God.

so you're saying it's highly unlikely that aliens visited earth and were mistaken as a god? How do we know they are so advanced? What if they are just a little more advanced than us. I mean in space travel we are advancing extremely fast so who knows how far we will be able to go in 1,000 years?

The first indication that they would have been so advanced is that they were capable of traveling thousands of light years to get here, that would be a LOT more advanced than us. The last sentence of your post is exactly my point: if we are at this level of technology with 10,000 of being conscious, imagine how advanced some civilizations would be that are a billion years ahead of us...
In your hypothetical example of aliens being mistaken for god, those aliens would have evolved by a slow, gradual process similar to our own evolution. They wouldn't have always existed, and they wouldn't have created the universe, which are attributes most people ascribe to god...
 
no, there are guys like the buddha, that remembered their previous lifes.
plus all the other buddhas that did the same and various other holy people.
plus there are alot of people that have visited the afterlife and gone there.
just depends on what and who you believe (or if you prefer to get your own answers as the previously mentioned people did)
 
The first indication that they would have been so advanced is that they were capable of traveling thousands of light years to get here, that would be a LOT more advanced than us. The last sentence of your post is exactly my point: if we are at this level of technology with 10,000 of being conscious, imagine how advanced some civilizations would be that are a billion years ahead of us...
In your hypothetical example of aliens being mistaken for god, those aliens would have evolved by a slow, gradual process similar to our own evolution. They wouldn't have always existed, and they wouldn't have created the universe, which are attributes most people ascribe to god...

How do we know those aliens haven't always existed?
 
How do we know those aliens haven't always existed?

Depends on your definition of "alien"............ I think of aliens as any self replicating organism that isnt on Earth. Surely that exists. What about aliens that are technology capable? Aliens still obey the same laws of physics as we do, and we've only really been space-aware for a few hundred years, far too short of a time period for our light cone to have hit another civilization capable of detecting us and knowing we exist let alone time to travel here...... They are probably too concerned over their governmental budget crisis on Planet Nebula, so their funding wont get them to us like us to them <G>

Although if we just had telescopes scanning for CFC's (chlorofluorocarbons) then we'd find other civilizations fast, since CFC's are detectable by their light shift in the atmosphere of a habitable planet and CFC's are only made by humans (or aliens!) not naturally occurring in space........... Where we see CFC's we find technologically advanced life!
 
Depends on your definition of "alien"............ I think of aliens as any self replicating organism that isnt on Earth. Surely that exists. What about aliens that are technology capable? Aliens still obey the same laws of physics as we do, and we've only really been space-aware for a few hundred years, far too short of a time period for our light cone to have hit another civilization capable of detecting us and knowing we exist let alone time to travel here...... They are probably too concerned over their governmental budget crisis on Planet Nebula, so their funding wont get them to us like us to them <G>

Although if we just had telescopes scanning for CFC's (chlorofluorocarbons) then we'd find other civilizations fast, since CFC's are detectable by their light shift in the atmosphere of a habitable planet and CFC's are only made by humans (or aliens!) not naturally occurring in space........... Where we see CFC's we find technologically advanced life!

I wonder how effective that would be. Our atmosphere contains remotely measurable CFC concentrations, but that is probably a historical blip, like mammoth cuisine. The environmental science of CFCs lagged their industrial usefulness, but since their heyday we've regulated their production and emission, and I don't think there is a significant industrial/commercial app where they haven't been replaced by less persistent replacements. The CFCs resident in our atmosphere will decay below likely detection threshold in a few centuries.

The fact that it is so quiet out there has been called Brin's Conundrum. Where is everybody? (creepy voice) and why are they so quiet?
I worry that any freshly-technical species, like ours, is radiating a newborn herbivore cry into a midnight savanna, with lions. "We're here! We're defenseless! We're delicious!"
cn
 
I wonder how effective that would be. Our atmosphere contains remotely measurable CFC concentrations, but that is probably a historical blip, like mammoth cuisine. The environmental science of CFCs lagged their industrial usefulness, but since their heyday we've regulated their production and emission, and I don't think there is a significant industrial/commercial app where they haven't been replaced by less persistent replacements. The CFCs resident in our atmosphere will decay below likely detection threshold in a few centuries.

The fact that it is so quiet out there has been called Brin's Conundrum. Where is everybody? (creepy voice) and why are they so quiet?
I worry that any freshly-technical species, like ours, is radiating a newborn herbivore cry into a midnight savanna, with lions. "We're here! We're defenseless! We're delicious!"
cn

Even though eventually civilizations wouldnt use CFC's, when we look at the stars are are seeing the light from way back in time, so by the time we measure the CFC's on our end, we know where to go when we detect them.

So if a civilization 200 light years away had CFC's, and we detected them, that was 200 years ago to them, and we're just now seeing their light cone
 
Even though eventually civilizations wouldnt use CFC's, when we look at the stars are are seeing the light from way back in time, so by the time we measure the CFC's on our end, we know where to go when we detect them.

