Gastanker's 600+w Organic UV Grow

flowamasta

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what the!!!?? damn, that sucks Gas, we all know there is always gonna be some dicks in this world, illegal substances to me is all the others other than erb ;) I couldn't do it if i thought of it like that, I wish the world would just be more open about erb......damn where did that come from?? I guess i just tell myself these things to keep at ease, oh yeah, i need another filter.....bad surely the filter would still work, there's no leaks, its fairly old, and i clean the inside out every grow, it's sucking the heat out good as gold....have you ever had that issue? I'm looking at new filters now, cause i can't get hold of 'my mentor' that special time i guess for him.....
 

Gastanker

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what the!!!?? damn, that sucks Gas, we all know there is always gonna be some dicks in this world, illegal substances to me is all the others other than erb ;) I couldn't do it if i thought of it like that, I wish the world would just be more open about erb......damn where did that come from?? I guess i just tell myself these things to keep at ease, oh yeah, i need another filter.....bad surely the filter would still work, there's no leaks, its fairly old, and i clean the inside out every grow, it's sucking the heat out good as gold....have you ever had that issue? I'm looking at new filters now, cause i can't get hold of 'my mentor' that special time i guess for him.....
Filters do go bad after a while but you might try putting it out in the sun on a dry day. Humidity really kills the charcoals ability to absorb and filters absorb quite a bit of moisture so if you can dry the filter out real well it'll increase it's life.
 

psari

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And for recycling/revitalizing, you can "wash" and bake them.

Best results (personal testing only, not in general) were removal of the material by submersion in water and then washes/submersions of H202/50% and Muriatic Acid. Most of what gets trapped is organic micro-particles that bind with other dusts and clog out the micro-fracturing pores. Using the wash can gain you back about 60% of the surface area again. Then oven or kiln cook them. (60% was the best I could determine under a scope with oven at 450F ... About 85% with the kiln but wasteful energy wise unless you're already running one for other uses.)

Just in case you're pressed for costs in new filter acquisition and have the stuff around. Or simply because you like to muck with it. <-- I'm rather guilty of testing things.

The H202 is spendy but Muriatic is cheap and common enough. Other corrosives including bleach could be used to help remove/loosen the organics bound in those surfaces. I simply use what I have around.


As mentioned, humidity is a bugger for keeping them from fast accumulation. Experimented with using polysorbate pre-filtering, but was too much of a pain in the ass.


Just two cents from my playing around over the years.


Cheers.
 

flowamasta

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Filters do go bad after a while but you might try putting it out in the sun on a dry day. Humidity really kills the charcoals ability to absorb and filters absorb quite a bit of moisture so if you can dry the filter out real well it'll increase it's life.
And for recycling/revitalizing, you can "wash" and bake them.

Best results (personal testing only, not in general) were removal of the material by submersion in water and then washes/submersions of H202/50% and Muriatic Acid. Most of what gets trapped is organic micro-particles that bind with other dusts and clog out the micro-fracturing pores. Using the wash can gain you back about 60% of the surface area again. Then oven or kiln cook them. (60% was the best I could determine under a scope with oven at 450F ... About 85% with the kiln but wasteful energy wise unless you're already running one for other uses.)

Just in case you're pressed for costs in new filter acquisition and have the stuff around. Or simply because you like to muck with it. <-- I'm rather guilty of testing things.

The H202 is spendy but Muriatic is cheap and common enough. Other corrosives including bleach could be used to help remove/loosen the organics bound in those surfaces. I simply use what I have around.


As mentioned, humidity is a bugger for keeping them from fast accumulation. Experimented with using polysorbate pre-filtering, but was too much of a pain in the ass.


Just two cents from my playing around over the years.


