Get a Harvest Every 2 Weeks

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insanestang4life

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Hey, AL how is that sulfur burner you put in a while back treating you? Also, I think the last time you talked about your yield before you put up the cooltubes you said you were gettin like an oz/plant has that gone up any in the past month or so?
 

doggiepaddel11

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Al B Fuct, how long is the flowering cycle for sweet tooth? You said that your clones dont start producing bud weight until wk 3 or four. That only leaves 4 wks for the bud to get right....and normally it takes 6-8 right? or am I reading the flowering times wrong?
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
can I get all four of these 'two week cycles' in the one tent with the one bulb?
Yep!

If so, I am assuming that it would be a good idea to rotate the plants so none of them are getting too much or too little of the one bulb, right?
Yep! :)

With this set up would it be a good idea to start training the lower branches to grow up making it like an orange tree rather than a x-mas tree so to speak.
What lower branches? Those are gone on page 1... err... in wk 1 & 3. ;)

It looks like you are only growing a main cola, I understand you are trying to get the plant to concentrate it's energy into that area but couldn't I get a larger harvest by training the lower branches like I mention above, hight is not really a major concern for me, well up to 6' as this is the size of the tent.
Man, you really need to read page 1.

This thread is about a Sea of Green op. We deliberately grow short plants with no side branching for a reason in SoG. The yield is made up by growing a 'sea' of small individual plants. This puts the budmass within the highest intensity part of the light pattern. To produce a good yield, SoG employs about 4 plants per sq ft. We only grow the top cola in SoG so the avg bud size and density is the best it can be.

From just one page back in this thread:

This is a recurring theme- many people seem to think that it's absolutely necessary to veg clones before flowering or that it will improve the yield in a SoG op like mine. Vegging clones won't increase the yield- but it will degrade the average bud quality (size & density) because plants will finish too tall. Most folks discount the fact that cannabis plants don't switch from veg to flower mode overnight- it takes about 4 weeks in 12/12 for a clone which has always been under veg cycle lighting to fully switch from gaining vertical height to making bud mass. We rely in this remaining veg growth to bring 9" clones to 33-36" by wk 4, which is the approximate height they will be in wk 8. This perfectly suits the light pattern from a 1000HPS. If the plants are taller by the finish, the buds low on the stem will develop poorly compared to those higher up. Vegging after rooting will make them finish around 6-8" taller per week of veg.
Hey, AL how is that sulfur burner you put in a while back treating you? Also, I think the last time you talked about your yield before you put up the cooltubes you said you were gettin like an oz/plant has that gone up any in the past month or so?
I *think* the sulfur burner is doing the job. There were some plants that had a fairly nasty coating of PM when I put the 'burner' in there. I sprayed those with a lime sulfur mix, which knocks down established PM quite a lot but doesn't eliminate it. There's a little bit of dustiness reappearing on the plants that I had to spray but the ones which were babies when the 'burner' went in and had not picked up any PM yet are all still PM free. I didn't spray the babies this time, just to see if the 'burner' would work.

I stuffed up a batch of plants somewhere along the way- I think I screwed up the pH in wk 1-2 for the plants which are now in wk 6-8, causing them to 'rosette' or remain very short and have small fan leaves. This is the first batch that has had its whole life under cooltubes, but since they were damaged by non-heat related means, won't be a good example of yield with cooltubes.

Al B Fuct, how long is the flowering cycle for sweet tooth?
8 weeks.

You said that your clones dont start producing bud weight until wk 3 or four.
I wrote that they begin packing on bud weight in earnest after about wk 3-4. Buds start forming 5-7 days after introduction to 12/12. Same as any other op.
 

Enigma

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Oh ok, I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm guessing that sweet tooth is a sativa, no? How big do you cut your clones?
Go to page one and read.. seriously.. all these questions have been asked before.

When I came online I read for weeks before posting questions.

Cliff Notes: He likes big clones, about 9" with thick stems for better root production.

:peace:

:blsmoke:

Enigma
 

lawrencex34

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Hey al b, This is the best thread i ever read!
Im going to do this exact setup and i have a few questions i read through the whole thread and i hope these questions havent been anwsered.

