Gastanker's 600+w Organic UV Grow

Endur0xX

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hey Gas, I see that you are around, if you got some time to kill can you take a look at my post here and answer my question? I am looking for more opinion as to know if I should use my flora nova bloom. https://www.rollitup.org/organics/498137-question-flora-nova-bloom-day.html unless somebody tells me not to I will use this strong tea in about 6.5hours when the light goes on. nice looking buds by the way, they dont stop growing like mine seem to be doing!!!!Thanks
 

Gastanker

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hey Gas, I see that you are around, if you got some time to kill can you take a look at my post here and answer my question? I am looking for more opinion as to know if I should use my flora nova bloom. https://www.rollitup.org/organics/498137-question-flora-nova-bloom-day.html unless somebody tells me not to I will use this strong tea in about 6.5hours when the light goes on. nice looking buds by the way, they dont stop growing like mine seem to be doing!!!!Thanks
Same thing I posted in your journal -

Is floranova bloom organic? I've used it before with good results but I didn't know it was organic. Why do you feel you need it?

It is a good product IMO but not necessary if you hit all the bases with your amendments.


also , how often do you have to water this big container? evvery other day at this point?
More than I thought. I've been giving them around 5 gallons every third day and I feel like that is on the light side.
 

Endur0xX

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I feel I need it because my buds are growing much slower than yours!! just kidding ... I just feel like my soil may not be strong enough because my plants seems to have hit a plateau. Flora nova bloom is non organic. but my question anyway is mainly if it will hurt the microbe life in my soil since it's partly made of chemical... also i wont be able to say my pot was grown organically :(
 

Gastanker

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I feel I need it because my buds are growing much slower than yours!! just kidding ... I just feel like my soil may not be strong enough because my plants seems to have hit a plateau. Flora nova bloom is non organic. but my question anyway is mainly if it will hurt the microbe life in my soil since it's partly made of chemical... also i wont be able to say my pot was grown organically :sad:
Shouldn't hurt the microbe life at all if used at a reasonable amount. More organic is still better than less organic so if you feel you need the floranova go for it.

Gastanker, do you use R/O water?
Nope. I let my water sit out several days before use and use quite a bit of aquarium water but I don't bother with RO water nor pH adjusting my water.
 

Gastanker

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Awesome setup ... Looking forward to get my CFL's.. How many, and which kind would you recommend for a 4 plant setup?
4 plant set-up doesn't help me out as much as how much you would like to yield in a given time. I was yielding 1 oz a week with my 388w flower box and 23-60w veg box (450w maximum). If you do things correctly you can pull the same weight with the same wattage. I would run at least 250w of CFL at a time - the journals I have read that run less than this amount generally have stretchy poor yielding plants or have to grow very very tiny plants.
 

Psychild

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4 plant set-up doesn't help me out as much as how much you would like to yield in a given time. I was yielding 1 oz a week with my 388w flower box and 23-60w veg box (450w maximum). If you do things correctly you can pull the same weight with the same wattage. I would run at least 250w of CFL at a time - the journals I have read that run less than this amount generally have stretchy poor yielding plants or have to grow very very tiny plants.
for my first grow I used 4 42w CFL's and 8 26w CFL's......used bag seed and party cups so my yield was terrible. I'm sure if you used 1-2 42w per plant + 2-4 26w per plant, depending on the strain and how much it stretches, that would be plenty of light. √ but as always, 26w will always do the trick.

Proof:
https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-fluorescent-lighting/380156-4th-cfl-grow-jungle-growth-273.html
 

Gastanker

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what are you hoping to get yield wise?
Eh, I really hate to hope for a particular yield. I would guess that if I had an additional two plants like originally I would have yielded around 13oz. With just the four plants I want to say 8-9oz. If you figure a lb/1kW light than a 600 should yield 9.6oz at the same ratio - and I'm two plants short :(
 

matthebrute

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i think you will do better than that man, those buds are nice and dense and pretty big.

did you see Stealthy's grow, 17.5 Oz off 1 plant in a small cab much like mine ?
 

