Grain bag showing no growth after 3 weeks

deej2

deej2

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TheGrassIsGreenerInAus said:
Yep you people clearly just aren't listening and have no idea what the go is. Just trying to get me to waste money. Fortunately one guy has been messaging me with actual advice and now my mycelium is almost all white and growing like, well fungus. So sorry guys, you can stop trying to trick me into binning a perfectly good bag.
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Trick you? Trying to get you to waste money? I have no skin in this game. Good luck with your paranoia.
 
canndo

canndo

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TheGrassIsGreenerInAus said:
I see your point, don't get me wrong, I'm not a moron. That said, these things grow naturally in some pretty skud conditions, on cow shit for example, yet people go pick those and eat them without any of this extra concern about contamination, just wash em first basically. Now again I'll reiterate, im not idiotic, if I find a bag FULL of orange green black whatever, bang in the bin. but that orange patch is TINY and also there's a similar patch in the bag showing no signs of colonizing in the exact same spot, and neither are changing size, so I'm at least 70% sure it's just discolored excess water, that soaked up some colour from the grain. I'm not going to throw the only bag I've got, that cost me 55 bucks to order and took a month to show signs of anything, over something that probably isn't a problem. And adding credence to my belief, I put the picture on reddit and another guy said if it was contamination it would smell like off milk or somethin.. They both just smell like grain. So at this point it's wait and see. But to be extra safe I'll be leaving the orange spot behind when I spawn into the tote =) and of course if it starts smelling funky I'll bin it. I did a quick pf tek jar last night as an extra back up basically I'm just gonna fruit that one in the jar let em grow out the top.
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Ok. You arent stupid. But you are still comparing g what you are doing to occurances in nature. There is no comparison. You can grow plenty of nasties in grain where few will grow in grass or manure.

Do you really want to take a chance with aflatoxin which may be taken up by mycelium in order to save 55 dollars?

We agree that you may not even be seeing contamination. If not, great. But you are still presuming that you know what you are doing and ignoring those who do.

As far as smell is concerned, first off, dont EVER use smell as a test for contaminants. Jesus christ. And second, you cant identify all contaminatins by one smell.
 
canndo

canndo

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One last thing, if you insist on this course, just case your grain, dont mix it into anything.
 
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JPCyan

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Im not sure what yall are actually seeing in this poor grainy photo that is such a horror it needs to be discarded. I might see some discoloration, maybe, possibly...Might it fail? Sure. But damn ease up. He's learning.

As far as smell, im not saying stick your nose on the damn patch. , if it is bacillus it will be noticeable in the general area. And instantly recognizable as such. No others i would even hint at knowing what they smell like or attempting to id by smell. But if you smell fermentation./rotten apples/ burnt bacon, in the general area of the bag, 95% chance its bacillus.

Canndo offers solid information and advice from obvious experience and knowledge. Much respect.
His way may not be my way on everything, but one size does not fit all when it comes to myco strategies. (I have no luck with popcorn for instance). I understand his erring on the side of caution. myco contaminates and aflatoxins can be/are nasty nasty stuff

I would never suggest using contaminated spawn, BUT is this even contaminated? Only way to know is let it grow out a bit more. If it were pink, purple, green, black ,or yellow, fuzzy, growing, hairy, sporulating etc..Yeah, toss it.
Most of those will quickly overtake myc and become very visible in the colonizing grain.
I also see almost everyone else just hammering on this guy with little to no actual useful info, just hyperbole and knee jerk reactions. to Canndo's comments. Not helpful. Agreeing is one thing, adding info yeah, but jumping to conclusions based on a comment? C'mon.

I too have 30+ yrs experience in this area. I may not be as knowledgeable as Canndo, But I've had my share of experience. 30+ varieties cubes, 6-7 Panaeolus Cyans/ copleandia, Ps. Cyanescens (indoors), mexicana stones. And a few edibles. Im no expert for sure, but Im not just talking nonsense , I'm trying to add to the learning experience of a beginner.
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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JPCyan said:
Im not sure what yall are actually seeing in this poor grainy photo that is such a horror it needs to be discarded. I might see some discoloration, maybe, possibly...Might it fail? Sure. But damn ease up. He's learning.

As far as smell, im not saying stick your nose on the damn patch. , if it is bacillus it will be noticeable in the general area. And instantly recognizable as such. No others i would even hint at knowing what they smell like or attempting to id by smell. But if you smell fermentation./rotten apples/ burnt bacon, in the general area of the bag, 95% chance its bacillus.

Canndo offers solid information and advice from obvious experience and knowledge. Much respect.
His way may not be my way on everything, but one size does not fit all when it comes to myco strategies. (I have no luck with popcorn for instance). I understand his erring on the side of caution. myco contaminates and aflatoxins can be/are nasty nasty stuff

I would never suggest using contaminated spawn, BUT is this even contaminated? Only way to know is let it grow out a bit more. If it were pink, purple, green, black ,or yellow, fuzzy, growing, hairy, sporulating etc..Yeah, toss it.
Most of those will quickly overtake myc and become very visible in the colonizing grain.
I also see almost everyone else just hammering on this guy with little to no actual useful info, just hyperbole and knee jerk reactions. to Canndo's comments. Not helpful. Agreeing is one thing, adding info yeah, but jumping to conclusions based on a comment? C'mon.
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JPCyan said:
I too have 30+ yrs experience in this area. I may not be as knowledgeable as Canndo, But I've had my share of experience. 30+ varieties cubes, 6-7 Panaeolus Cyans/ copleandia, Ps. Cyanescens (indoors), mexicana stones. And a few edibles. Im no expert for sure, but Im not just talking nonsense , I'm trying to add to the learning experience of a beginner.
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So... How can any of You allow or encourage this person to continue this?
 
