For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

hornedfrog2000 · Jun 10, 2011

Cool. Thats what I figured. Probably around $300. Walmart sells old icing buckets for $1 here. I'm just doing 10-12 buckets though. Guess I wasn't really adding the hydroton, but I already have that in the cost of something else.

tommyo3000 · Jun 10, 2011

hornedfrog2000 said:
Cool. Thats what I figured. Probably around $300. Walmart sells old icing buckets for $1 here. I'm just doing 10-12 buckets though. Guess I wasn't really adding the hydroton, but I already have that in the cost of something else.

they are double buckets... an inner and an outer or each plant site

hornedfrog2000 · Jun 10, 2011

Oh, forgot. Where do they sell those in walmart???

tommyo3000 · Jun 10, 2011

you can use any bucket... the inner one you drill holes into the bottom... the outer one get the fittings to connect the buckets together..

drgreentm · Jun 11, 2011

hellraizer30 said:
ive noticed babys transplanted to hydrotron take some time to get used to it then they take off

This is very true once my clones root and I put them in veg in hydroton they will not grow for a while, usually a week but sometimes longer, but when they take off they really take off like they are trying to make up for lost time lol.

facestabber · Jun 11, 2011

Yeah, that what I was thinking too. I guess Im just looking to the magic answer to make them grow NOW. They do look even better today so if they are gong to take off it shouldnt be long now. So far at 11 days in veg in the E&G with hydroton my plants are roughly half the size they would be in a coco/hydroton mix. I usually veg for 3 weeks but I fear I may have to go longer with these in hydroton due to the painfully slow start.

fasteddy714 · Jun 11, 2011

I luv my system,"EBB & GRO", Its a bud producin' bitch!! I got her about 2yrs. ago. Flushing my system is the only real work,I do it about ev.2-4 weeks. I'm running "Dutch Master's"-GOLD. I have tried Botanicare -PRO-bloom and luv it too,also used "Hunboldt County nutrients, a couple of others that ALL work great! BUT, for the few extra bucks D.M.'s is a winner.Its cleaner.The system flush is the only work on this baby.So,I gotta go flush-waaaa. The system really is "DA BOMB" ! ! !

drgreentm · Jun 11, 2011

facestabber said:
Yeah, that what I was thinking too. I guess Im just looking to the magic answer to make them grow NOW. They do look even better today so if they are gong to take off it shouldnt be long now. So far at 11 days in veg in the E&G with hydroton my plants are roughly half the size they would be in a coco/hydroton mix. I usually veg for 3 weeks but I fear I may have to go longer with these in hydroton due to the painfully slow start.

I usually will soak the fresh roots right in a mix of hormex rooting hormone and water before transplant to the hydroton to help with the slow start, the hydroton is heavy and I think that is mainly what stresses the roots most but that's just my concenses not 100% sure.

fasteddy714 · Jun 11, 2011

I just finished flushing my system and found that AFTER I flushed h2o from the res. Even filling my pots first,then after 1 cycle is run I still had a 700ppm reading on truncheon stick. So-I got a huge eye dropper and go inside the empty pots (on an angle) and just douche' the lines out. I flip the last 2 inches of water out too -wipe out the inside of the pots and move on. Once its done ya gotta log it on a calendaer and track everything. Done til later!

hellraizer30 · Jun 11, 2011

Tto remedy this slow transition ive started to put babys in a 6in pot with growdan crutons, in a small flood system
For a week. Seems growdan promotes a better starting point, then when you transplant there alot more speedy to
Transition.

Ferredoxin · Jun 11, 2011

drgreentm said:
This is very true once my clones root and I put them in veg in hydroton they will not grow for a while, usually a week but sometimes longer, but when they take off they really take off like they are trying to make up for lost time lol.

I have the same lag time with bareroot clones from an aerocloner going into straight hydroton (~10-14 days). I was told by a friend to water the clones from the top a few times a day until they take hold, which is what I am going to try next time. Just make sure you dont overflow your res by doing this. It should help them get started faster. I never had a problem after the lag though......these suckers grow like weeds in this system once they get going.

hornedfrog2000 · Jun 11, 2011

They probably take about 10 days to actually root well enough to revert back to vegging. I know the same thing happens in soil for me, and it seemed to do it in my first hydro grow as well.

facestabber · Jun 11, 2011

hellraizer30 said:
Tto remedy this slow transition ive started to put babys in a 6in pot with growdan crutons, in a small flood system
For a week. Seems growdan promotes a better starting point, then when you transplant there alot more speedy to
Transition.

