For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

i81two said:

Good point kitty.

Thats why i switched from hydroton to the 6x6 rockwool. It is just plane out less labor and cheaper too.

And i think fungas gnats like hydroton more also.

Good luck.

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Gnats like any dirty room. I've yet to ever have any insect mold or other problem, and all I do is keep things clean. Its the girl in me I guess.

6x6" rockwool cubes are what, $5-$8 each? Hydroton may be more, but you re-use it. I'm not aware of being able to reuse Rockwool cubes............. So if you do one grow, it might be cheaper, but soon as you do a second harvest it costed you more right?

seems ive somehow got thrips rooms real clean, guess il have to go get some azamax and kill these little bastards

I pick up my 6x6's for $2.5 per. so its not that bad. If you run 75 x 2.5= 187

Hydroton would take 8 bags @ 27 per= 216 and thats not counting what u need in veg.

Hydroton is very labor intensive too. Time is money.

I wish it was all about cleanliness, cause i keep a clean ship also and the gnats just hang on for dear life

hey u812,have you tried sunleave grow rocks? their about $15 for 33 lbs or 30 L but are way cleaner then hydroton cheaper,and retain more moisture,check em out

I got a buddy running e experiment with D1 crushed granit thing seem good so far, he wont let me take pics but will post how things go.

crushed granit? sounds right, D1? whats that?like an aggragete size? whats the ticket for some a dat? has he done any water retention test?








der ya go "inhaallllll, exhaalllll

D1 is a crushed quarts/granite rock mostly use in construction, its packed on the roads then the paver comes and lays asfualt. its about small marble size
chuncks. hes flooding the same as I with hydrotron but I suspect as they get bigger he will have to flood longer or mor floods not sure yet. pros I can see
its super cheap, reusable and no ph issues, every sand and gravel pit has it not something leo would ever look at. cons is its heavy

hellraizer30 said:

I got a buddy running e experiment with D1 crushed granit thing seem good so far, he wont let me take pics but will post how things go.

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He wont let you take pictures? Granite is a rock, it'll crumble in small chunks, instantly killing pumps when it does. Enjoy that! Any time someone does "something new and cool" that nobody heard of they never can seem to show final results or in-progress pictures.............. Hmm

i81two said:

I pick up my 6x6's for $2.5 per. so its not that bad. If you run 75 x 2.5= 187

Hydroton would take 8 bags @ 27 per= 216 and thats not counting what u need in veg.

Hydroton is very labor intensive too. Time is money.

I wish it was all about cleanliness, cause i keep a clean ship also and the gnats just hang on for dear life

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So yea, its cheaper the first harvest. Then if you decide to re-use your system and grow more than just one harvest worth, you have to re-buy the rockwool instead of just rinsing Hydroton. =) (Plus the rockwool is really more ebb & FLOW this is ebb & GROW) (Flow=Flood trays/rockwool gigantic cubes, Grow=Buckets with Hydroton(Generally, some idiots still use STG inserts).

well kitty I would agree with you to but Ive always post picks if I could, so my posting that wasnt to steer anyboby to try it just was hoping
others might have done it to. as for it crubling that shit as solid as it come so its not going to get in the system. as for pics Il try to convice
him to let me snap a shot or to, but if not and it works out for him Il try one bucket with it a Il show all.

I'd like to see how it is with water retention, no buildup of salts/nutrients, crumbly factor, but chances are him saving $8 is going to cost him.

as for water retenson the rock is alittle poress and seem to compare to hydrotron but the salt build up, no clue system hasnt been running long enough to tell.
as for the savings a truck load of that shit cost what a one bag of tron does. either way time will tell

I was wondering if I purchased the Cap Ebb and Gro , If it is realistic to fit 9 buckets in a 5x5 gro hut. I just did a round with soil and I am not found of having to crawl into the hut . I have 1000 watt light . I am using co2 bucket . Is 9 buckets too cramped ? I am planning on flowering when plant hits 18 inches ?

Thanks
Noobie farmer

im runing 29 in a 10x10 tent, so 9 in a 5x5 is fine
i flipped them a 20in

noobiefarmer said:

I was wondering if I purchased the Cap Ebb and Gro , If it is realistic to fit 9 buckets in a 5x5 gro hut. I just did a round with soil and I am not found of having to crawl into the hut . I have 1000 watt light . I am using co2 bucket . Is 9 buckets too cramped ? I am planning on flowering when plant hits 18 inches ?

