Got a dutch? GROWING AND GROWING AND.....

Oh, my bad sim. Not sure if I read that "story" or not. If you come across the link or talk to kite, let me know, love to read it.

Well, the first plant from the pictures above, looking happier. She just seems to like the bigger pot. Wasn't root bound though. I didn't flush her, she did get a thorough watering. Probably going to hit her with a quarter dose of blood meal.

The other plant, she's just not happy with me. Plan for her is to flush tonight, going to use distilled water, since drainage is really good..I'm going to run 3 gallons through the soil (not sure the gallons, shows dimensions but I think the 10 inch pot is 2-2.5 gallons). Correct me if you know I'm wrong. After the flush and she dries out just enough, I'll give her a quarter of the recommended dose of both the 5-5-5 and blood meal which is 12-0-0, then go from there.

Will start aerating my water tonight. Going to pump some into the distilled water an hour before I flush.

I wouldn't worry about the bacteria h202 kills, you only add like 1-1.5 ml of 3% hydroperoxide per liter. I've been adding ~1ml/l to weed or tomatoes and they did not show a single sign of being unhappy about that and that bacteria comes back pretty fast. Also if some mold or green algae appears(usually when soil stays moist for too long) it brings soil back to normal stage. So far I saw only benefits of h2o2. But aerated water might do just fine

Those recommended doses you know... As UB says - you have to read your plant. If plants do not loose vigor or fan leaves do not start yellowing then.. u know.. Still full dose might be too much... but man, you know better

Good luck and looking forward to update

Yea, I'm going to start at 1/4 dose after the flush and work my way up if the need is there. The vigor just hasn't been there, the plant that has been better off, may start showing me something now though. Leaves are for the most part, starting to look as they should. Some of the lower leaves and coty leaves are yellowing, only one leaf showing signs that MAY be burn.

Going to let the "better off" plant do it's thing and just try to help it a little bit. The other is going to get the works.

Just ran 3 gallons through the soil of the damaged plant. Now I'll just sit back and see what effect the flush has on her. Out of the 3 gallons, I would have to say at least 2 and a quarter ran out of the bottom. Considering doing the same to the other plant, she either needs more nitrogen or a flush then a better diet like the other.

Will keep y'all updated, pictures will come when they show me their happy face.

I hope you did not forget to add nutes to last half of gallon or so, cause you don't want to starve the plant after this, when flush(heavy rain) clicks a plant for production

simisimis said:

I hope you did not forget to add nutes to last half of gallon or so, cause you don't want to starve the plant after this, when flush(heavy rain) clicks a plant for production

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Actually, no nutes were added during the last 1/2 gallon, or at all..yet. I'm seeing a good result from the flush already. I will be adding a dose tonight though. The bigger plant is showing yellowing tips on the new growth, and as I mentioned before, the lower leaves did show some sign of burn as well. I think I'm going to give her a good flush as well, and start over with a better diet for her too.

With the lovely 40-50 degree outside temps, I'm able to keep the door closed on the box with decent spacing between the exhaust and the wall. Temps are steady at 75F (lights on). I only have four bulbs going now (2 over each-40 watters), I dropped back to four after I transplanted. I will be putting as many bulbs as I can fit without going over 85F tonight. Plan for the lights is 2 on top of each (2 inches from the plant), and two in between the plants (same).

Also, for the bulbs, I only have 5 - 40 watt bulbs, so any bulbs added after those will be 23 watts. I'll have to see how many I have but I think I may max out at 8 bulbs. Anyways, I have a few things to do with these ladies tonight, I'll take pictures following.

Finally got to run in and see em' for a minute and......I'm amazed, leaching the soil did wonders for the badly injured plant. The other is definitely going to get a flush, probably tomorrow night. I'll be adding more lights tonight though, and taking pictures. Got to run out for a few, should be back in an hour or two to get those things done.

Yeah man!!! glad finally something clicked on her actually that leaching(or leeching) thing is amazing. I will be leaching my girl as well on my next watering. Even if she's perfectly fine. And I will be doing it every 2-3 weeks. It gives a very nice boost. But it's not about removing food from soil. It emulates heavy rain/storm which awakens a plant for some time, that's why after it for some time you see some growth spurt, those light green vigor circles. Once they are gone, you leach again. But giving her some food after taking everything out of soil should be beneficial, otherwise very soon you'd be noticing deficiencies at lower part of plant.
Happy to hear things are getting better in your garden. Keep it up!

Appreciate it sim! And thanks for sticking around, as you know, not many come through here. And if they do, they say one thing and dip. The good news here, is I'm finally getting better at reading my plants! And sorry I didn't post pictures last night or add lights, got home and knocked out. Just got up and getting ready to do it in a few here though.

I know if I leach the soil on the other one, she'll pick up her vigor as well, I WILL be doing that tonight. I'll be right back with those pictures.

First three pictures are from the plant that has had it's soil leached, the biggest fan leaves on top were about half that size, 24 hours or less, they shot up to be that. Green stem and petioles have returned as well with the newest growth.