I have a 10x10ft room and Im using 4 3x3 floodtables to make kind of a square of 6x6
1-How much wattage of light do you think i should use
2-I want to use a EZ cloner to clone, but that would iliminate rockwool cubes so i was wondering whats the next best way? Can i just use the EZ cloner and when they root put them straight into hydroton rocks? Or what do you think
3-I set up all the ventaltion and filters for the room but i need a seperate area for my mothers how do i do that without blocking off ventalation but not letting light go through? Like if i use panda film that would block off the ventalation. ANy sugestions?

THANKS AL B!
 

lush1

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Alright Al. what do you reckon to using 25 x 180mm square 6 litre pots on a 3ft x 3ft table? I think the pots would give good room for root growth but at 6 litres per pot thats a hell of alot of medium/water.

Was wondering if more volume on a pot on this sort of op would be a hinderence rather than an advantage.

Cheers mate.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Hey al b, This is the best thread i ever read!
Thanks. :)

Im going to do this exact setup and i have a few questions i read through the whole thread and i hope these questions havent been anwsered.
These have all been covered at least once, some several times.

Admittedly, this thread is now too long to be a handy reference, but if you did go through the whole thing, all your questions would be answered. I'll cover them again for your convenience.

I have a 10x10ft room and Im using 4 3x3 floodtables to make kind of a square of 6x6

1-How much wattage of light do you think i should use
HPS lighting works well for flowering at 50W/sq ft or better.

Horizontal tube light fixtures/reflectors (preferably double parabola or 'batwing' type) lay down a rectangular light pattern. Put your tables in pairs and use one 1000HPS over each pair.

2-I want to use a EZ cloner to clone, but that would iliminate rockwool cubes so i was wondering whats the next best way? Can i just use the EZ cloner and when they root put them straight into hydroton rocks? Or what do you think
You could use the 'ez cloner' (wotever that is, presuming an aerocloner of some flavour, I don't know every brand name for such things), but it's very easy to damage roots when they are not contained in some sort of medium. Cloning in RW cubes protects the roots and mechanically stabilises the clone when it is planted into your choice of media.

3-I set up all the ventaltion and filters for the room but i need a seperate area for my mothers how do i do that without blocking off ventalation but not letting light go through? Like if i use panda film that would block off the ventalation. ANy sugestions?
yep - see here.

Alright Al. what do you reckon to using 25 x 180mm square 6 litre pots on a 3ft x 3ft table? I think the pots would give good room for root growth but at 6 litres per pot thats a hell of alot of medium/water.

Was wondering if more volume on a pot on this sort of op would be a hinderence rather than an advantage.
You can get away with really rather small pots of absorbent media so you can jam in more plants. I don't think I'd use pots much smaller than about 1L in volume, though. Keep in mind that the smaller the volume of media per plant, the shorter the amt of failsafe time where the plant can survive in the event of a pump/timer failure.

You're right, though- bigger isn't always better. The plant will take a certain amt of time to suck up the water stored in the media (depending on the size of the plant). The ideal arrangement is to use no more media than required to support the water needs of the plant through about 24 hours as most of the dissolved O2 will dissipate in that time. If there's so much water capacity that the plant can't take up all the water before the dissolved O2 is gone, they won't grow as quickly as they could with smaller amts of media per plant, which get flooded more frequently with freshly and fully oxygenated nute soln.

Plants in non-absorbent media like pellets or lava rock can be flooded 3-4x daily. The 1 litre minimum size is still a good idea so there's enough room for roots.
 

lawrencex34

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Thanks Al b!
Im sorry but can you explain your thread on how to ventalate the mothers a little differnt? This is my first grow and i don't really understand what you mean. Thankss!
 

We TaRdED

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Could you be a bit more specific? What don't you understand?
hes was talking about how to ventalate the mothers a little differnt!!! duhhh... i guess that EE degree didnt do you much good now did it?

lmao, im so joking.... it is very funny how someone could expect an answer from such a vague question.... sometimes noobs dont know their ass from their elbow(it happens to all of us at one point) and dont know how to ask their question because they are so lost:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

:peace:
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Well, I try not to bite the newbs, WeT. You should try too. ;)

On the other hand, someone who should be experienced but still comes up with nutball stuff is fair game for a bit of teasing. :twisted:
 

lawrencex34

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Sorry, Ok let me try to ask this more specificaly.

