GroErr Grows...

GroErr said:

lol, not a Garth Brooks (my gf is though) fan but I see the connection Was throwing around different titles but stuck with the double entendre, fuck people up when they're high - lol

That's about 6th/7th a generation clone, it's a good pheno, fire, great taste/smell and smooooth when cured. The Blue Dream I just pulled is good, close on smell/taste, smooth even before a proper cure, but definitely not as potent I'd say 3-4 hits for the Blue Dream, 2 or less for JTR, that's why you see it in pretty well every grow. It's a bitch giving up a good pheno so unless something replaces it, it'll be around for a while

Love those bamboo trellises, wish I had bought a few more, they're seasonal in the dollar store, should be good for the winter though, can't fit many more plants than what I have in there. Have one pair set aside for that JTR in the veg cabinet. Great for training, and later when the colas start to do the lean they're handy as well Cheers.

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Yea I can't do country either tbh lol...garth isn't terrible but the genre overall just irritates me for some reason.

Definitely makes sense to keep it around - you notice any difference going into new generations or does it genuinely seem like identical copies? I don't really see how it could be any different if the DNA is the same but I've been reading mixed messages about clones losing something after several generations, and others claim there's no difference from the mother to the (pick a number)th generation...?

ayr0n said:

Yea I can't do country either tbh lol...garth isn't terrible but the genre overall just irritates me for some reason.

Definitely makes sense to keep it around - you notice any difference going into new generations or does it genuinely seem like identical copies? I don't really see how it could be any different if the DNA is the same but I've been reading mixed messages about clones losing something after several generations, and others claim there's no difference from the mother to the 50939th generation...?

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Only good thing about country is that more women tend to like it, took my GF to a concert and I was surrounded by sweaty, screaming, excited women, tough but I managed to get through it

Not sure on the clone and generational deterioration, I think there has to be some eventually but there are so many variables it would be difficult to say xx generations to begin deterioration. Only thing I'll be doing is keeping an eye out for tell tale signs like hermies, then cull. No biggie really, pretty sure I'll get bored of a strain or start a new seed well before that happens. So far the last JTR I pulled was the heaviest but of course that was a) bigger plant going in and b) under CMH so again, too many variables to really tell. With the amount of training I do and it changes slightly depending on the initial growth, it's difficult to really tell. If I don't screw it up I'm going to shoot for a 5-6 oz JTR with that one I have in veg, it has the right structure to produce 16+ colas

Thought I'd post my medium and feed methods. I'd grown outdoor in different soil mixes for years. When I came indoor I wanted to stick to soil but wanted to avoid bugs. I found fully organic messy indoor and settled on a mix, 50% PRO-Mix/50% Triple Mix. I find it a good mix for water retention, no packing, and clean as far as soil goes. I supplement feeds through veg and flowering and settled on AN Sensi Grow/Bloom A&B. I've tried different levels but have settled on the following feed levels:

Early Veg: @400 ppm. Veg: @500 ppm Stretch: 2 weeks @700 ppm (50% Grow/50% Bloom) Flowering: 600 ppm

I don't "flush" but through the whole cycle, until the 3rd week of flowering, I water-feed-water-feed. 3 weeks into flowering I feed-feed-water. The last 2 weeks I go back to water-feed-water-feed and end with 1 or 2 waterings with only water. It produces well but I'm not overfeeding, tastes and burns great. Plants are using up everything and haven't had any sort of build ups or lock-out issues. I screwed up last round taking some PPP's down to 400 ppm and got a bunch of fluffy bud, too low, live and learn, 550-600 is good, just finished a Blue Dream that was fed on that and got nice tight buds, and lots of them.

Last mention is the pots this medium goes into. Switched to fabric pots several rounds ago and love them. They build a great root system compared to plastic, they're now really cheap, reusable. Great and inexpensive way to up your yield and even use less medium. They way the root structure builds, a 3Gal fabric can grow a plant the size you'd normally put in a 5Gal plastic pot. I ran a PBK a few rounds back that ended up 42" tall in a 3Gal pot, no root binding, healthy plant. I try and keep them propped up off the bottom of the catch trays, found some trays and rings with 5/8" feet and holes to keep them off the bottom that sit in the trays at the dollar store, works well.

Have posted some info on this in other threads, here's some details of environmental monitoring tools I use to keep things in check. It allows me to quickly see potential issues, even when I'm on the road, I travel quite a bit for work so it's very handy for troubleshooting potential problems while I'm away and just keep an eye on things. I've had a few incidents where I was able to tell there was an issue and had my GF fix the problems while I was away.

Temp, humidity, water temp, and water leak sensors:
I have 3 of these units, tent, flower room and veg cabinet. I don't bother with it in the smaller seedling/clone cabinet as it's sitting in my laundry room, good/steady environment, runs 24/7 and keeps steady temps/humidity.

