Gastanker's 600+w Organic UV Grow

Gastanker

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i know what u mean but i just read your journals great grows man i love the organics your using I'm changing to that too what do you think of my soil mix
i also use aact
25lb of black kow compost
24qt of perlite
7lb of worm castings
.6lb of blood meal
.6lb of bonemeal
1 cup of powdered egg shells
4tbsp of epsom slat
1/2cup of fish/seaweed fertilizer
1 cup of rice baby cereal
and i have a bacteria and myco powder i put in the soil
any recommendations would be great or a grow book would be awesome i saw ur feeding schedule was a little confused on it.
Thanks! Glad to help. If you let me know what page I posted my feeding schedule I'll try and explain it to you (if you want me too)

Compost - slow release N and carbon source
Worm castings - quick release N
blood meal - slow/medium release N
bone meal - slow/medium release P
Seaweed - ? this a liquid? Like a 4-9-6?

What does 25 lbs of compost look like? That's around 3 cubic feet? Two bags worth? If it is equal to two bags of soil I would double the amount of amendments, add more bone meal or an additional P source (you should generally have more P than N), and add an additional K source. What is the fish/seaweed rated at? You have your calcium, carbon, minerals, and myco so other than increasing the amounts and increasing the ratio of bone meal I think it looks pretty good.
 

Gastanker

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I was really worried that this grow was going to fail for some reason but I can't get over how much it's impressing me. The plants are all very different, super trichy, super smelly and should yield decent. I really wish i had had the other two plants be females but I really don't think I'll be disappointed at all. The more indica strain in the back looks like it will be the big yielder even though it's a much smaller plant. It smells very cheesy and hopefully It'll be super poop smelling after a good cure - I've been hoping for a good shit smelling keeper. The rest of the plants are extremely fruity ranging from berries to cheesier mango.

The two tiny plant I just added are doing well - both female for the time being (one has a tendency to herm hard - trying to find the one that doesn't carry this trait)

Trich porn -

 

cough360

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id love to get to a point were I'm not using any bottled notes which i still am but i have a lot more to learn you doing great id like to get to a complete organic program. ok on the amount of compost its about half of a 1.5cu ft bag so are my amounts good with that and ill look into some p and k amendments maybe some other types of guanos, i also use fresh coffee grounds to bring the ph in the soil to around a 6.8. I've been thinking next time i may supplement some peat moss and mushroom compost for the manure compost next time and on the fish and seaweed fert its by neptunes its OMRI 2-3-1 .5% of the nitrogen is water insoluble.
 

cough360

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This is my honey b through into flower on dec 1 seems to have a def i flushed it am going to have ph of runoff soon its just in ffof. I have a chaze by flash seeds wich is an auto flower in my mix it seems to be doing decent its only in a gallon ill have a pic for you, and your feeding chart is on bottom of page 16 thanks for your help man.
 

Gastanker

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id love to get to a point were I'm not using any bottled notes which i still am but i have a lot more to learn you doing great id like to get to a complete organic program. ok on the amount of compost its about half of a 1.5cu ft bag so are my amounts good with that and ill look into some p and k amendments maybe some other types of guanos, i also use fresh coffee grounds to bring the ph in the soil to around a 6.8. I've been thinking next time i may supplement some peat moss and mushroom compost for the manure compost next time and on the fish and seaweed fert its by neptunes its OMRI 2-3-1 .5% of the nitrogen is water insoluble.
Ah, alot less compost material than I thought before. That sounds like you are pretty dead on. Id up the bone meal just a tad but other than that it's a good lineup for soil.

Screw that chart :)
Basic breakdown on nutes for pot goes like this - Lots of nitrogen to begin with during veg > medium nitrogen begging of flower and a bit of P > lots of P mid flower with just a tad of N and some K > no N medium P and K > harvest.

Most organic ammendments are not water soluble which means they much be broken down before use - essentially slow release. The rate at which these break down and become available has to do with the type of amendment as well as how it is processed (finely ground bone meal breaks down faster than roughly ground...).

So going organic you are trying to aim to have the soil release the correct amounts of each nutrient at the correct time. I vary my nutes based on what is available but here is the reasoning behind my mix:

Alfalfa meal or cotton seed meal - A small bit of nitrogen and a large amount of carbon that breaks down very slowly. The carbon helps feed the bacteria while it breaks down other nutrients and this slowly starts to feed the plant small amounts of nitrogen late into flower - you want some yellowing of leaves but you don't want them to all fall off early.

Bone meals - P source that breaks down fairly slowly to really slowly depending on form. This wont be available at the begging but starts to kick in towards flowering and provides most all of your P.

Blood meal, feather meal, fish meal - medium release nitrogen source. I would make sure to only use a small amount of these as they are the easiest way to provide too much N during flower and there's nothing you can do to stop the release once it's in the soil.

Bat/bird guanos - these are water soluble (immediately available) and are used to supplement the soil born amendments. Use N rich at the begging of veg to give it a huge N burst that dissipates quickly and to fortify P by top feeding or through teas during flower. If you have a N deficiency late in flower a bat guano tea would be your go to fix.

