Full spectrum lights UNDERNEATH the canopy increases dry bud mass by 24.5% what are you using?

Prawn Connery

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TLDR: more light = bigger yield

Leaves are slightly translucent, the light will pass through the entire leaf and interact with all chloroplasts; the chloroplasts that allow for photosynthesis are held in the middle of the leaf between the upper and lower epidermis, the underside of leaves can photosynthesize. Just because they do it at a rate far lower because of nature than the top of the leaves is meaningless when it comes to the studies of under canopy lighting. So top lighting 1000 watt HPS = 100% of photosynthesis and the under canopy lighting with weak LEDS can add an additional 5 - 10% yield and growth why knock it? Why the beef? Not to mention as I posted the early 80s studies of blue light under the canopy and stomatal opening... So 85+ degrees + 1600 ppm Co2 + passive blue light under canopy can lead to explosive growth and has been shown in University studies. It's like you're either a bunch of old 1969 dead head Woodstock hippies that are set in your ways or a bunch of young guns that aren't capable of reading a .gov peer reviewed article from a University. I won't bring it up again, do your thing... Have a nice day..
The first part of this statement is true – light does pass through leaves, and there are chloroplasts throughout the leaf structure that can photosynthesise regardless of light direction . . . however, as the stomata are on the underside of the leaf, the top of the leaf allows more light to pass to activate more chloroplasts, so photosynthesis is asymetical.

The next part of the statement is not entirely true, as there is no such thing as "100% photosynthesis". In fact, studies have shown some plants photosynthesise only 4-5% of the light that hits them.

The main problem with the OP's initial post is that the actual university study that Hawley-David produced explains exactly what is going on.

People shoud read more and argue less. Please read the bit in bold:
Red-Blue and RGB SCL treatments significantly increased dry bud yield in the second crop cycle, while only RGB SCL significantly increased yield in the first crop cycle (Figure 4.3). This was expected due an overall greater amount of light being delivered to the plants in these treatments relative to the Control treatment (Peat, 1970; Stasiak et al., 1998; Ralph and Gademann, 2005). Further, the additional light energy was being delivered to leaves that would have otherwise been shaded by upper canopy leaves. Regardless, it is notable that Red-Blue and RGB SCL treatments increased yield by 19.8 and 24.5% respectively relative to the control in the second crop cycle, which is a disproportional yield enhancement with the RGB treatment given that the SCL only contributed an additional 19% greater PPFD measured at mid-canopy than the control treatment. By contrast, in the first crop cycle the RGB SCL treatment increased yield by only 18.9% relative to the Control treatment.
As for the increase in cannabinoids, yes blue light has been shown to increase cannabinoids as it is near the UV spectrum and carries more energy than green and red and has the potential to cause DNA damage when exposure is high. The plant produces more cannabinoids to protect itself from DNA damage.
 

Prawn Connery

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Side-lighting is a pet subject of mine as I grew vertically for many years and also added side-lighting to my recent LED grows.

Side-lighting works. Under-canopy lighting works. But, in my experience it works mainly by increasing the available leaf surface area exposed to light. If you increase the amount of light to areas of the plant not normally exposed, or under-exposed, then it stands to reason you increase yields.

Incidentally, I have observed a similar result to the above university study. Which is to say, increasing side and under-canopy light by X% increases yields by about the same amount. There are variables in everything and your mileage might vary.

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Wastei

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I used to do it with CFLs back in the day. Remember having 4 x 125w pointing upwards below the pots. It was fun and produced proper bud but it's such a hassle if you want to do any manual work on the plants. Nowadays I do things more simple, not enough time for experiments that doesn't add much at harvest. A classic thing to do is hanging a HID between the rows to get some added vertical light.

I've broken to many fluoros to now stay away from them. They're pretty good at adding UV though. Today I would probably use some sort of LED strips/pucks for the same effect. Cheers!
 