Now this is some golden information. Im gonna give this a try on my next run. Thanks!!!

axl · Jun 11, 2011

what has worked for me, is flooding the buckets only twice a day until the clone spreads itgs roots. Once i see roots poking out of the bottom of the buckets on most of them, i bump up the nutes to about 500 ppms. after about 3 days, they take off quick. I find it takes my clones about 7 days as well before the roots are spread enough.

MoJobud · Jun 11, 2011

hellraizer30 said:
Tto remedy this slow transition ive started to put babys in a 6in pot with growdan crutons, in a small flood system
For a week. Seems growdan promotes a better starting point, then when you transplant there alot more speedy to
Transition.

I am using hail in my veg/trans and will get you a full report shortly. So far a mix of hail and hydroton hasn't slowed down my veg.

facestabber · Jun 11, 2011

hellraizer30 said:
Tto remedy this slow transition ive started to put babys in a 6in pot with growdan crutons, in a small flood system
For a week. Seems growdan promotes a better starting point, then when you transplant there alot more speedy to
Transition.

How often are you flooding the croutons? When you remove from the 6in pot and transfer to the E&G bucket do you still set the croutons a half inch above the flood line?

facestabber · Jun 11, 2011

facestabber said:
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Here are my "Alien OG's". Currently in week 3 of 12/12. 60/40 hydroton/coco mix. I Flood as needed. Usually once every other day with H&G coco nutrients plus hydrofungicide. I had alot of problems getting this to work until I started using hydrofungicide in my rez to keep things clean. I yield 1.5 to 2 pounds per 1000w hps with this method. Hoping to get a consistant 2 pounds per light with straight hydroton.

I really am concerned about my plants in hydroton though and need you guys and girls help. Im only posting these coco grow pics to show that it does work well in the Ebb & Grow and to demonstrate my decent skill level when it comes to this kinda stuff. Any help diagnosing my sluggish babies will be greatly appreciated and rewarded with frequent updates and pics.

Just wanted to share some more info on the coco/hydroton mix method. Although it's a more difficult method than pure hydroton it has worked amazingly well for me with several strains (UK Cheese, OG Kush, blue cheese, and currently some Alien OG. The key to making this work is to use the E&G as a semi-automated watering system as opposed to an "ebb and flood". Let the coco dry out a bit between waterings. I keep all the tabs on my controller buckets set to drain and flip them manually when watering is needed. Some of you will probably think I am retarded for putting coco coir in my E&G but it really has been an excellent way to water my plants. With a thick canopy wall to wall its near impossible to hand water without damaging trees.I have also found that calmag supplementation is a must when in coco coir. If done right yield is huge ang quality is top shelf. My only complaint is pre-rinsing salty coco coir and the mess it makes.
Buckets should also be elevated about 1/2 inch when using coco to drain off the water in the bottom. It can become stagnant when you only flood less than once a day.

hellraizer30 · Jun 11, 2011

facestabber said:
How often are you flooding the croutons? When you remove from the 6in pot and transfer to the E&G bucket do you still set the croutons a half inch above the flood line?

I put 3in above the flood and 3in below the flood line. And when there in the ebb they get x4 floods no floods at night.

Im also trying a few with 100% growdan crutons, to try to avoid washing rock

facestabber · Jun 11, 2011

hellraizer30 said:
I put 3in above the flood and 3in below the flood line. And when there in the ebb they get x4 floods no floods at night.

Im also trying a few with 100% growdan crutons, to try to avoid washing rock

Im gonna try this. I clone in an ezcloner so I will be going bare roots to rockwool croutons and then hand watering as needed. Do you feel like a once a day hand watering would work till I put them in the E&G?

hellraizer30 · Jun 12, 2011

as long as the rockwool/growdan is wet your good if it drys out just water it, one thing about this stuff is you need to soak it and adjust the
ph before using.

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