cloners please let me know.

I have tried the ultrasonic foggers before. I found that the rapid vibration of the piezoelectic diaphragm tends to make nute salts precipitate and accumulate on the diaphragm, causing it to become less efficient then finally fail after a few weeks.

Might be OK in an aerocloner where there's no nutes in the water. Distilled water, absent any mineral content, might make the foggers last longer, too.

I think you could accomplish the same thing for less cost and greater reliability with a simple air pump and a bubble curtain. Bubbles breaking the surface will create a very fine mist. Good quality bubble curtains last years, air pumps last about a year before needing a new set of diaphragms and valves installed (often included with the air pump).

yea i come make a bubble cloner really easy cause i have four aquariums right now, and air pumps and bubble wands are already on hand for me. i just wanted to do something new, kinda of unproven, cause i mean all i need is a fogger and a rubber maid tub. But i see what you saying, thats one of the things i read about foggers that is consistent, if you use any nutes that dont dissolve completely they will gum up your disc and you be cleaning or replacing often. I think i am gonna do a scientific project.... a small 5g bucket bubble cloner and a 5g bucket fogger , see which works better, roots faster, and produces healthier clones. I'll start a new threat and document it for everyone on here once my fogger comes in. lets see what Mr. Science has to say about these cloners....

420inmyapt said:

i just wanted to do something new, kinda of unproven, cause i mean all i need is a fogger and a rubber maid tub.

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If you're an experienced grower and already have a viable, productive system going, a little bit of playing around with stuff is great. This is how new methods are properly developed.

If you're an inexperienced grower and are relying on unconventional methods or hardware as your only avenue for producing weed, you are asking for grief.

IMNSFHO, experimental methods should be avoided by new growers in favour of tried-and-true, replicatable methods that are known to work every time.

Some whiz-bang new method might impress someone but may not always grow you any dope. IMO, reliable production of good weed is much more impressive. Even if you per se are not a noob, far too many new growers are looking for the whiz-bang instead of the solidly reliable. Bit like slapping a set of mags on a rusty econobox with no brakes running 3 cylinders. Fix the engine, brakes & rust... THEN look at fancy mags!

I think i am gonna do a scientific project.... a small 5g bucket bubble cloner and a 5g bucket fogger , see which works better, roots faster, and produces healthier clones.

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Mr Science would say that it doesn't much matter how you make your mist. If the temps in the cloner and other significant factors are right, both will do the same thing.

i have tried 3 sets of clones through my bubble cloner with no results. can you tell me what light schedueles you use, and how far away from the cuttings do you typically have the water level? I'd hate to start from day 1 seeds again. I am in day 3 of 12/12 so theres still time to take a few cuttings and do it right!

"IMNSFHO, experimental methods should be avoided by new growers in favour of tried-and-true, replicatable methods that are known to work every time."

Yeah i think i will just go with the bubble cloner, i have never used one before though. What should my water level be in respect to the bottom of the clones?
do i need anything besides bubble wands, air pumps, a rubber maid, and neoprene collars?
What is the perfect temp to keep the water at in the bubble cloner?
How much light should i put over them?

I was thinking of using a coralife T5 64W fixture with a Odesyes T5 48W fixture, will these together be good for my clones?

420inmyapt said:

What should my water level be in respect to the bottom of the clones?

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The stem tips should be about 4-6" from the water level. Lots of aerocloner noobs leave the stems far too close to the water, if not dipping in it. This usually causes pythium/fusarium stem rot.

do i need anything besides bubble wands, air pumps, a rubber maid, and neoprene collars?

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No, that's the lot.

What is the perfect temp to keep the water at in the bubble cloner?

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About 27C. Temps that warm are great for quick rooting but also reduce dissolved O2. Not a big deal when you are constantly aerating the solution. Aerocloners should be dosed with H2O2 (50% grade) at 1ml/litre of cloner tank volume, every 3-4 days to eliminate pathogen growth.

How much light should i put over them?

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Not much. Clones without roots developed just yet must not be pounded with light. All they need is to be convinced it is daylight for 18+H/day.

I was thinking of using a coralife T5 64W fixture with a Odesyes T5 48W fixture, will these together be good for my clones?

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No- not at all. Skip these in favour of common, ordinary 24" fluoro tubes or CFLs.

Aquarium lighting is usually a poor choice for cannabis.

multisonic said:

i have tried 3 sets of clones through my bubble cloner with no results. can you tell me what light schedueles you use, and how far away from the cuttings do you typically have the water level? I'd hate to start from day 1 seeds again. I am in day 3 of 12/12 so theres still time to take a few cuttings and do it right!

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Clones (in any watering system, cubes, aerocloners, etc) should get low intensity light (ordinary fluoros or CFLs are ideal) for 18-24H/day.

Water level in an aerocloner should be about 4-6" below the stem tips. You're looking to create a 100% humidity environment around the stem tips but not have water dripping off them. You're looking for damp, not wet.

Clones should get 6 hours of darkness immediately after cutting to allow water uptake to begin through the stem cuts. Once leaves are standing erect, lighting can be set to 24/0.

You can initiate a flowering light cycle (12/12) as soon as your clones have a good spray of roots. Cannabis plants don't shift growth habit instantly when switching from veg to flower. It takes about 4 wks of 12/12 for the plants to shift fully to flowering mode, making budmass instead of vertical height. If flowering clones immediately after rooting as is done in SoG, this little vegetative spurt is necessary to make the plants gain a bit of size while they are shifting into flowering mode. However, if clones are kept under 12/12, they won't get this 4-wk veg spurt and will simply flower at the size of the clone instead of turning into something like this:



IMO, aerocloners are a rather fiddly method and may not be best for inexperienced growers. However, if you can closely manage the pH (5. & temp (27C) of the solution in the aerocloner, they can be fast and reliable tools, yielding root nodes in a couple of days and plantable clones with a good set of roots in about 7-8 days.

could it be that the bagseed that i've got just doesn't take well to cloning?

multisonic said:

could it be that the bagseed that i've got just doesn't take well to cloning?

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I'd like to tell you that it's bad DNA and not problems in your method, but I've never found any strains that were really any harder to clone than any others.

Give the cutting a warm (~28C), damp rooting zone, manage watering carefully and they will set root quickly, without misting, anti-wilt products or humidomes.

multisonic said:

I'd hate to start from day 1 seeds again. I am in day 3 of 12/12 so theres still time to take a few cuttings and do it right!

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Thus is illustrated the case for establishing mother plants and getting your cuts from them instead of relying on cuttings from plants which are to be flowered.

If things go wrong- and they will, even I have problems from time to time- with vegging mums at the ready under separate 18-24H lighting, you always have plant material in veg mode for cuttings.

I presently am rooting12 stems total Chile Jalapeño....Episcia...Aglaonema as my Cannabis were chopped for the new set.all in an 8 in azelea pot stuck through the drain holes.that firms into another black pot and is 4 in above fogg er a single Dig 0.5gph fogger..
Although I have 35 yrs eexperiences a plant breeder and propagator every change I approach warily yet with those years behind me.
Understanding evapotranspiration of any plant makes the difference Imho.
My Sys should work as the tank drain is 1cm above the bottom and the blowoff through the top pot appears to be perfectly humidifying the top stems and leaves....we will see as they are all bare root to set roots at nodes.stems here @ tropical conditions take poorly.
I am foreseeing potential problems in physical root damage upon removal and transplant shock as well.hmmm we use no nutrients at this stage but have used PGR's in other systems...stuckung Marcottes and grafting.
We will see as this is in an outdoor Go.
Main concern is fogger clogging.for now as it looks good so far.