They are LaCrosse RF/WiFi sensors. You can have 5 sensors connected to 1 controller. The controller is connected to your router (wired/ethernet) and can be anywhere in RF range of the sensors. I just have the controller sitting in a cabinet which houses my power panels and routers. The sensors communicate with the controller via RF signals, they're battery operated and the system monitors the battery level, sends you an alert if it needs changing, typically once/year.

The basic sensors monitor temp and humidity. There are add-on sensors for specific purposes. e.g. I have one wet probe which I can use in my cloner res, it attaches to the basic sensor and has a 6ft cable with the wet sensor attached. I just dump the wet probe into the res and it sends data to the system every xx minutes (you set the frequency to whatever you want). I have another water leak sensor in the main flower room (cable attached to the basic temp/RH sensor). That sensor sits under my sub-floor, about 1/8" above the concrete floor. There's a sump pump in my flower room, if it ever goes and water leaks onto the concrete floor I'll get an alert (email, text, whatever you want to set it to). Years ago I had a sump pump go in my first house and dumped 2" of water across my whole basement, shit happens! I take readings on all sensors every 15 minutes. The readings are sent to LaCrosse servers, then an app on your phone/tablet, or a browser (https) connection to their web site displays current environment readings, plus the last 200 readings. On a computer/browser you can also download the readings once/week in a .csv file format.

Besides being able to monitor the environment live on a computer/phone/tablet, anywhere, anytime. All sensors and individual monitoring sensors like the wet probe and water leak detector can be set with thresholds and separate alerts methods/times/incidents. For example, if temps go below say 60F, or above 90F I get a text alert. If I have the probe in my cloner and res temps go above 75F I get a text alert, etc...

It can sound complicated to non-techs but it took me 20 minutes to initially set it up and takes 5 minutes to setup new probes/sensors. After using this tech for 1 1/2 years I can vouch that it's reliable and quite useful.

Here's a screen shot of what it looks like on my computer (tablets are identical):


Cheers...

Another handy monitoring tool I use are indoor tilt/pan/zoom cameras, kind of like webcam's on steroids. I have a few different models that I got over the last 1 1/2 years, basically price drives features/functionality, they're the Foscam brand.

These allow a fixed camera to pan the room, take snapshots, and record video to your computer or an SD card in the back of the camera. I'm not using some of the features yet just haven't spent the time to set them up. They recently added schedules which can be used to take snapshots or record, will be looking into that one to capture time-lapse pics to an SD card. The built-in software can monitor several cameras at once. I have 4 total in each room and can get a quick view of everything going on at a glance.

In general I wouldn't recommend these unless you have a good understanding of WiFi and Internet security. I'm in the business, I buy them through my business and get to write them off so really no personal cost to me. I also understand the implications of security and have an elaborate security/firewall/vpn system typically used in large businesses (my customers). For me they're handy, let me keep an eye on the grows without going into the rooms, take snapshots for updates and the like, even while I'm travelling.

Here's a snapshot of the main screen last night with all lights on:


Cheers...

GroErr said:

Another handy monitoring tool I use are indoor tilt/pan/zoom cameras, kind of like webcam's on steroids. I have a few different models that I got over the last 1 1/2 years, basically price drives features/functionality, they're the Foscam brand.

These allow a fixed camera to pan the room, take snapshots, and record video to your computer or an SD card in the back of the camera. I'm not using some of the features yet just haven't spent the time to set them up. They recently added schedules which can be used to take snapshots or record, will be looking into that one to capture time-lapse pics to an SD card. The built-in software can monitor several cameras at once. I have 4 total in each room and can get a quick view of everything going on at a glance.

In general I wouldn't recommend these unless you have a good understanding of WiFi and Internet security. I'm in the business, I buy them through my business and get to write them off so really no personal cost to me. I also understand the implications of security and have an elaborate security/firewall/vpn system typically used in large businesses (my customers). For me they're handy, let me keep an eye on the grows without going into the rooms, take snapshots for updates and the like, even while I'm travelling.

Here's a snapshot of the main screen last night with all lights on:
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That is too damn cool.

polo the don said:

That is too damn cool.

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Thanks polo, both the sensors and cameras make my grows much easier to manage I've been in the technology field for close to 30 years now, at one point I worked for someone else and ran a data centre, a lot of this tech is no different than monitoring a data centre, just cooler stuff to monitor/look at

Is this the new thread?

Mohican said:

Is this the new thread?

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Hi Mo, thanks for popping in. Yes just got it up and running over the last couple of days. Will be posting all updates here, maybe run the odd specialty thread if I'm trying out something completely new but otherwise this will be my "blog". Cheers!

Cool - I am subbed

One very cool feature I didn't mention about those cameras and have used in a real-life scenario, is sound. They have both a mic and speaker output (you can even attach an external speaker to a standard 2.5 mm port on the back). Talked my GF through checking a couple of things for me after a short power hit recently. I was sitting in a hotel room in NJ, on my laptop, connected to my vpn and then to the camera. I had checked the LaCrosse alerts and noticed a slight spike in temps so I knew something was going on.

