rastadred22
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lol! yea man they look good though def. swelling away! cant wait to see the yeild!
Ganjas 1st Grow...kinda????2300watt sour diesel,white widow
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ganjaluva2009
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thanks bro. Im definetly happy with the great white( pic). at first i wasnt happy, but the bigger the buds get, the nastier,danker the smell gets. Im really anxious to see what i yield. Ill def give a harvest, trim,cure,yield and smoke report as part of this journal. So we will all see. Peace...Ganja
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dudeoflife
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Hey Ganja-
I would like to point out that this swelling wouldn't be happening if you had dumped all that H20 on those suckas only 2 days after your last watering on Friday.
Not to discredit the good intentions of everyone putting their 2 cents in about flushing... Cuz you know what? That just what you're gonna do- once those pots lighten up a bit.
So, the peeps were 100% right about flushing. The only misinformation was the timing of the flushing.
The damage you are seeing on the leaves that aren't heat stressed is because of salt accumulation in the soil. Not MG def. Not Ph. Salt buildup in the soil. It looks a lot like Mg lockout, K lockout, among many other things. Salt buildup is easy to diagnose, because of the clusterfuck of problems it likes to display- even when you know you are doing everything the right way. You say "There's no fucking way- I'm conservative with the nutes, correct ph, but rust spots?"
It has reared its ugly head since about day 30 of flowering, and has revealed itself in the guise of several different deficiencies over the past two weeks. That's the way it works.
Surprisingly, the damage you get from overwatering is a LOT worse than salt buildup. That's why I've been filibustering this thread like I have. lol.
No biggie. Seriously. The solution is so simple: patience + improving your conditions+ good h20.
PS- check your inbox!
I would like to point out that this swelling wouldn't be happening if you had dumped all that H20 on those suckas only 2 days after your last watering on Friday.
Not to discredit the good intentions of everyone putting their 2 cents in about flushing... Cuz you know what? That just what you're gonna do- once those pots lighten up a bit.
So, the peeps were 100% right about flushing. The only misinformation was the timing of the flushing.
The damage you are seeing on the leaves that aren't heat stressed is because of salt accumulation in the soil. Not MG def. Not Ph. Salt buildup in the soil. It looks a lot like Mg lockout, K lockout, among many other things. Salt buildup is easy to diagnose, because of the clusterfuck of problems it likes to display- even when you know you are doing everything the right way. You say "There's no fucking way- I'm conservative with the nutes, correct ph, but rust spots?"
It has reared its ugly head since about day 30 of flowering, and has revealed itself in the guise of several different deficiencies over the past two weeks. That's the way it works.
Surprisingly, the damage you get from overwatering is a LOT worse than salt buildup. That's why I've been filibustering this thread like I have. lol.
No biggie. Seriously. The solution is so simple: patience + improving your conditions+ good h20.
PS- check your inbox!
ganjaluva2009
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Way to bust my bubble Dude.Knock me right off my high horse..lol!!im kidding..So its basically all water weight is what ur saying.
You hit it right on the head on that one Dude. I was like "what the fuck is going on" Im on point with ph, nutes, everything and this happens?
What did i do? And i couldnt diagnose properly because like u said, its a clusterfuck of symptons all at one time.
So everytime i would look at a plant deficiency diagnostic thread it looked like a liitle of each def showing itself.
i was mind fucked.
So what is causing my salt to build up/is it something im doing?or using?
what r u looking for to identify the salt buildup? Thanks..Ganja
rastadred22
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my information states to let it dry out and keep a close eye on it then flush with phd water...y would i ever tell someone to dump in a huge ammount a water literally right after it was fed? i use this site to pass on information y would i pass on misinformation? also i thought it was a given that u flush wen the soil is dry not right on top of a wet pot and i dont understand where u are getting this heat problem from...?...all i see is a slight def. not any heat stress or a clusterfuck of def........but ay if that made u better im not goin to knock you...and it seems ur a bit bent on this overwatering thing...not everybody has a overwatering problem and neither does this grow and it wouldnt have with or without ur posts!
rastadred22
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also that def. is a cal mag i dont see anything else but that...if it isnt cal mag then it is a lockout aqdn if its a lockout the flush will help with that~!
