Government Regulation

canndo

canndo

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NLXSK1 said:
The ADD remark was in reference to the fact the question had been asked and answered once if not several times already in the conversation. I get tired of going in circles.

You say you believe in free will but immediately go into a demonstration about why you do not believe in free will.

I dont care if my neighbor is fat. If he wants to be fat, good for him. If he got fat from beer or from McDonalds so be it. You know how tempting those beer ads eh?

I was 60# overweight. It wasnt due to McDonalds, it was due taking in too many calories and not exercising. When I got tired of it I changed my diet and lost the weight. McDonalds had nothing to do with any of my personal decisions. Sometimes I eat McDonalds 10 times a week. I havent had it in a week though.

What frustrates me is that you want the government to force companies to change the taste or ingredients of their food to make me thinner. That is not free will, that is invasive market manipulation. And I strenuously object to that.

If you have a problem with McDonalds, stay away from it. But dont tell me whether to eat there or not and what they can serve on their menu because I just dont want to hear it.
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What you are doing is shifting from the general to the particular. You believe in free will, right? Now find a man who has volition and addict him to heroin, he still has free will but that will is diminished by his habit. Find a smoker and tell him he is free to quit, while he most certainly is free to quit, his capacity for absolutly free decisions is diminished. Now find me a person who has fee will but is hypnotized or influenced, he still has free will but that will again is diminished, he cannot make influence free decisions - got it now? Oh, please don't start with the "well he can kick the habit" of course he can, but his will is STILL in a diminished capacity.

The point is that this nation is fat. The point is that children are fat and that has never happened in this country before now. You can't address that single trueism because it does not comport with your notion of a free market and personal responsability but indeed that fact remains. What has changed to have our children eat more than they need?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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  • You believe in free will, right? Now find a man who has volition and addict him to heroin,​


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If he has free will he may not choose to become addicted to heroin. Your test is false because you are forcing an situation. Much like you want the government to do to the restaurants... You know...for our own good.

No, I reject your premise completely.

Your point is that the nation is fat and we have to DO something about it. My point is that the nation is fat and neither you nor the government has any business trying to alter it.

They are not eating more than they need THEY ARE NOT EXERCISING... They have computers and video games now. Cops and robbers has become grand theft auto.

Neither you nor government has the right to force private companies to alter their products to artificially manipulate the market. That is a theft of liberty from the private business owner to make the product the way he wants it and a theft of liberty from the customer who freely chooses the product.
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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Ok, I'm sick of Canndo beating the "why are kids fatter today than before, what's different" question to death. It's so fucking obvious, that it barely deserves to be answered.

The reason we are fatter than the last generation and our kids are fatter than we are is we are getting LAZIER and more SEDENTARY every year. It didn't just happen, it's been building like a snowball for the last couple of decades. It didn't happen overnight, but it is getting worse at a faster pace. But it ain't because of McDonalds.

It's for many reasons, here's a few.

People are too lazy or busy to cook, so they stuff quick, easy food down their pieholes and down their children's pieholes. If McDonalds vanished tomorrow, they'd just go to Wendy's or Sonic (mmm Sonic).

We spend far less of our days moving around and far more of it sitting on our asses. Going from a labor-based manufacturing superpower to sitting on ass typing in code.

I don't know about what you see, but the kids these days barely fucking move. They just want to play Xbox for 5 hours after school and when told to stop, they whip out their phones to text, while sitting on ass. When they're forced to go outside and play, they sit around talking or texting, barely a thought of playing a game or running around. There are exceptions, and those are the kids that ain't fat.

Blame the parents, blame technology, blame the laziness of the next generation... but it ain't McDonalds fault. Progressives KNOW they aren't going to change people's lifestyles, so they attack what they think they can change. In this case you attack a fast food joint, because little Jimmy sits on his ass all day and his parents cram fast food into his mouth. It's a ridiculous argument.
 
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spandy

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canndo said:
Mcdonalds DOES "make" people eat their hamburgers. You can be self righteous about how people "should" skip that bag of fries and get out and walk but explain to me why they spend billions to influence people to eat what they have DESIGNED to addict you to. Now look at children who are prone to be influenced by these campaigns., each generation is a bit fatter - why do you think that is when in our history before fast food it was not, or not nearly at the same rate.
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Dude, no they don't, they don't make you do anything, you CHOOSE to buy their shit. No one is holding a gun to your head.

Oh my God, the children, what about the children. Well, last I checked McDonalds doesn't serve happy meals for free. Gee, how the fuck is a fat little 8 year old getting happy meals twice a day 5 times a week? Who is taking them there and paying for all these meals? Gee, I fucking wonder. The same jackass funding these kid's over eating of fast food are the same jackasses who use the tv as a babysitter.

Try exiting the tunnel you are viewing this from, you are missing alot dude.
 
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NoDrama

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Dan Kone said:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/14/BADN1MCF1V.DTL&tsp=1

Health inspectors arrested for demanding bribes for permits.
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OMG where was the massive outbreak of people dying from unsafe food? Certainly ALL of those restaurants in San Francisco MUST have been serving POISON since they all failed their inspections without the bribes, and not just a few places, hundreds of establishments bribed the inspectors. Anyone hear of a rash of food poisoning in SF over the last several years?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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canndo

canndo

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NLXSK1 said:
If he has free will he may not choose to become addicted to heroin. Your test is false because you are forcing an situation. Much like you want the government to do to the restaurants... You know...for our own good.