Lets say i use panda film to seperate the mother area, Id have to seal off the area so no light leaks to my flowering plants. But then no ventalation would get to the mothers.
So if i use duct do i just cut a circle into the panda film?
And I use a blower with the duct?
Also i dont understand how to make the light trap out of cardboard

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions but im this is my first grow. THanks everyone
 

We TaRdED

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Well, I try not to bite the newbs, WeT. You should try too. ;)
i did cite how it happens to all of us at one point:mrgreen: ...if someone has a vague question i shoot them over to GROWFAQ because i know they will have a plethora of questions answered there....

On the other hand, someone who should be experienced but still comes up with nutball stuff is fair game for a bit of teasing. :twisted:
i know your not referring to my beliefs that 911 was an inside job and the fact that i think we might be able to harvest "free" energy with the implementation of magnets!!! i have lots of resources that support my conclustion of 911, and my opinions are not contingent upon a whim of one vid that i have seen. as far as the free energy thing goes, i think it is highly possible that there are ways to harvest "free" energy but the billionaires that control the energy/oil monopoly wont let this happen readily:cry:


lmao, im not going to argue about it with you because your more articulate than me and could beat me in a debate.. thats why i simply asked what your opinions are on the subjects:mrgreen:

edit- i love you al B, you give me my twinkle in my eye :lol:


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ta2drvn

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Man, you really need to read page 1.

This thread is about a Sea of Green op. We deliberately grow short plants with no side branching for a reason in SoG. The yield is made up by growing a 'sea' of small individual plants. This puts the budmass within the highest intensity part of the light pattern. To produce a good yield, SoG employs about 4 plants per sq ft. We only grow the top cola in SoG so the avg bud size and density is the best it can be.
I read probably first 5-6 pages before I started skimming, I did try to read as much as possible when I saw your posts on pages. I have read this back and forth with some other threads also, sorry if it was answered somewhere else, you seem to have been really good about answering Q's and I understand you must get sick of having to explain over and over again the concept of SOG. I understand you are doing this with a SoG I was thinking of doing this with a SCROG:

GROWFAQ

I am not dead set on it, as I have just started some clones that I am planning on turning into mother's so I won't be ready for the flowering for at least a month. So let me know if I am looking at this wrong and going to run into a problem.

The reason I thought this would be a better plan for me, was that I don't want to have large 'numbers' of plants. I am OK with lots of smaller buds and bushiness and even OK with larger plants. My reason for this is that I am a med patient in Cali and state law is mostly interpreted as allowing for 6 adult and 12 young un's plants, per patient. I can also grow the same for a couple of other patients I am friends with, starting to get my reasoning now?

It is just an idea I had to give me just a little peace of mind, you know? I don't want to ever get over 100 plants cause it just always seems that the raids the DEA do are on grows over 100 plants and they don't care or understand 'adult' plants they just see numbers, not to mention I want to keep this containable in less than a 10X10 area and I want to TRY to fit this in a 3X3 for 6-8 plants per station. See if I get the set up like you have as a SOG and have 6-8 moms, 30 cut's, 20 per flowering station (that's 80), you are over the 100 mark to get 1-2 lbs every two weeks, isn't that about right? See, if I keep each station under 18ish plants flowering I am under the 100 mark and and can keep within CA State Law with just 2 other patients 'technically' but I'll have 11 just in case so it stays within the 6 adults per.

Sorry to be a pest, I know I probably should have just posted all this up in it's own post, but honestly, you seem to have this down pretty good and seem to be one of the more experienced members and figured maybe I could steal a little advice.
 

Enigma

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i know your not referring to my beliefs that 911 was an inside job and the fact that i think we might be able to harvest "free" energy with the implementation of magnets!!! i have lots of resources that support my conclustion of 911, and my opinions are not contingent upon a whim of one vid that i have seen. as far as the free energy thing goes, i think it is highly possible that there are ways to harvest "free" energy but the billionaires that control the energy/oil monopoly wont let this happen readily:cry:

I met a guy today that used a water powered suppliment to his 4 cyl pick-em-up-truck that is fuel injected.. it added, from his estimation, 40 miles per gallon.

He and I are working on a FULLY hydro-powered engine. Starting small with a 250cc bike and moving up to a V8.

This will most certainly be FREE information given to this community.
 
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