So if a civilization 200 light years away had CFC's, and we detected them, that was 200 years ago to them, and we're just now seeing their light cone

No argument there. I am addressing low probability however. Only a short time in the lifespan of a technical civilization, assuming it paralleled our own history of industry, would be detectable this way.
I would imagine EM emissions, like radio and TV, to have a deeper detectability shell around each active locus. And yet, things are spooky quiet. cn
 
No argument there. I am addressing low probability however. Only a short time in the lifespan of a technical civilization, assuming it paralleled our own history of industry, would be detectable this way.
I would imagine EM emissions, like radio and TV, to have a deeper detectability shell around each active locus. And yet, things are spooky quiet. cn

How long would a radio wave take to get to the edge of our galaxy arm? :) :)
 
you answer your own question hepatitus 420 , you dont know how the universe began so instead of accepting you dont know ,you insert GOD , wich answers your unkown and makes you feel better . that is why we invented gods in the first place .
 
Yessir.. & the funny thing to me is, most religious ppl think that the Thought of even questioning their own beliefs is wrong or evil some how..
I am sure if a God does exist, he is a little more mature than to get upset over who *Tries* to think about him & others who logically do not.
Agnostic FTW.
 
if there is a god <'sighs ' > then hes got 3quartersd of the earths population believing in a completely different god to himself so hes doing an absolute shyte job of gettin people to love and worship him etc etc cause half of the world dont even believe he exists lol
 
Alright for this thread we are not going to talk about religions, well at least not try to prove whether they are real or not. I don't want atheists making fun of religions, and I don't want religious people insulting atheists. :)
For this thread I'm going to ask questions as though I don't have a specific religion.

Anyways where did "god" come from? Like who were the first people to say "god did it"? What happened to our ancestors to believe that they had a creator?

im not sure who the first people were, but im pretty sure its because they simply couldnt explain their existence. they realized humans used tools and made things, so they figured god did the same with the earth/universe. it was a simplistic explanation that got them through life. i think 'knowing' there is a creator and controller of the universe gives a sense of calm, as if everything will work out in the end. as opposed to reality, where things are chaotic. its a way to explain the chaos in a manner which is more pleasant.

If something happened like storms they should have just thought the earth was mad or something, you know?
But why would they say god did it?

because to them, god is what controls the weather. they couldnt explain a storm with explanations like precipitation and wind patterns, etc. so they came up with the idea that there is an agent in the sky controlling everything. we like to have causal explanations for events, and thats the best they could come up with. you dont expect them to get it right on their first try, do you? especially with zero knowledge of science...

Like we have all these threads debating whether god is real or not, but if you think about it we wouldn't even be arguing if it wasn't a possibility a creator exists.

thats not necessarily true. i think people would still believe in a god until they really learned that there cant be a god. that would take a good amount of science knowledge to even explain. stupid people tend to believe in a creator because they dont understand how the world works, so they just believe the man in the sky does it all.(not saying all believers are stupid)

They had to honestly believe god exists, but before anyone thought up with the word "god" there would be no point in trying to find a reason why we are here.

im sure people thought about that before gods came into the picture. god is an explanation to the question "why are we here?"
i dont believe in a god, and i am interested in learning why we are here. you dont need god to ask that question.

We would have just been like any other animal and just lived to live. So why did they come up with a god?

yes we were just like any other animal. but eventually, our brains formed in such a way that we started being curious. this curiosity lead us to ask questions, which resulted in answers. most of the answers were wrong, but they were sufficient at the time. curiosity is the cornerstone of human development. its what makes us discover new things.
god was one of these 'discoveries'. thinking there is a man in the sky controlling everything aids in survival. we formed tribes with tightly held beliefs, which shared food and other things amongst eachother. these tribes also gave people protection from other tribes. it gives people a sense of hope, and takes away the fear of the unknown.
 
:) (smiling face means I'm not arguing, ha)
I know but why is it so hard to believe there is a god? Like I said we don't know how god looks like so how do we know it's not the king "alien"? I'm just wondering how that's so hard to even try to believe.

because we have ZERO reason to believe a god exists. all evidence points to humans making it all up. it is nothing but humans believing their own fairy tales.
why is it so hard for you to believe there are flying spaghetti monsters?? why is it so hard for you to believe in zeus?? those two are the same thing as your god. you just see it differently because you truly believe your god does exist. you see your god as an exemption to the rule, i guess lol.

but, we do have a reason to believe aliens do exist. the best evidence is US. we are nothing but a species of ape living on a TINY rock, which circles a star. this star is just one of at least BILLIONS. we have already found a good amount of planets that are in the 'habitable zone'. statistically, aliens must exist. whether they are intelligent and travel the universe, or are still single-celled organisms is up for debate.

of course, life could be something totally different than what we perceive it as. maybe it is possible for life forms of another 'design'(for the lack of better term) to live in an environment that we would consider unlivable. maybe the chemistry can work in an alternative way than it does on earth. it works the way it does on earth because that is what life has adapted to. we dont know the full possibilities of life because we havent experienced anything but earth life.
 
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