stankyyank
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Not to dis on your results, I apologize if that came out wrong.
giving defoliation during flower a try
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AlphaPhase
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Yeah, hermies piss me off, I won't hesitate to chop anything that throws a banana, funny thing is when I got my first dispensary cuts, I got my first hermie. I go through strains like underwear, if it's not quality and quantity and strong it gets the cut. I'll grow them out fully if they don't hermie, but after one run if I'm not satisfied it's dead.
MiniGrowDWC
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I dont go to high school anymore. I go to school high.
Uncle Ben
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Let's set the record straight once and for all. I hear this "try new things" stuff all the time. Just because you discovered or read something for the first time doesn't mean it hasn't been done by others. As a baby when you open up your eyes for the first time, the colors of your bed toys are quite exciting.
Nobody has shown me the science or logic behind defoliation, nor will they ever.
UB
pk_boosted2
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We have shown u the logic.
Defoliating provides more air flow in indoors gardens that are packed because of limited spaces reducing risks of molds and funguses whcih lead to bud rot.
Defoliation provides lower and inner branches more light that would otherwise block budding sites for growing properly and becoming dense and fruitful. Otherwise it will be larfy and popcorn.
Defoliation also increases resin production bcuz a cannabis plant natural response to stress is to produce more resin and terpenes to ward off predators.
So whats logic hasnt been explained there has been a great deal of logic u just arent willing to except it yet bcuz ur stuck on practices from the 70s-80s and mel frank told u not to touch the leaves lol.
pk_boosted2
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The internet has been around for about 20 years give or take to most mainstream America. Show me an article about defoliation from over say 10 years ago id love to see it. Its a new technique that still is being debated so ur reference to a baby and all that opening its eyes is irrelevant. Its a fact defoliation is not an old way of doing things its still very new, as is most of technology in growing has advanced by 100x in this past decade as computers did in the late 90s and internet did in the early 2000s. U werent first person to defoliate i dont need hear any more bs about how u been doing that since 1978 cuz thats some more bs if u say that i think ppl have caught onto lol.
RM3
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None of which is true LOL
Uncle Ben
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You have only shown me a lot of unfounded bullshit - anecdotal evidence, conjecture and such.
"The logic" is quite simple, really. You can't remove the very unit that produces the flowers and the rest of a plant's tissues/cells and expect the plant to magically produce more. It's stupid.
BTW, what's this "we" stuff?
Uncle Ben
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More of your misguided bullshit with the usual know-it-all attitude.
Look, I (and Potroast, RIU owner and admin) were one of the FIRST pot growers to ever discuss cannabis culture, long before the "internet" as you know it, and probably at a time you was still messin' in your drawers. The only venue available to us at the time was via a newsgroup called ADPC. We used crude encrypted messaging chained thru several encrypted servers so that the first server didn't know where it was going and the last didn't know where it originated from. PGP was the standard private communication channel. This was also before anyone could post images. The old IBM PC was standard fare with a whopping 640KB of RAM.
I counseled, and modded THE FIRST true cannabis internet forum, before there was your typical Vbulletin forums at all. It was called marihemp.com aka cannabis.com.
You're a kid. Everything is gonna be "a new technique" to you. Doesn't mean it's credible or have any real world value.
Uncle Ben
pk_boosted2
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I dont think im off base at all. Defoliating may have been talked about amongst a few people but its a new concept that many growers use. I do it and it doesnt have any adverse effects on my yield whatsoever, Ive seen gains and less larf from selectively removing light blocking fans throughout bloom until i remove most of them during maturation. So maybe thats his experience, I have opposite experiences and if ur running scrog / sog with trellises and packed canopies if u dit defoliate ur asking for trouble period. Because the over lapping fans will sweat then thats gonna lead to bud rot period!! And if u dont lollipop "defoliate" then ur losing out on serious yields by growing BS larf and wasting energy on a portion of plant that wont grow shit. So u need to remove leaves to focus energy on colas receiving the light. So hows this off base lmao
Uncle Ben
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pk_boosted2
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Yeah well Ice Cube and Snoop Dogg were both pioneers of rap music and now they are both garbage, so being first one to do something if u dont change ur ways will only lead u down same path of subpar mediocracy BOL. Times a changin brotha get w the program!
pk_boosted2
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Jorge Cervantes is an idiot btw. Ed Rosenthal is by far a better grower and both his books and information he shares are much better than anything "Jorge" wants to come up with.