Kelp meal - fast, medium, slow release depending on form. K supplement for late flowering.

So I start off by adding bone meal, feather meal/fish meal, alfalfa meal, and N rich bat guano to the soil initially. The bone meal, alfalfa meal, and feather/fish meal sit there for the first several weeks starting to break down doing very little while my bat guano supplies fast release N. Once the bat guano starts to burn out the feather/fish meal kicks in to supply N in a lower quantity and the bone meal and kelp meal start to release P and K. As the feather/fish meal putters out the alfalfa meal takes its place. Later into flower as the bone meal and kelp meal starts you putter out you can supplement with P rich bat guano and kelp tea. At the end most everything should be used up.
 

mistyriffs

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Fuck. It's getting to the point where I'm antsy as fuck and growing more and more impatient by the day. At least two more weeks... Blah. There are large recognizable buds coated in trichomes, who sooo much longer? Two weeks is forever and everyday after than another eternity.

Must smoke more hash oil...
hahaha right!? it's amazing the difference you can see in just a day, but it still seems soooo long!


  • I've been hoping for a good shit smelling keeper​


hahahaha i love it. :clap:
 

cough360

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wow man that is awesome info i copy and pasted into my growing techniques document, awesome and yes i use hygrozyme to help with the break down of organic and now i have quick info on some things to look at id love to see a list of how you make your soil and amounts of ingredients. do u use blackstrap molasses at any time? and you've helped me start to grasp things a lot easier so thanks alot
 

Gastanker

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wow man that is awesome info i copy and pasted into my growing techniques document, awesome and yes i use hygrozyme to help with the break down of organic and now i have quick info on some things to look at id love to see a list of how you make your soil and amounts of ingredients. do u use blackstrap molasses at any time? and you've helped me start to grasp things a lot easier so thanks alot
I do use blackstrap molasses, I buy it by the 5 gallon bucket and it's the real stuff not the sweet pancake product found in grocery stores. True blackstrap has had so much of the sugar stripped from it that it's really bitter and nothing you would ever want to eat. The pancake stuff works wonders as well though.

My soil mixture varies based on what is available, how long I'm planning on vegging, size of container... My current 65 gallon smart pot has two bags of FF Happy Frog, ~10gallons of local river silt and clay, ~10gallons of compost, couple pounds of two different types of bone meal, 1/2 lb feather meal, kelp meal - not much but it was the expensive condensed water soluble version I purchased by mistake, chicken manure - not sure how much as it was whatever I found in the yard that day, few cups of N rich bat guano and I believe some alfalfa meal. I don't bother with myco/hygros due to using very active compost/native soil and have good water, soil pH, and Ca so never bother with lime.
 

hammer6913

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very nice bro but way over my head.. lol.but learning. keep up the good work. and o btw fuckin awesome pics man. nice tric porn.
 

cough360

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man its getting worse ill have ph of runoff here later ill use water with a ph of 6.5. I'm thinking nitrogen or sulfur idk though its also getting some purple stems. and I ya i can learn a lot from you
 

Gastanker

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DIY oil stone :)

I took an inert ceramic filter media and filed down one end to fit into my down stem, set the ceramic puck on the stove for half an hour to burn off anything that might have been lingering around. This porous ceramic piece gets really really hot and has a hole down the center so as long as you dab the top near the hole you catch all vapor.



 

Gastanker

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Progression - day from seed entering soil

Day 1,5,9


Day 13,18,20


Day 22, 29/5, 32/7


36/11
, 39/15, 41/17



48/22, 51/25, 58/32



62/36,
 

matthebrute

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whats the purpose of that small pot in the middle of the big planter with the tubing run to it? is that how you water them? why do you do it that way?

hehe lots of questions :) looks great tho i love pics like that that show the progress.
 

Gastanker

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whats the purpose of that small pot in the middle of the big planter with the tubing run to it? is that how you water them? why do you do it that way?

hehe lots of questions :) looks great tho i love pics like that that show the progress.
The tubes are my CO2, the tiny pot in the center was some miniature rose seeds that my fiancee had started and then killed - I was trying to rehab them but no luck. Notice the sunflower than popped up on the outskirts of the pot? hehe... I transplanted it outdoors where it's still alive but not doing much. Kinda wish I had grown it out indoors.
 

matthebrute

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The tubes are my CO2, the tiny pot in the center was some miniature rose seeds that my fiancee had started and then killed - I was trying to rehab them but no luck. Notice the sunflower than popped up on the outskirts of the pot? hehe... I transplanted it outdoors where it's still alive but not doing much. Kinda wish I had grown it out indoors.
yeah, im currently trying to grow bell peppers (wich are a pain in the A$$) cucumbers and tomatoe's indoors. they are growing but seem to be slow going. i definatly need more light on them right now i have 2 10" pots sharing 1 26w CFL. when i get a bit more money im going to set them up in a grow room.

I would put them in my cab but i want the kids to be able to watch them grow.

it took almost 3 weeks for the bell pepper seeds to come above soil. one actually just poped today that i dont have room for in the pots so i planted it in a small container and put it in my cab, kinda curious to see how much faster it grows compared to the one that is sharing the 1 bulb.
 
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