Grow#2: White Russian & Serious Chronic
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VaporBros
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Well, i had my hand at LSTing my Chronic. Went wrong, one of the main tops snapped off. Thankfully it was still hanging buy some thick skin, so i wrapped some tape around it and its doing fine. All the plants recieved a fresh feeding with Connoisseur A+B, CarboLoad, BigBud, and Multizyme. Picked off the dead fan leaves so hopefully these girls will take off soon. Here are some quick pics of the LST job.
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laserbrn
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[quote="SICC";2250983]lookin good man, I'll be posted[/quote]
They look good and strong, my only concern now is that you already have an N deficiency. If you start using Sensi A & B AND Big Bud and all of the other AN Bloom Enhancers you might lose too many leaves too early.
I would suggest using some higher N fert for the first 2 weeks of flowering. Maybe mix 1/2 sensiBloom 1/2 SensiGrow. The stretch phase is going to eat up a lot more nitrogen and I'm just concerned for ya brotha.
They look good and strong, my only concern now is that you already have an N deficiency. If you start using Sensi A & B AND Big Bud and all of the other AN Bloom Enhancers you might lose too many leaves too early.
I would suggest using some higher N fert for the first 2 weeks of flowering. Maybe mix 1/2 sensiBloom 1/2 SensiGrow. The stretch phase is going to eat up a lot more nitrogen and I'm just concerned for ya brotha.
VaporBros
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thanks for pointing that out. What do you recommend I use to keep my N? I just got paid so i can go out to the Hydro store and pick somethin up. Im already on week 2 of 12/12 and about day 3 of flower (just started showing hairs)
instead of the Sensi A&B im using Connoisseur A&B and im sure its the same shit as Sensi just another way for Advanced Nutrients to make more money.
UPDATE: one of the White Russians turned male. Ill be throwing him outside in a few hours to either die, or bloom and ill collect pollen.
Sicc, whats goin on brotha! Hopefully soon ill have more clones or seedlings to start a bigger journal this one kinda sucks hahah.
instead of the Sensi A&B im using Connoisseur A&B and im sure its the same shit as Sensi just another way for Advanced Nutrients to make more money.
UPDATE: one of the White Russians turned male. Ill be throwing him outside in a few hours to either die, or bloom and ill collect pollen.
Sicc, whats goin on brotha! Hopefully soon ill have more clones or seedlings to start a bigger journal this one kinda sucks hahah.
SonomaComa
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Lookin good VaporBros, subscribed!
laserbrn
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What else are you going to use besides the base nutes? If just the base nutes I would just add 1/2 SensiGrow and 1/2 SensiBloom for weeks 3 and 4 of flower. I would throw Big Bud in there also though...
The winning combo is Bud Blood, Big Bud, Overdrive
Run that on top of your base nutes and you'll see what all the money is for.
skywalker1
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Vape-theres no need to use Sensi grow during flower-your base bloom nutes contain Nitrogen.If your running into an N def, up your dosage a little and maybe transplant into some fresh soil and bigger pots if you can-those are still in those small square pots right?
laserbrn
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I don't know if I have the energy to argue with this guy right now. Green plants harvest bigger buds. Keep your leaves, leaves are required for energy production, increase N for ~10 days. This guy doesn't read and doesn't know what he's talking about. If you don't believe me just for posts by me with "yellow" in them and see how many people have come back and changed their tune after trying it.