TheGrassIsGreenerInAus

TheGrassIsGreenerInAus

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JPCyan said:
Im not sure what yall are actually seeing in this poor grainy photo that is such a horror it needs to be discarded. I might see some discoloration, maybe, possibly...Might it fail? Sure. But damn ease up. He's learning.

As far as smell, im not saying stick your nose on the damn patch. , if it is bacillus it will be noticeable in the general area. And instantly recognizable as such. No others i would even hint at knowing what they smell like or attempting to id by smell. But if you smell fermentation./rotten apples/ burnt bacon, in the general area of the bag, 95% chance its bacillus.

Canndo offers solid information and advice from obvious experience and knowledge. Much respect.
His way may not be my way on everything, but one size does not fit all when it comes to myco strategies. (I have no luck with popcorn for instance). I understand his erring on the side of caution. myco contaminates and aflatoxins can be/are nasty nasty stuff

I would never suggest using contaminated spawn, BUT is this even contaminated? Only way to know is let it grow out a bit more. If it were pink, purple, green, black ,or yellow, fuzzy, growing, hairy, sporulating etc..Yeah, toss it.
Most of those will quickly overtake myc and become very visible in the colonizing grain.
I also see almost everyone else just hammering on this guy with little to no actual useful info, just hyperbole and knee jerk reactions. to Canndo's comments. Not helpful. Agreeing is one thing, adding info yeah, but jumping to conclusions based on a comment? C'mon.

I too have 30+ yrs experience in this area. I may not be as knowledgeable as Canndo, But I've had my share of experience. 30+ varieties cubes, 6-7 Panaeolus Cyans/ copleandia, Ps. Cyanescens (indoors), mexicana stones. And a few edibles. Im no expert for sure, but Im not just talking nonsense , I'm trying to add to the learning experience of a beginner.
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Thank you sir.
 
TheGrassIsGreenerInAus

TheGrassIsGreenerInAus

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canndo said:
One last thing, if you insist on this course, just case your grain, dont mix it into anything.
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I assume by case you mean just take the lump of grain mycelium out and place it in a tote, like a cake? Don't break it up and mix it in? I was considering spawning in the bag at the top so the wet spot if that's what it is, never gets to move from the bottom, but I was advised against it for a few reasons.
 
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JPCyan

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TheGrassIsGreenerInAus said:
And that's exactly why I'm just chalking everyone except you and canndo up as trolls. Not offering any information or listening to a word I've said, just yelling BIN IT BRUH! Yeah. Sure.
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Man, This is not helpful either, sorry. Everything aint gotta be an argument , even if we disagree. Take it easy, Its all good. Its all about an exchange of ideas, opinions. Being a little defensive often gets a reaction that just escalates and takes away from the value of the thread.. ( This brings me to my biggest issue with forums,.texting, and messaging. True emotion, voice inflection, and tone, expression, feeling, can not be conveyed easily and so often is misinterpreted).

No offense meant, to anyone here.

I'd like to think that everyone here just wants to help. its that exchange of ideas that promotes the best outcomes in most all things in life.

HeatlessBBQ
What exactly can you see clearly enough to determine there is a contaminate? I really cant tell and I've seen more pictures of the bag than those posted here. I'm not sayin its clean, Only that its worth further investigation before calling it a total loss.. The only thing I'm encouraging is allowing the bag to colonize, without disturbance. Watch the "potential" area of contamination. See if it changes, photograph it to document change.
Discard it as a loss if it inhibits mycelial growth, if it shows any growth, changes forms or colors, if it damages existing myc, emits strong or unusal odors from bag. Thats it..
peace yall
 
TheGrassIsGreenerInAus

TheGrassIsGreenerInAus

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OK I've deleted all I can and I've unwatched this thread. Yall can keep talking all you want, im going to continue my grow and post photos once it's done. Bye now.
 
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canndo

canndo

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TheGrassIsGreenerInAus said:
I assume by case you mean just take the lump of grain mycelium out and place it in a tote, like a cake? Don't break it up and mix it in? I was considering spawning in the bag at the top so the wet spot if that's what it is, never gets to move from the bottom, but I was advised against it for a few reasons.
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I am a proponent of placing a thin layer of non nutritious fluffy material on top of a fully colonized substrate. I find that the most productive method. The point is,in this case, to have the mycelium grow through that last layer. Then stimulate fruiting.

The point is to keep the cake intact in order to limit the growth of contaminants.

You may also just stimulate fruiting as is. 12 hours of grow lights or blue content for a few days will crank that up regardless of any other factors.

The two nest triggers are low carbon dioxide levels and light.

Dont let others tell you otherwise.
 
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