Gastanker

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i think you will do better than that man, those buds are nice and dense and pretty big.

did you see Stealthy's grow, 17.5 Oz off 1 plant in a small cab much like mine ?
I might have... Send me a link? I was just going over a 250w cab grow - guy pulled over a half pound which impressed me a ton until I did the math. Most of these small cab grows that look like they yield super well off single plants are actually doing terrible g/kWh - the one I was looking at had a 100day veg and was over 180days total... After you factored in the long veg even with a half pound from a 250w you aren't doing very well - could have completed 3 shorter grows yielding 4oz a piece, more bud and not a crazy long wait.
 

matthebrute

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https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/320402-stelthys-600w-hps-project-new-107.html

looks like he started around november of 2010 so the grow took him almost a year but im not really sure cuz skimming through the journal i seen he had a post that said 30 bud sites with small buds formed in feb 2011 and he just finished up a harvest not too long ago so i dont think it took him 6-8 months to flower out lol. he must have put 2 grows in the same journal

the cab this guy built is phenominal, i would love to be able to build something dimilar but i will never have that kind of cash or know how on the DIY aspect to build it. but it is super stealth and just a sweet piece of Art/work
 

Endur0xX

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I think it was his second harvest out of that cabinet this year, the first one the harvest was a bit disappointing (compared with the new harvest hehe) and I am not sure he was running the 600W then. no way he would spend 300 days growing a plant in a cab in hydroponic haha
 

Gastanker

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Great looking cab. I don't see why you couldn't make the same thing.

Stelthy is a great grower with a great cab - this is in no way a dig at him, just a pointer on what it takes to hit 1lb with a 600w. His first grow started 11/24 and ended 4/11 yielding 9.3oz total (post 1838 ). If I did my math correctly that is a 20 week grow. Second grow yielded him 17oz, started 7/20 ended 11/28 which should be a 19 week grow. Lets just look at the second grow:

I'll assume he flowered for 9 weeks which means that's a 10week veg. So that's 756 kWhs for just the 10 week veg at 18/6 (pretty sure I read that was his veg light - would be more extreme with 20/4). A nine week flower is 453 kWh. So instead of a single 19 week grow he could have had two grows, each with a 2week veg and 9week flower.

2week veg 9 week flower = 151.2 + 453.6 = 604.8kWh total
10week veg 9 week flower = 756 + 453.6 = 1209.6kWh total

Funny thing is that people are typically not impressed with an 8 oz grow with a 2 week veg even though it is the equivalent of a 1lb grow with a 10 week veg - same exact $/g...

Personally I should be yielding 12+oz a round so If I had vegged 10 weeks with my 6 plants and had not hit 1.5lbs I would be disappointed - I have a larger space than he does though, not sure how 1.5lbs would have fit in his cab - what he managed was a crazy yield for such a small area.
 

matthebrute

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I think it was his second harvest out of that cabinet this year, the first one the harvest was a bit disappointing (compared with the new harvest hehe) and I am not sure he was running the 600W then. no way he would spend 300 days growing a plants in a cab in hydroponic haha
i think he probally had close to 1000W between his HPS and all his flouros
 

matthebrute

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Great looking cab. I don't see why you couldn't make the same thing.

Stelthy is a great grower with a great cab - this is in no way a dig at him, just a pointer on what it takes to hit 1lb with a 600w. His first grow started 11/24 and ended 4/11 yielding 9.3oz total (post 1838 ). If I did my math correctly that is a 20 week grow. Second grow yielded him 17oz, started 7/20 ended 11/28 which should be a 19 week grow. Lets just look at the second grow:

I'll assume he flowered for 9 weeks which means that's a 10week veg. So that's 756 kWhs for just the 10 week veg at 18/6 (pretty sure I read that was his veg light - would be more extreme with 20/4). A nine week flower is 453 kWh. So instead of a single 19 week grow he could have had two grows, each with a 2week veg and 9week flower.

2week veg 9 week flower = 151.2 + 453.6 = 604.8kWh total
10week veg 9 week flower = 756 + 453.6 = 1209.6kWh total

Funny thing is that people wouldn't be impressed with an 8 oz grow with a 2 week veg even though it is the equivalent of a 1lb grow with a 10 week veg.
any big ScROG with just 1 plant is going to be a long vegg, out of the hobby of it i would prefer the long veg over the short one just because it is amazing what you can do with just 1 plant. granted there probally is a more efficient way of doing it but if your like me and enjoy the hobby side of it then it may be worth it. to others who are just in it for the $$ or a fast crop then its probally not worth it, i guess it all depends on what your in it for. i am in it for the crop and i enjoy growing it.

i plan on doing something similar when i build my new cab but im also going to be runing a perpetual SoG in the same cab so that im getting constant crops.

and i probally could make the same thing. but im really not that crafty.
 

Gastanker

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Hehe. I grow for the hobby of it but I like variation. If I had my choice and there were no plant limits I would grow damn near 12/12 from seed or 12/12 from rooted clones. High plant counts and short run times = more strains I can fuck around with. I would LOVE to start legitimately breeding and to breed you want fast fast cycles - 3x3 trays with 12 plants per tray would equal a ton of fast generations and genetic swapping potential. Hell, it would be nice if they upped plant count just so that I could keep a few dedicated mothers.
 
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