Ed Rosenthal was against even touching a leaf for 3 decades he spoke out against it. Well guess what now he removes selectively fan leaves to harness more light and energy into his gardens.
He even found in research a plant only uses roughly 15-25% of the light it receives and the leaves are a natural defense mechanism and it produces more than it needs like most plants that are predisposed to lose leafs through climate and predators, like almost all things that evolve. Do your hw
Ed Rosenthal was against even touching a leaf for 3 decades he spoke out against it. Well guess what now he removes selectively fan leaves to harness more light and energy into his gardens.
He even found in research a plant only uses roughly 15-25% of the light it receives and the leaves are a natural defense mechanism and it produces more than it needs like most plants that are predisposed to lose leafs through climate and predators, like almost all things that evolve. Do your hw
pk_boosted2
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Youre not removing every leaf man, its called selective leaf removal where u remove only large interior blocking fan leaves to increase air flow and light penetration. So your plant will still produce and photosynthesize the same way it did before you plucked the leaf off. If u cut your arm off are u gonna die? No. And thats 20% of your body. Same way if you lollipop a 1/3 or 1/4 of your plant before bloom you will still get same results without the larf and BS which is another defoliation technique.
pk_boosted2
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When u say its not logical your understanding of the term must be wrong maybe your looking for another word to use? Because logical is based on any given set of circumstances that an answer be conceived as clear and of sound reasoning. So when explaining how defoliation benefits the factors i listed above is in fact a logical explanation of what occurs when fans leaves are selectively removed.
I think if you look over Ed Rosenthal's revised books, journals and articles you will find that even he was once an anti leaf plucker and spoke against removing any leaves unless they were basically dead, to now promote selective leaf removal for its benefits. So I think that if someone as capable and educated on cannabis cultivation can now agree that selective pruning is beneficial in your indoor gardens other people may want to also begin understanding its benefits as well. Times are changing and although its still a controversial subject as is flushing and pk/bloom enhancers, more and more research and information has shed light on the benefits of using these techniques.
Some people are just stuck in their ways and may find its not for them while others are constantly looking and searching for bigger and better yields and defoliation and selective leaf pruning is one such method that has proven beneficial to many expert growers alike.
I think if you look over Ed Rosenthal's revised books, journals and articles you will find that even he was once an anti leaf plucker and spoke against removing any leaves unless they were basically dead, to now promote selective leaf removal for its benefits. So I think that if someone as capable and educated on cannabis cultivation can now agree that selective pruning is beneficial in your indoor gardens other people may want to also begin understanding its benefits as well. Times are changing and although its still a controversial subject as is flushing and pk/bloom enhancers, more and more research and information has shed light on the benefits of using these techniques.
Some people are just stuck in their ways and may find its not for them while others are constantly looking and searching for bigger and better yields and defoliation and selective leaf pruning is one such method that has proven beneficial to many expert growers alike.
daybreaker
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break it up break it up.cant there just be an adult conversation about anything anymore.A polite conversation about all growing techniques.I mean if you think you get bigger buds without leaves...by all means pluckm and chuckm.I keep mine all the way through,but I lollipop at the sametime.I take out all the intermodal growth all the way to the top when I switch 12/12 leaving every fan leaf til harvest.but that's me,i want my solar panels.I may try this defoliation on 1 plant next time...just because I am open to new things...however I will come back and post results and we'll see who is the masta!!!!!!!the new guys or the old guys.....hmmmmm think i'll pluck the last mindscape tonight and see what happens.Jorge v.s. Ed R 
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Aeroknow
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Remember how long it took to view a porno pic back then? On the binary.alt whatever newsgroups? Holy hell It took forever
Sativied
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More like stuck in their ass... with your head.
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stankyyank
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Bravo!