Gerneral consensus on harvesting...wrong?

Phytoplankton

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Again. It took 7 days to go from clear to cloudy. Today's is day 9 and they appear to be staying cloudy. PRESERVATION of thc is my assumption... Not degredation....
While sure it is a ying/yang thing and I can understand people liking more Amber's. The topic is maximizing thc though. Not cbd.
Your premise is that the clear trichs turning cloudy after harvest increased the THC ("evolving" your words). And again, how do you know that the THC increased, and that the clears turning cloudy isn't just a product of curing with no increase in THC? Certainly by your own words, the cloudy didn't "evolve" into amber, so you really can't have it both ways. I'm out.
 

dank'd

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these studies by utah state i would believe over decades of hearsay

they did trials with many different strains and 40 days from flip is where the thc and cbd starts to drop. they analyze flowers constantly throughout flowering

also most tent/home growers who grow with hid are running their crops way too hot to get maximum thc/cbd production. they found that in enclosed spaces, anything over 26c will lower cannabinoid levels and by 29c it cuts in half(!)

but try to tell the industry they have to overnight a) stop manufacturing all high phosphorous flowering fertilizer, and b) stop recommending hids to be used with grow tents
 

mudballs

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Again. It took 7 days to go from clear to cloudy. Today's is day 9 and they appear to be staying cloudy. PRESERVATION of thc is my assumption... Not degredation....
While sure it is a ying/yang thing and I can understand people liking more Amber's. The topic is maximizing thc though. Not cbd.
That's called dehydration. The water is what gave the trichome the clarity...clear trichomes are more water than lipid structure, so they are clear
Why is my THC distillate clear?
The process is repeated to remove any impurities, such as leftover solvents or lipids, in the concentrate
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Now with that said, can you tell me why there isnt a single clear trichome on the above pic? ...plz say dehydration so we can all go home
 

Nope_49595933949

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That's called dehydration. The water is what gave the trichome the clarity...clear trichomes are more water than lipid structure, so they are clear
Why is my THC distillate clear?
The process is repeated to remove any impurities, such as leftover solvents or lipids, in the concentrate
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Now with that said, can you tell me why there isnt a single clear trichome on the above pic? ...plz say dehydration so we can all go home
You just don't get it. He has a microscope, so he has done his scientific due diligence.
 

dankydank1973

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Your premise is that the clear trichs turning cloudy after harvest increased the THC ("evolving" your words). And again, how do you know that the THC increased, and that the clears turning cloudy isn't just a product of curing with no increase in THC? Certainly by your own words, the cloudy didn't "evolve" into amber, so you really can't have it both ways. I'm out.
I think you clearly continue to miss the words preservation and degradation. But continue, please. Lol. Peace
 

CavanalCannabis

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While we’re on the subject, here’s some good ones I took in my little commercial op, indoor, LED, no rush to harvest, all organic soil grown. Kept cool, less than 75f, always. Extra care post harvest. There’s a decent window for harvesting at peak or optimal ripeness. I’ve almost never been disappointed harvesting later, but definitely don’t like green immature early buds, so my preference is later is better than earlier.
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I almost never find amber trichomes, ever. Even seeded plants flowering for 11-14 weeks sometimes. I rarely harvested anything before 10 weeks of 11:13, usually in the 11 week range for most. Green early herb is not as good.
 

MATTYMATT726

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Dispensary weed sucks because it's sprayed with shit every week and fed a horrible diet that fucks up secondary metabolism start to finish. Fact is most strains don't need longer than 8 weeks when grown properly. Meaning no calnit buds.. Another fact is most home grown weed is not great weed. It WAS, 30 years ago. Not today. Gee, wonder what technological advancements have changed the way cannabis is grown the past 30 years.. Fuckin Al Gore..


"Amber" trichs are no different than "amber" leaves. Crusty emaciated PKMgSB deficient light-fried crap. Taco leafed burnt margin crud. If you can snap a sugar leaf in half at harvest, you grow crap. Don't be mad at me I don't sell shitty fertilizer to everyone and spread nonsense to dodge the fact that pot experts running pot fertilizer companies are not knowledgeable or honest about the most important aspect of growing: Nutrition. Watch a hundred random potcasts on how to increase quality. Refrigerators, humidifiers, magnifying glasses, new seeds, cannabis prayer mats. Not one mention of potassium lol.

Ponder: Why does leaf get amber trichs before calyx? Same reason "fade" is a thing perhaps? Nutrients leaving the leaves because you're under feeding finish nutes. No one's "fade" seems to include -nitrogen anymore lol. Do you think fuckin up nutrients to fry a plant and turn its trichs brown is somehow speeding up harvest? Then rush it to darkness to keep the brown trichs from turning... ...brown? And refrigerate it to sustain the emaciated mess? Grow forum logic literally makes no sense.

Curing is a myth around these parts because all the weed is pre-fried and kept wet to compensate for the fact that metabolism isn't continuing after harvest. Everyone seems to admit their leaves are dark as fuck but does nothing to address the major nutrient imbalance. Nuts.

If you refrigerate your weed before the 1 year mark, you have no valid input on growing. Most pot growers are delusional sheep. Sorry. Most would get swastika tattoos if their favorite celebrity youtube grower announced he was a nazi. I've given up on my kids generation. Maybe the internet will go down (please Russia) and my grandkids will be able to have logical conversations with plant growers (actual oldest profession on earth, not prostitution you pervs).

I'm sure I've already told the story of buying someone's "premature" weed, doing a basic post harvest treatment, involving heat light and nutrition, not moisty packs and refrigerators. Selling it back to the growers for twice the price, so I won't go into details.