No, I reject your premise completely.

Your point is that the nation is fat and we have to DO something about it. My point is that the nation is fat and neither you nor the government has any business trying to alter it.

They are not eating more than they need THEY ARE NOT EXERCISING... They have computers and video games now. Cops and robbers has become grand theft auto.

Neither you nor government has the right to force private companies to alter their products to artificially manipulate the market. That is a theft of liberty from the private business owner to make the product the way he wants it and a theft of liberty from the customer who freely chooses the product.
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Yes, if he has free will he will likely choose not to become addicted, but people with free will can be tricked and after they are addicted then they have less free will. In the interest of the health and security of the country we do indeed have the right and the obligation to interfere with these companies actions. As I said, I know it defies your libertarian sensabilities but the fact is that certain businesses have crossed the line. You still believe that consumers can "freely choose", and there is where you are wrong.
 
canndo

canndo

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MuyLocoNC said:
Ok, I'm sick of Canndo beating the "why are kids fatter today than before, what's different" question to death. It's so fucking obvious, that it barely deserves to be answered.

The reason we are fatter than the last generation and our kids are fatter than we are is we are getting LAZIER and more SEDENTARY every year. It didn't just happen, it's been building like a snowball for the last couple of decades. It didn't happen overnight, but it is getting worse at a faster pace. But it ain't because of McDonalds.

It's for many reasons, here's a few.

People are too lazy or busy to cook, so they stuff quick, easy food down their pieholes and down their children's pieholes. If McDonalds vanished tomorrow, they'd just go to Wendy's or Sonic (mmm Sonic).

We spend far less of our days moving around and far more of it sitting on our asses. Going from a labor-based manufacturing superpower to sitting on ass typing in code.

I don't know about what you see, but the kids these days barely fucking move. They just want to play Xbox for 5 hours after school and when told to stop, they whip out their phones to text, while sitting on ass. When they're forced to go outside and play, they sit around talking or texting, barely a thought of playing a game or running around. There are exceptions, and those are the kids that ain't fat.

Blame the parents, blame technology, blame the laziness of the next generation... but it ain't McDonalds fault. Progressives KNOW they aren't going to change people's lifestyles, so they attack what they think they can change. In this case you attack a fast food joint, because little Jimmy sits on his ass all day and his parents cram fast food into his mouth. It's a ridiculous argument.
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You forget the equation. I said that people eat more than they need to - that always includes excercise, the less excercise the less one needs to eat, hence, people are eating more than they need to. You are only addressing one side of it. Now do conservatives believe they can change people's lifestyles?
 
canndo

canndo

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spandy said:
Dude, no they don't, they don't make you do anything, you CHOOSE to buy their shit. No one is holding a gun to your head.

Oh my God, the children, what about the children. Well, last I checked McDonalds doesn't serve happy meals for free. Gee, how the fuck is a fat little 8 year old getting happy meals twice a day 5 times a week? Who is taking them there and paying for all these meals? Gee, I fucking wonder. The same jackass funding these kid's over eating of fast food are the same jackasses who use the tv as a babysitter.

Try exiting the tunnel you are viewing this from, you are missing alot dude.
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and then there is the "its the parent's fault", which is just one more way of saying "we can't and won't do anything to impede any company poisoning us". Compare the number of hours any parent can spend with their children to the number of hours children are exposed to advertisements. Parents are overwelmed.

So my question remains, why are we eating more than we need to eat? All I see here is "parents are failing". That is pretty weak.
 
canndo

canndo

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What is sole and express purpose of Mcdonalds? To get people to eat more hamburgers.

to this end they spend about 800 million a year on advertising, Mcdonalds isn't stupid, if the advertising didn't work they wouldn't spend the money.

This single company spends 800 million dollars a year pressuring people to... EAT MORE HAMBURGERS and they are not stupid.

People are getting fatter, especially each younger generation, in half a generation Mcdonalds will spend 8 billion dollars in order to get children to eat more hamburgers and you folks believe the obesity epidemic is a coincidence? Of course you will have to add every other fast food chain, soft drink manufacturer and snack food producer but the results are the same, we are being convinced to eat more - and we are eating more.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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  • and then there is the "its the parent's fault", which is just one more way of saying "we can't and won't do anything to impede any company poisoning us".​


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And McDonalds abducting all those kids and force feeding them the food is awful...


It is the PARENTS that drive the kids to McDonalds. It is the PARENTS that order the food. And it is the PARENTS that pay for it.

God forbid we blame the PARENTS.

We must need a massive government program to remove the ingredients in food that make our kids fat because parents are incapable of stopping it by themselves.

If you demand your government start doing shit like this how can you possibly ever expect them to make pot legal? Yeah, bigger more intrusive government, that is what we all need.