Flowki

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I guess the only shock here is a litteral one. I can't see a light company actaully advising people to put fixtures that close to high moisture and water. It's surely a law suit waiting to happen.
 

Syntax747

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How are you folks (with the sidelights) able to peel back the mylar from the tent frame, without damaging lights or pulling wires?
Seems like it would be a helluv a headache everytime I had to water.
 

Prawn Connery

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How are you folks (with the sidelights) able to peel back the mylar from the tent frame, without damaging lights or pulling wires?
Seems like it would be a helluv a headache everytime I had to water.
The Buddies lights are stuck to the door flap but don't cross to the other side. Have a look at this photo and you can see where the Buddies wiring ends on the flap on the left. You unzip the flap and there are Buddies on either side but no wiring crosses the middle.

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Here's another way of doing it. This is not my grow.

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the native

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The Buddies lights are stuck to the door flap but don't cross to the other side. Have a look at this photo and you can see where the Buddies wiring ends on the flap on the left. You unzip the flap and there are Buddies on either side but no wiring crosses the middle.

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Here's another way of doing it. This is not my grow.

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ahhh, that's are better way to do it. zip ties. mine are just stuck on with the adhesive backing tape that comes with them. this way you can remove them and reposition them, nice.
 

Syntax747

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The Buddies lights are stuck to the door flap but don't cross to the other side. Have a look at this photo and you can see where the Buddies wiring ends on the flap on the left. You unzip the flap and there are Buddies on either side but no wiring crosses the middle.
Thats interesting. Thanks for the response.
 

Paindevice

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Almost 2.5 grams per watt with average yielder

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We already established that that was a troll joke post 3 pages ago in this thread but apparently because you're either so old, ignorant or stupid you don't know what "troll joke post" means so you are left clueless repeating it over and over again like an actual legit post like an absolute ignorant moron. I posted . gov peer revived University studies showing that blue light under the canopy actually opens stomata and increases yield with high levels of C02 and your clown ass set in your ways shot it down... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5145862/ whatever... live in ignorance.
 
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Scuzzman

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climb back under your rock, I guess your mum and dad have allowed internet time ,so you thought you would boost this thread which is a load of crap----- who is the troll here - dickhead :sleep:
 

ChemDogLover

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https://www.thriveagritech.com/ = LED company, study is a Thesis ..... 2018 old school crap

These guys would have been paid back in 2018/2019 when this was done. Also note in the video they say 10% increase not worth the hassle

Buy a good Led light clean your plants = good light penetration = good air flow = good buds, lower growth great for hash/cooking :eyesmoke:
so it’s being done commercially now. Must have some merit.

Here is a guy that claims it works. Says he gets a pound for every 1000 watts of under canopy lighting.


i’m was looking into side lighting and now I’m looking at under canopy lighting too.
 

Charles U Farley

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TLDR: more light = bigger yield
The main problem with the OP's initial post is that the actual university study that Hawley-David produced explains exactly what is going on.

People shoud read more and argue less. Please read the bit in bold:
You just saved me an hour or so of my life plowing through this thread that I could have never gotten back. :D

Critical reading of scientific journals is more of a learned art than science. You've done well where so many others have failed... basic reading comprehension. :cool:
 

secretmicrogrow420

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A lot of closed minded ignorant assholes in this thread that have apparently never heard the term "light recipe"... too bad

"Researchers in the Netherlands are experimenting with “inter-lighting” to improve yields, especially in taller crops. HID lamps are still the primary overhead light source, but LEDs are added lower in the canopy in specific color spectrums. For example, some frequencies of blue light stimulate the opening of the stomata. Green light, on the other hand, causes the stomata to close. As the upper leaves shade out the lower leaves, photosynthesis begins to shut down. By adding high-efficiency LEDs lower in the canopy, it is possible to stimulate more of the plant to become photosynthetically active, resulting in higher yields."
he!! yeah you tell em dawg! :D <3 :3 lol
 
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