got one going now in flower mode, budding up good, but its not colas, its golf balls, I guess cause I topped it. It stinks but is way more viney than the ChemD cut or the Chem4, but again, stardog was the fluke sat pheno out of two indica dom parents. Im more worried bout it never finishing under 4 months. But being a chemD fan, copper chem is dominated by the stardog, I don't think its the chem4 that vines like that. But they are vigorous bitches. Maybe gu should find another male and start using the stardog female, illuminati cut, or kk, guava, corey, something diff but same strain. LIke bodhi when he switches parents. jmo