Last three pictures are the plant that was showing promise, now has plenty of signs of burn (nutes) and slowed/stalled growth. She will be getting the same treatment as the other tonight.

Other than getting the soil right, I feel it's about that time to get as many lights as I can in there, and that'll be how many I use through flowering. Again, I have 5 - 40 watt bulbs and 3 - 23 watt bulbs at my disposal, I really want to see that secondary growth take off a bit before I flip to flowering, which needs to be soon.

Ran 3 gallons of distilled water through the second plant seen in the pictures above. I decided to wait on the light until she bounces back from the flush. With each of their next waterings, I will replenish the nutes at 1/4 strength with the Happy Frog (5-5-5). Probably add a 1/8 dose of Blood Meal (12-0-0) as well. Starting off slow with the nutes, will add as it becomes necessary.

Other than that, I think they're patiently waiting for some more light. Going to be interesting to see her when I get off work tonight. If they both seem like they're on the right track in the next couple of days, I'll be flipping to flower.

I added back in the 5th 40 watt bulb as well as a surprise I found, 2 5000k - 23 watt bulbs, I threw one of those in there. Added total of 6 bulbs, roughly 11,000 lumens, 223 watts. Wanting to add 2 more 23 watt bulbs but I need to get probably 2 more splitters to angle them right. Here's just some quick shots I took right after rearranging and adding the bulbs.



Definitely getting bright in there. Space is a lot smaller than in the closet so that just adds to it as well.

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I added back in the 5th 40 watt bulb as well as a surprise I found, 2 5000k - 23 watt bulbs, I threw one of those in there. Added total of 6 bulbs, roughly 11,000 lumens, 223 watts. Wanting to add 2 more 23 watt bulbs but I need to get probably 2 more splitters to angle them right. Here's just some quick shots I took right after rearranging and adding the bulbs.

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Definitely getting bright in there. Space is a lot smaller than in the closet so that just adds to it as well.

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whoa man, plants look way better
what kind of bugs you found there?

Well so far it was just one little gnat, at least that's what it looked like. So, I killed it and going to be watching that closely.

Just a few more things..the pots are still a bit too heavy for my liking so I'll be waiting to feed/water another day or so. Tap water is being aerated and will continue to be throughout the rest of the grow. My roots need some help and I'm hoping the added oxygen will aid in helping them.

I was thinking, you think it's a waste to aerate the water 24/7? Should I change that and just aerate a few hours before I water with it or stick with what I'm doing?

I'd do something like:
aerate water for one hour, drop some of the tap water into fridge, cold water contains more oxygen, mix aerated water with cooled one to get 16C and pour it.

colder water is a serious thing, been growing fishes for years and saw how few degrees warmer water would make them slugish and breathing more. also i really see a big difference when adding liquid seaweed or other algae additives. that induces root development. seeing how fast soil is drying out you can determine how's the rootball developing. for me last 3 waterings went from 5days to less than 3

I will be trying that out tonight then, sim. Thanks for the tip +rep.

I wish I could give this one another week, really do. When the lights come on tonight, that will start their last day of veg. One has shown no improvement since the flush, but hasn't gone anymore down hill either, hopefully the things I'm adding tonight will give her what she's been looking for. Now, I know there's not a lot of science (if any) backing the claims of molasses and Epsom salt but, I've decided to bring both into play as I've never seen it play out in front of me. A lot of people swear by it and the idea has been around for a long time so, what the hell.

Just like my Happy Frog and my Blood Meal, everything will be given at diluted doses. Plan is to foliar feed both plants with Epsom salt (a pinch in my spray bottle) before the lights go out here in a couple of hours. A few hours after the lights come back on, I'll feed 1/4 dose of Happy Frog (5-5-5) and I might just go ahead and give a 1/4 dose of the Blood Meal (12-0-0), instead of 1/8. Then I'll water it in with a gallon each of cooler, aerated water, with a tbsp. of unsulphured molasses mixed in.

First feeding since the "flush", fingers crossed.

Just finished feeding/watering the plants. Breakdown of what I did was 1 1/2 tbsp. of 5-5-5, 1/2 tbsp. of 12-0-0, a pinch of Epsom salt, and 1 gallon of water with a tsp. of molasses. Both plants got this same dose. Water was aerated for an hour and a half before watering. Runoff equaled to about 1.15 gallons (total/from both).

This should offer them a wider variety of what they need in a food, at least I hope. Going to get some shots of them, tomorrow, when the lights come on for their first day of flowering.

Peeked in the box this morning to see the top leaves looking kind of droopy. Maybe got to close to the light. May have to bend the tops down a bit to allow more light to the secondary growth. I'd say in a week, should start seeing what the ferts can do for her. If I had a feeding issue...this should tell me. I finally lost the first set of true leaves, some yellowing on the second set of leaves.

Flowering starts tonight, will run the lights from 9pm-9am. Molasses will be added for the next two waterings, then every other watering after that. Will foliar feed more Epsom salt when I see preflowers, that will be the last time. Feeling under the weather but I'll make sure I get those pictures tonight. Try to get a close up of this main stem, just looks horrible on this plant.