rastadred22
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salt build up is due to overwatering unless u overwater u shouldnt have that problem and how do u kno it you are or arent? well u water until u get a slight run off and u water next wen it is dry
ganjaluva2009
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hey rasta what up? Im not understanding what ur sayin. i know im overwatering in i water and a slight run off comes out the bottom? Is that what ur saying?
rastadred22
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no u kno ur r not overwatering wen u water untill u see slight run off and u wait until it is fairly dry be4 u water again if u do not follow this then chances are u r overwatering...ive seen ur crop the, whole crop and i dont see this heat stress thing going on... and i dont see any signs of overwatering...2 updates ago u did a group shot and u can clearly see they are healthy all leaves are standing out str8 and not drooping...i really dont hink u overwater ur trees because u would have run into this problem alot sooner and with the heat stress it wouldnt have all of sudden become a problem unless u did something different..
ganjaluva2009
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yeah. I dont think i ever overwwatered except maybe when i tried to flush this shit out, but isnt that what flushing is, a massive overwatering? Anyway, i feed with nutes, once a week and maybe water with plain phd water, once in between. so im not leaning towards overwatering either.
rastadred22
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my guess is a lockout i mean there isnt one bit of clear evidence to suggest its heat stress but def. suggests a cal mag...just monitor it see how it reacts then continue to feed it with phd water then when u see she is healthier go bac to ur nutes...when i flush for def. i dont add double the size of the pot or what ever i just pour untill the runoff then i keep pourin untill the res fills up almost all the way then i leave it and monitor it...i mean thats just me idk if its right or wrong but it works for my ladies...i do however flush properly 2weeks prior to harvest...
rastadred22
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here is a post from someone who has the same problem u can compare and he is being given advice as we speak...https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/347914-balls-wall-grow-riddleme-gets-93.html
ganjaluva2009
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Thanks for all ur input rasta...much appreciatted...Peace..Ganja
dudeoflife
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I'm not accusing you of misinformation.
It's like this:
When I hopped on this thread Sunday night, Ganja was going to drown those puppies. Simple as that. Not saying you suggested to do so. Somehow the info was misconstrued to lead him to believe that flushing immediately was the next logical choice. No misinfo on your part
dudeoflife
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You can't really avoid salt buildup when you are using salt based fertilizers. That's not a bad thing, though, just requires maintenance.
You will be doing that maintenance once the medium dries up a little bit more. Well, if you so choose to....
What are you looking for? Well, you are looking at it! ahem. Seriously, though, salt buildups tend to show up first in the lower leaves & old growth, as a lot of problems do. Salt buildups in the soil manifest themselves as silvery flecks in the middle, middle/center of the leaf and work their way out, eventually causing the entire leaf to dry, lighten up, and weaken. This is not to be confused with the natural leaf drop of lower foliage being shaded by the canopy. That's why it's tricky to spot early. Once you get the silvery flecks collecting on the middle/upper leaves, then it is most likely salt buildup.
Most likely, as nothing in horticulture is truly black & white.
Anyway, it can be staved off by sticking to a practical schedule of leeching your plants every 30-45 days, as a rule of thumb. You are the best judge as to the timing. Say, leech after vegging for 30 days, for example, then again halfway through flowering- before you give that plant the heaviest feedings before finish. 2 leeches per grow, for example.
That's the only downside to working with salt-based ferts, is the maintenance. That shouldn't be a deal breaker though, because pros of using salt-based ferts far outweigh the cons. (come on, controversy!) Some people never leech and still see great results too- even with the zebra stripes and polka dots on their fan leaves. Not recommended, though.
dudeoflife
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One more thing, Ganja-
Let's settle this whole MG deficiency thing right now.
Give your plants a foliar spray of just h20. No epsom salts in it.
You should still see an improvement after applying just plain old h20. Try it!
Let's settle this whole MG deficiency thing right now.
Give your plants a foliar spray of just h20. No epsom salts in it.
You should still see an improvement after applying just plain old h20. Try it!
rastadred22
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ight man sorry for comin at u like dat kinda had a bad day and took it out on u a bit...
dudeoflife
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Nothin' but love and the pursuit of knowledge here. Here's a little K+ to cheer you up. <<< that's sooo overgrow....
ganjaluva2009
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I like that rasta. U keep it real. Dudeoflife is a very knowledgable person also, just like urself. And i see it on here all the time. Two people battling back and forth over there"opinions"But like the dude said. we all here to help each other not battle each other
ganjaluva2009
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Will do w/pics