Drug use is up, maybe the government should start mandatory testing and mandatory drug rehab because you are too stupid to stop sticking unauthorized chemicals in your body.
 
canndo

canndo

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NLXSK1 said:
And McDonalds abducting all those kids and force feeding them the food is awful...


It is the PARENTS that drive the kids to McDonalds. It is the PARENTS that order the food. And it is the PARENTS that pay for it.

God forbid we blame the PARENTS.

We must need a massive government program to remove the ingredients in food that make our kids fat because parents are incapable of stopping it by themselves.

If you demand your government start doing shit like this how can you possibly ever expect them to make pot legal? Yeah, bigger more intrusive government, that is what we all need.

Drug use is up, maybe the government should start mandatory testing and mandatory drug rehab because you are too stupid to stop sticking unauthorized chemicals in your body.
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What does pot have to do with this? Is pot making this country fat? I don't see that. Is there a widespread campaign to get our children to smoke pot? I don't see that either. Do you have kids? Do you really think you can keep your kids from eating hamburgers? I notice no one, including you is addressing my post on what Mcdonald's abiding intent is - to get people to eat hamburgers - do you really believe that everyone is immune to 800 million dollars in "convincing" every year?
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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canndo said:
You forget the equation. I said that people eat more than they need to - that always includes excercise, the less excercise the less one needs to eat, hence, people are eating more than they need to. You are only addressing one side of it. Now do conservatives believe they can change people's lifestyles?
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I didn't forget anything. Your question was answered in it's entirety. I understand YOU think that people eat more than they need to and you're welcome to your opinion. But, that's all it is, an opinion. I addressed both sides, whether you choose to accept it or not. People and children are moving around less and choosing to eat high fat, high carbohydrate foods for the reasons I listed. It's fast, it tastes good and the other major attraction, it's cheap. Not as cheap as cooking your family's meals yourself, but cheap if you eat off the dollar menu.

As to people eating more than they have to, are you suggesting that gluttony is the fault of the cooks? I said it before and I'll say it again, your argument is ridiculous.


If the Conservatives come up with some shit as stupid as this assertion and cure, I'll be in their faces as well. The religious right zealots and their bullshit are just as guilty of other ploys, and they draw similar ire from me.
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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canndo said:
What does pot have to do with this? Is pot making this country fat? I don't see that. Is there a widespread campaign to get our children to smoke pot? I don't see that either. Do you have kids? Do you really think you can keep your kids from eating hamburgers? I notice no one, including you is addressing my post on what Mcdonald's abiding intent is - to get people to eat hamburgers - do you really believe that everyone is immune to 800 million dollars in "convincing" every year?
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So ADVERTISING is now verboten? Fast food joints that are in competition with other fast food joints can't advertise their products without being called out as devils? How the fuck am I supposed to know the McRib is back if they don't advertise it? What about some new product Burger King just spent a cool million dollars inventing? They aren't supposed to advertise it?
 
Dan Kone

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Harrekin said:
So you need the Government to tell you not to let some crack head inject stuff into your cock? Whoever would go and do that deserves to be "naturally selected", not protected.

Fuck the "Nanny State".
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Personally I'd like to be able to have food delivered or eat in a restaurant without a serious risk of being poisoned. Crazy right?
 
canndo

canndo

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MuyLocoNC said:
I didn't forget anything. Your question was answered in it's entirety. I understand YOU think that people eat more than they need to and you're welcome to your opinion. But, that's all it is, an opinion. I addressed both sides, whether you choose to accept it or not. People and children are moving around less and choosing to eat high fat, high carbohydrate foods for the reasons I listed. It's fast, it tastes good and the other major attraction, it's cheap. Not as cheap as cooking your family's meals yourself, but cheap if you eat off the dollar menu.

As to people eating more than they have to, are you suggesting that gluttony is the fault of the cooks? I said it before and I'll say it again, your argument is ridiculous.


If the Conservatives come up with some shit as stupid as this assertion and cure, I'll be in their faces as well. The religious right zealots and their bullshit are just as guilty of other ploys, and they draw similar ire from me.
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No, you didn't "answer it in it's entirety", all you said was that people don't move around as much. If they don't move around as much they don't need as much to eat. Of course all it is is opinion. I am saying that they do not completely, of their own volition "choose" to eat more, high fat convenient food, they are directed or influenced to do so. I am not taling about cooks, I am talking about a MACHINE that has a single purpose, to get you and everyone else to eat more hamburgers. Nothing ridiculous about that at all, we are not talking about some corner burger joint but a concerted effort spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year in order to get you to eat more.
 
canndo

canndo

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MuyLocoNC said:
So ADVERTISING is now verboten? Fast food joints that are in competition with other fast food joints can't advertise their products without being called out as devils? How the fuck am I supposed to know the McRib is back if they don't advertise it? What about some new product Burger King just spent a cool million dollars inventing? They aren't supposed to advertise it?
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Notice I did not say advertising should be banned, and I have not said that hamburgers, fat, sugar or salt should be banned either. It is one thing to notify you that McRib is back (all you have to do is look at any Mcdonalds - they all have banners stating that fact), it is another to bombard you and your children day in and day out in every venue possible that you must come in and get a happy meal.
 
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