Cheers.
WOW!~! you know what i never even thought about that! thank you guys for that useful information! i do notice my humidity creeps up around 70 % when lights off, i gather the filter would suck up alot of moisture, as well as being a constant vaccum bag sucking the dust out of your house and into the filters pores, i notice after my grow, when i detach my filter i use the brush end on the vacum, and it sucks up quite a bit of shit. how long do they really last?? 5-8 grows, keeping clean? and to remember guys i do the blow through method, buy sucking out of my tent and through my filter, to save room, and i think works more efficiently. or on par atleast
 

polyarcturus

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dman good pst psari put that in my journal for later i too have a filter acting up, but it scrubs 24/7 in a 60% humidity room been needing to dry it out and clean it good advice
 

flowamasta

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dman good pst psari put that in my journal for later i too have a filter acting up, but it scrubs 24/7 in a 60% humidity room been needing to dry it out and clean it good advice
i honestly would of thought the heat sucked out from my lighhood would be enough, but now thinking that the tent humidity rises when lights off, that could be an issue. I'm guessing humidity rises because there is no heat from the lamps to disperse the moisture??? how have people combated this issue? a de-humidifier would be costly. do you think less feeding during lights off, or that could dry the roots out too much.....
 

Gastanker

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My avatar? It's gas... ;) Methane to be exact. I sport Butane on other forums.

Polies is a bit more G - super star to the extreme.
 

Gastanker

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G equaling good. Or gangster or what ever the fuck it stands for but in this case I mean good. Less boring than methane.
 

flowamasta

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My avatar? It's gas... ;) Methane to be exact. I sport Butane on other forums.

Polies is a bit more G - super star to the extreme.
I meant that It was Cluey ;) good thinking, not many people would guess it!
You're not just 'the average' grower. Clearly you have great ideas, and awesome knowledge
 

psari

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Let's just say I'm big into recycling. :)

Typical use "cleaned" filters for first pass or in a pinch only is where I stand on them. So, on ground, in place filter, with newer filters up top or what not. Or run as first pass inline even. Used one acts as a moisture trap and all that. Hence my current design headaches on trying to incorporate passive dehumidification to cut down on various problems with corrosion and filter overloads ... Using road salt has been working but I'm trying to figure out what to do with the waste product. In theory it can be reprocessed with a solar parabolic and flashed dry that way ... etc. Meh. Thinking out loud again. Or is it typing out loud.


Recycling is not perfect, but considering the costs per year to replace giant cans, anything to recoup on those costs is a benefit. The industry as a whole says just turn your carbon into mulch/ground amendment as all the methods dont work. Which is true eventually. But if you have access to some basics and the time (which is where most people just say F' it) then purge and bake dry. Cause while I support making a pence or two, I dont support the greed of the hydro industry as a whole.

Glad it was some insight. I had thought this was more common somewhere in the mix. But I find I dont think right ... or common.


Which reminds me, you lose, get some settling etc. when you pull them apart and throw them back together. (Again, common sense but seems like not saying it is worse.) Always a good idea to have several extra liters of new material to top them off or some leftovers from previous. Not always. Sometimes you have extra and end up shaking them to death trying to get it to fit again. But running a little short after losing from screening/cleaning, is a royal pain as the filter is not going to function.


And as a by the by, it's not fool-proof unless you run it through a kiln in some ways (re-fracturing from moisture escape and bio-material vaporization). Lots of details there, but if you have a kiln, its pretty common sense on how you want to sun dry as much as possible and all the rot. The oven to some degree as well (pardon the pun) ... You do want to take advantage of the UV spectrum (helps with getting remnant solvent out as well) but also to cut down on the silly steam and such. Those darn things hold an incredible amount of moisture. Not as much as other things or we'd see lots of charcoal hempy grows, but enough to warrant the extra care.


Key point, it helps, does work (better than water or 200 PSI air blasting alone), eventually becomes great amendment, plan on a new filter once a year if running perpetual or 3/4 cycle to be safe and sane.


Oh and for reducing humidity during lights off? Either pay the piper on the dehumidifier or just plan on having more filter maintenance. The tent is the limiting factor on just how much you can really do. And the change-up on the cycle may only give you a marginal gain in ambient but a huge potential for other problems with your roots ... Problem is the plumbing with the blow through ... Just not enough wiggle room. Thinking cap went south on me about now though ...

Running passive drying mediums on the intake going to the tent may be something to look into. Wish you had a smidge more room to not do a push. It really can make a difference (IME).
 

Gastanker

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Bought myself a gift :) Grabbed a second old Zippo Contempo to match the one I already had. My thought is that I'll eventually loose one of them and they are getting harder and harder to find. Turns out the new one has a straight flame versus the bent flame so now I have one for my pipes and one for everything else :) If anyone is every thinking of purchasing a long lasting refillable lighter I highly suggest these.

 
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