Thanks
Noobie farmer

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Welcome to the site, noobie farmer =) 9 buckets under a 1000w lamp is no problem. Flowering at 18" tall will generally give you 50" tall plants when they are ready to harvest, that *might* be a little big for ya. Try to flower them when they are 10-12" tall, and then adjust on the second grow with more or less veg time based on whatever the strain does for you. Each strain grows different heights too, so running the same strain in 9 buckets will be very beneficial to keeping an even canopy.

Right now I have 1000w lamps with mostly 16 under each light, flower at 8-10" tall. Some lights have 12 plants under em, and that's to see which yields more but I wont find out for another 2 months as they just started flowering. If you want to see some pictures of plants in various stages check my grow journal out in my signature. There's about 300 pictures in the thread and I update it every week.

hey now,good deal alert,if you got one of those dollar tree stores around they got 2.5 gal black buckets in there for ya $1.00 each! snatch em up while supplies last!

researchkitty said:

Welcome to the site, noobie farmer =) 9 buckets under a 1000w lamp is no problem. Flowering at 18" tall will generally give you 50" tall plants when they are ready to harvest, that *might* be a little big for ya. Try to flower them when they are 10-12" tall, and then adjust on the second grow with more or less veg time based on whatever the strain does for you. Each strain grows different heights too, so running the same strain in 9 buckets will be very beneficial to keeping an even canopy.

Right now I have 1000w lamps with mostly 16 under each light, flower at 8-10" tall. Some lights have 12 plants under em, and that's to see which yields more but I wont find out for another 2 months as they just started flowering. If you want to see some pictures of plants in various stages check my grow journal out in my signature. There's about 300 pictures in the thread and I update it every week.

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Haha damn.....I have 4 plants under each 1000w. Vegged a month or so. I filled about 50% of the light footprint in veg this time around. Hopefully it wont be too much. I have a plant limit here in CA, so I grow fewer numbers of large plants. All LST, so I can spread the sites out and get good light penetration. I feel that growing larger plants helps to maximize the genetic potential of the strain, and maximizes efficiency.

Ferredoxin said:

Haha damn.....I have 4 plants under each 1000w. Vegged a month or so. I filled about 50% of the light footprint in veg this time around. Hopefully it wont be too much. I have a plant limit here in CA, so I grow fewer numbers of large plants. All LST, so I can spread the sites out and get good light penetration. I feel that growing larger plants helps to maximize the genetic potential of the strain, and maximizes efficiency.

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For my first ebb & grow I did 18 plants over 2000watts of lights, vegged em for a month. Woops Added another 2000w of lights and had two 4 packs and two 5 packs of plants under the lights halfway through flower. Got about 4 ounces dry off of each plant, extremely well ventilated area and optimal everything. They sure took a while to trim............

researchkitty said:

For my first ebb & grow I did 18 plants over 2000watts of lights, vegged em for a month. Woops Added another 2000w of lights and had two 4 packs and two 5 packs of plants under the lights halfway through flower. Got about 4 ounces dry off of each plant, extremely well ventilated area and optimal everything. They sure took a while to trim............

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Nice. Im shooting for 6 oscars per...total of 24 ozs per 1000w. Not a bad goal I think!

Ferredoxin said:

Nice. Im shooting for 6 oscars per...total of 24 ozs per 1000w. Not a bad goal I think!

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6 ounces per is a lot, but yea that long veg time will help and lollipop em too! Lots of fresh air if you dont have co2, 24oz off of 1000w is very reasonable for the average great strain

So yea, its cheaper the first harvest. Then if you decide to re-use your system and grow more than just one harvest worth, you have to re-buy the rockwool instead of just rinsing Hydroton. =) (Plus the rockwool is really more ebb & FLOW this is ebb & GROW) (Flow=Flood trays/rockwool gigantic cubes, Grow=Buckets with Hydroton(Generally, some idiots still use STG inserts).[/QUOTE]

It is hardly an expense worth worrying about compared to all the labor associated with the hydroton. Ive done both and therre is no comparison.

Ebb and Gro, Ebb and flow. They are pretty much the same. You are flowing water over a medium for a period of time and then draining back to your rez. The only diff is the buckets act as the tray or a bunch of little ones if you will.

Also i wouldnt call anyone an idiot over the medium they use. If it works for them than great.

All i can say to the hydroton users in E&G is try one 6x6 RW cube in your next grow and i think you will be pleasantly suprised.