I harvest clear sugary smelling trichs. Curing turns them milky and acidic, and strain specific, no reggie terps or botanical vape pen terps allowed. I grow weed for people who like weed. I never see amber and never want to. Yall internet folk should smoke out a blind man some day. Or simply anyone who isn't preconditioned by the legal era Cannabis dogma priests.


Let's back up and ask that one basic question again.. Why do pot growers who believe in amber trichs and don't understand flushing, rush their plants to darkness immediately after chop? Are they afraid the light is going to burst their photosynthesis factories into flames? No. It's because their shit is emaciated and they subconsciously know it's already been fried by light due to poor nutrition. Magnesium Boron Potassium deficiency is the sole reason for light burn. Everyone seems to use calnit until harvest and lock those out. The "flush everything or nothing" crowds have no understanding. They all over value their own weed,keep it wet pretend it's dank. Honestly kinda funny how everyone thinks their own weed is the best when most home grown is not different from the dispo shit. Just a little wetter usually lol. And maybe half the pesticides?
K.
 

Phytoplankton

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I think you clearly continue to miss the words preservation and degradation. But continue, please. Lol. Peace
Below is your original post, show me the words preservation and degradation? When challenged, you started adding all kinds of other caveats. Still no evidence whatsoever that the trichs "Evolve" after harvest. But hey, if you want to harvest immature bud, go for it.

Fellow growers. What's happening!

So as the title says, is the general consensus on when to harvest....wrong? I'm starting to think so. Here's why.

Since I've bought a microscope I've been checking out all the dankest weeds that get me the highest. Theryre always solid milky trichs. VERY few if any amber, and always a few clears.

Now the consensus seems to be to wait until the plant is showing mostly milky before harvest. Until the plant is mostly colored/receding pistols...

However. I harvested a few branches to test.. upon harvest I had a couple amber and the rest clear. After a 7 day dry in the cannatrol, they are SOLID milky, with a couple Amber's. This means one thing. If properly dried, the trichromes Continue to evolve after harvest. Leading me to believe the general population is harvesting way too late.

Another thing about harvesting. These times (when trichs are still clear) actually line up with breeder reccomendations on when to harvest. I always read and hear the breeder times are way off. People go weeks past them. I'm starting to think the breeders are right. And the general population is wrong.
 

dankydank1973

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Below is your original post, show me the words preservation and degradation? When challenged, you started adding all kinds of other caveats. Still no evidence whatsoever that the trichs "Evolve" after harvest. But hey, if you want to harvest immature bud, go for it.
Preservation and degradation are all in this post. Go back and read like you should've done in school. They weren't introduced until I was questioned on the why... I pointed out an observation. Which actually happened. Some of you chime in like deuchebags with nothing to offer the thread other than shit talk. But hey, if being a dick is your thing, by all means, continue.
 

Dorian2

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What did you mean when you said trichomes continue to "evolve" after the chop? Are you saying that trichomes continue to develop? My understanding is that they may continue to develop for 2 or 3 days after chop, then the trichs begin to degrade, which is a form of evolving I suppose.
 

Thundercat

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imo i would take early harvested weed over late harvested weed every day of the week
Lmao "late harvested weed". Its nearly impossible to accidentally harvest too late, the only times I've seen anything that could be considered late harvested it was done intentionally to see how the plant would react.

on the contrary I've seen tons of early harvested weed. Lots, as a matter of fact, from experienced growers that clearly still don't/didn't understand plant maturity and harvest windows. Dispensaries are full of early harvested crap that just gets rushed to market so they can cash in on another crop.
 

dankydank1973

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What did you mean when you said trichomes continue to "evolve" after the chop? Are you saying that trichomes continue to develop? My understanding is that they may continue to develop for 2 or 3 days after chop, then the trichs begin to degrade, which is a form of evolving I suppose.
Basically what I meant is change. They were clear at harvest and milky after dried.
 

Dorian2

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Basically what I meant is change. They were clear at harvest and milky after dried.
They do change from drying and curing. But I believe the problem lies in the fact that the trichomes haven't properly developed into their full potency when clear. I recently read a paper (don't ask me which one) that a good plant will continue developing trichs throughout the entire growth. So you'll still have multiple clear trichs even when the buds are ripe. Could be what you're seeing is almost developed trichomes possibly maturing and developing withing that 3 days grace period. In the end, maybe follow the guidance of some of the very good and experienced growers on this site without relying on conjecture or supposition. The reality is that a number of these guys have put a LOT of time into growing and curing. Some have a very complete understanding of basic and advanced plant horticulture and botany.

I ain't gonna read through all the scientific info and specifics some of these dudes already know through trial, error, and education of plant botany. I trust a number of specific people's word on the situation on this site.
 
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Phytoplankton

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Preservation and degradation are all in this post. Go back and read like you should've done in school. They weren't introduced until I was questioned on the why... I pointed out an observation. Which actually happened. Some of you chime in like deuchebags with nothing to offer the thread other than shit talk. But hey, if being a dick is your thing, by all means, continue.
What a pithy comeback. When you can't support your statement, you start calling names, very mature! The trichs turn cloudy because, as another member pointed out, the water inside the trichs is evaporating, leaving the lipids, which become cloudy, eventually even the lipids turn into a crystal resin. Once harvested the main things that degrade THC are heat and light over time, so if you want to "Preserve" and reduce "Degradation", store your pot in a cool dark place. I read the article you posted, and it really doesn't support what you're saying. BTW, I do have a Minor in botany, so I know how to read tech journals/articles, I used to write em.
 
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