GML Accusations..

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grotbags said:
yer but the guy in china doesnt need the light in his hands to copy, he could just go on hlg's website and copy the specs.
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And still have to do the engineering. With board in hand all they need to do is copy.
Just having a bare circuit board custom made is not cheap from scratch
 
grotbags said:
the man in china has an led lighting company he has men that lay out pcb's in their sleep, this isnt as hard as you think it is.
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If you say so.. Still, it is cheaper to reverse engineer than build from scratch. If it werent, no one would bother, including gml
 
I must have gone through that youtube video 3-4 times now and I can't find where they talk about this. I just see grown men asking each other how high their lights should be, googling pictures of insects, and converting celsius to fahrenheit.

I guess I'm just not ready for that type of grand master level shit. Can somebody post a friggin time stamp or something. Video is 2.5 hours long.
 
furbolg said:
I must have gone through that youtube video 3-4 times now and I can't find where they talk about this. I just see grown men asking each other how high their lights should be, googling pictures of insects, and converting celsius to fahrenheit.

I guess I'm just not ready for that type of grand master level shit. Can somebody post a friggin time stamp or something. Video is 2.5 hours long.
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GML - edited all the info out- -you can read it all in the comments below his video( just stop the video its annoying ) ,
 
PJ Diaz said:
So you think you can design a light just based on specs eh?
Show me: https://scotts-hawthorne-public-pro...ments/V4_906056_Gavita_1700LED_Spec_Sheet.pdf
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like i say he owns a lighting company he can churn out any pcb you can imagine, its what they do.
the specs would be enough, board size, diode count, diode type ect.

like i could understand if you wanted to make a perfect copy so you could pass them off as the real thing then having the light in your hands would be valuable, but just making something that resembles a scorpion diablo with 8 board rather than 6, they dont need the light.
 
furbolg said:
I must have gone through that youtube video 3-4 times now and I can't find where they talk about this. I just see grown men asking each other how high their lights should be, googling pictures of insects, and converting celsius to fahrenheit.

I guess I'm just not ready for that type of grand master level shit. Can somebody post a friggin time stamp or something. Video is 2.5 hours long.
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I am guessing his lawyer told him it was a bad idea, or he had second thoughts.
 
grotbags said:
like i say he owns a lighting company he can churn out any pcb you can imagine, its what they do.
the specs would be enough, board size, diode count, diode type ect.

like i could understand if you wanted to make a perfect copy so you could pass them off as the real thing then having the light in your hands would be valuable, but just making something that resembles a scorpion diablo with 8 board rather than 6, they dont need the light.
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Sure buddy.
 
grotbags said:
so you think if i contacted kingbrite or mejui for for a custom quantum board order of 10,000 boards, and i said i want them 6.833″ x 11.25" , with 648 5000k samsung 301h and 16 660nm samsung lm351, they would say yes fine we can do it as long as you send us one first so we can copy it???.
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If you were trying to copy a very specific design, yes absolutely.
 
A lot of people here who’ve never seen or heard the GML show are making presumptions. I’ve watched his shows quite a bit on both zoom and youtube, mostly to hear what info Steve has to give, which is often really great stuff. GML is kind of a dumbass to be honest. He does have some good panelists though, such as Spartan Grown.
 
Reverse engineer, in the context of these new gml lights is not the right phrasing, not even close. Its like saying that BMW had to reverse engineer the T-ford because they both make cars and one made a car before the other. But they both kinda look like eachother? Yes, both lights try to spread the light around properly without blocking airflow. Also, most of them dont even look the same, hlg doesnt do bar lights.
Id argue that gmls boards are infact superior to the HLG boards: they add a separate far red channel where hlg is just one channel. Diode quality is a different thing, pretty sure hlg gets the best diodes but those gml boards dont look the same, they dont work the same as hlg boards, theres only a couple of similarities as samsung diodes and the heatsink/fixture shape of that vulcan light. You do not need to take apart or look at a hlg board in any way to get that gml board made, you can just dictate what you want down to some alibubber and they will draw the gerber file for you and populate the boards. All he did was getting his own growlight made after having worked with another growlight company.
Growmaus used to work for Chilled, and now works for HLG. Does that mean tha hlgs lights are now chilled clones? Not really.
The whole trying to find the bad guy here is a bit silly; both hlg and gml seems quite dedicated to provide good lights and good aftersales. Its just that they had a falling out. No need for anyone of us to get onto either of the new "teams", especially not cause we bought a light or something already.
Please dont construe this as me having a go at either hlg or gml, this discussion seems to have taken on that "tribal" online mode where everybody just talk past eachother and their arguments. We could just aswell settling this discussion by everybody saying "i like hlg" and the rest saying "i dont" cause the arguments being made by now dont seem to go towards the merit of thw subject, only that "i dont like those other people with those different light choices".
 
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