Asked her to go into the flower room and turned on the mic and speaker (button on the control screen turns them on/off as needed). While I was watching her, I talked her through checking a couple of things, all the while seeing what she was doing. NO don't touch that!! lol. All it was that time was a circulation fan that defaults to off when the power kicks out, no biggie and easy enough to fix. Very cool and practical feature worth a mention. While I was travelling, a quick look at the LaCrosse sensor app told me there was something wrong, the camera allowed me to see what was going on and talk my GF through fixing it in a matter of minutes, what's that worth?

Priceless.

IR Camshot of the flower room. Like these shots for picking out bud development, the IR highlights the buds/colas. You can see a line between the two loads and pick out the colas developing in the first 3x3 budding at Day 20, the second one at the back at day 9 is showing flowers now but buds haven't fully developed yet.

Happy Thanksgiving to all the US folks, have spent many turkey days in the US as I have family there. Hope you all get some time with family and friends, cheers

Update on the 2x 3x3's in the main flower room. The first one at the back is Day 22, closet one is Day 11.

Second one in the 5Gal and 2x 2gal fillers is now about 4" taller than the first, probably go another 4" before they settle. Haven't tied them back yet to even things up as they'll stretch for another week or so. This one will end up around 30" tall and measures 32" x 36". First 3x3 in the 3Gal pots has settled into flowering and landed at about 24-27" tall, not bad and fairly even canopy considering 4x strains. It measures out almost exactly 36" x 36". The Blue Pyramid (front-left) is leaving the JTR and Blue Dream behind in overall size, this thing will end up close to double the size when it came into 12/12. But all 3 are looking solid and should produce well.


The Harlequin's in the 4x 2gal pots in the tent are coming along nicely, Day 33 for them yesterday. Trying to tame the two taller phenos to stay under the lights, will be tying them down as they continue to shoot up even this far into the cycle. Overall very happy with this strain so far, building solid colas/buds and more buds than I was anticipating.

The mixed spectrum with the COB spot light and DIY LED/CFL panel in there looks to be doing the same as last round, buds are feeling solid/tight and penetration is getting right down to the bottom, middle and lower layer bud sites are looking good, will be some popcorn down there but not much. I have 2 keeper phenos which are now at the front, the one (right-front) is more solid with buds and less stretched but has a fuelly smell more than fruity. The other is slightly more stretched but has an incredibly sweet smell, kind of a combo of a ripe pineapple and sweet lemon smell, this will be a keeper for sure.


Cheers

Hey I've got a couple harlequin crosses I've got going right now bro!

It's Harlequin x Maui. I'm hoping to get some good meds out of it for my wife who has MS.

Here they are...

giggles26 said:

Hey I've got a couple harlequin crosses I've got going right now bro!

It's Harlequin x Maui. I'm hoping to get some good meds out of it for my wife who has MS.

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Nice, they look similar, these are Harlequin BX4 from BC Bud Depot, looking forward to trying it. They're producing more bud than I had expected, not a bad thing Not seeing any of the mutant/twisted leaves I got around your stage (all 4 phenos) but this is a different cross, someone else had mentioned those twisted leaves on their straight-up Harlequin's. Cheers.

Yea the harlequin these were crossed with was the clone only from harborside.

I'm after the "golden goose" you could say of strains on this one.

Don't get me wrong I love to get high but I'm in it to find the best possible medicine I can for my wife.

Veg update. Up-potted 2 of the reg DIY crosses, one of each are doing well (smaller one's in 3Gal pots on the floor/right). Just hoping they turn out fems, one definitely looks like it, the other is questionable. Not sure if I'll keep the two at the back on the left as I don't like the plant structure but may keep any fems going just to see what they turn out like.

The two at the front left on the platform are clones, one of each #1/#2 Harlequin BX4 phenos. They're right around 3 weeks out of the cloner and looking good. One thing I noticed with this strain is they clone easy, took only 8 days to get roots hitting the water in the cloner. All 4 clones (one from each pheno) took excellent. Just kept one if each of the two potential keeper pheno's. The others were doing well, just not quite as nice, left them in the party cups and put them in the flower room in a corner on some 2x4's to raise them enough to get some light. They're already flowering within about 10 days or so of 12/12 and looking good for party cup clones. Will have to wait until they finish to decide which pheno to keep, mentioned above one smells excellent but it's more stretchy/lanky than the #2 which has a nice structure. Going to train these though (ones flowering in the tent were just FIM'd once), I may be able to shape them into the structure I like as I veg.

The larger one in the back-right corner is the JTR clone in a 3Gal. Hope to eventually get it into a 7Gal pot and veg for another 6-7 weeks if I can manage it space-wise. It continues to grow well, LST'd, super-cropped and FIM'd twice now, should produce a bunch of colas, shooting for at least 12, maybe up to 16 by the time I flower it.


Cheers

I've noticed that bout mine as well groerr! They were the first to take roots out of the 36 I took. I'm really liking this strain so far. One is also extremely fruity and the other doesn't have much other then a fuely/hash undertone. It's like what you have been describing is what's in my brain with them lol.