Anyway, I'm too high for this right now, this guy didn't even realize you are already in flower, otherwise I assume he wouldn't have suggested a transplant and he wouldn't have felt the pots were too small.
skywalker1
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lol-yes, greener plants harvest bigger buds..The fertilizer companies are aware of this concept, which is why they load theyre grow and bloom nutes with Nitrogen-Bloom Nutrients just have higher concentrations of phosphorous and potassium.Theres absolutely no benefit to using a Grow Nute during flower-Vape's Connoisseur has everything the plant needs for bloom, including N, which is all I was trying to get across. As far as transplanting during early flower being forbidden? One of the most overhyped concepts in growing-"But dude, itll stress them out and make them go herm"...Bullshit. Ive had to transplant during heavy flower when the plants were root bound and they experienced no shock whatsoever.Some people actually trim their rootball during transplant. Just be gentle, use a vitamin B1 additive, and theyll be fine.
laserbrn
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Why would you be rootbound in flower and need to transplant? That's not a good practice. If the plant were rootbound I would agree that it needed a transplant to a bigger pot. The effects of being rootbound are worse than the shock of a transplant. This plant is already flowering and was only 5"-6" when it started 12/12. What makes you think the pots are too small? They are deep pots, not wide, deep.
I have had this argument many times about adding N during flowering, ESPECIALLY when growing smaller plants. I'm sure that skywalker doesn't grow in this fashion or he wouldn't be offering this advice. If you have an N defeciency in veg, you add nutes and the plants begin to correct themselves and feed and store up N. When you grow very small plants this doesn't happen and if you are 2 weeks into flower and you have yellowing lower leaves you should add N as it makes sense. You won't make it to the end with green leaves otherwise and without the leaves you've lowered your yeild.
The makers of nutes, such as N don't design their nutes around the idea of growing very small plants and flowering them very early without supplying them with higher N ferts in the veg stage.
I have had this argument so many times and it always comes out the same...
Here's a link to a thread from yesterday where I found someone else now PREACHING this same information that was on the other side last time, but tried it my way and his results are much better and he understands better now.
https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/158144-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-bloom-5.html
Skywalker, I suggest that you try it as you will find that later in flower you can use more bloom enhancers and you can keep your plants healthier.
I have had this argument many times about adding N during flowering, ESPECIALLY when growing smaller plants. I'm sure that skywalker doesn't grow in this fashion or he wouldn't be offering this advice. If you have an N defeciency in veg, you add nutes and the plants begin to correct themselves and feed and store up N. When you grow very small plants this doesn't happen and if you are 2 weeks into flower and you have yellowing lower leaves you should add N as it makes sense. You won't make it to the end with green leaves otherwise and without the leaves you've lowered your yeild.
The makers of nutes, such as N don't design their nutes around the idea of growing very small plants and flowering them very early without supplying them with higher N ferts in the veg stage.
I have had this argument so many times and it always comes out the same...
Here's a link to a thread from yesterday where I found someone else now PREACHING this same information that was on the other side last time, but tried it my way and his results are much better and he understands better now.
https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/158144-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-bloom-5.html
Skywalker, I suggest that you try it as you will find that later in flower you can use more bloom enhancers and you can keep your plants healthier.
skywalker1
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Was my first outdoor grow a few years back, and we planted in ten gallons early in the season-your right, it wasnt good practice, but I did learn that all this hype about transplanting during flower, if you have to, was basically bullshit.The plants turned out Dank.Back to this N nonsense: once again, Bloom nutes also contain high levels of N....The reason people have had success adding grow nutes during bloom,is that yes, they contain N-its def not going to hurt your plant.But the point is-here it is again-Bloom nutes also contain high levels of N.There is no point to using a grow nute during flower.(size of the plant, pot is irrelevant.)
laserbrn
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Of course they do, they realize you need the extra N. If you are going to use Connoisseur alone all the way through I would agree that it may have enough N to get you buy, but you already using Big Bud NPK of 0-15-40 and presumably you're planning to use something like Cha Ching, Overdrive, or Gravity.
You will be cutting your base bloom nutes down during the use of these enhancers and you will not get a chance to get the N you need. That's why the need for the boost in weeks 3 and 4.
I grow in this fasion with smaller plants, and I've tried it soooooo many ways and this way has proven to be best. Once you get past weeks 3 and 4 you'll be running heave bloom enhancers and won't have a chance back at that N and you'll be wishing you had done it when you're losing leaves. Leaves are the solar panels for your plant. The more leaves at the end the bigger the buds.
aknight3
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i dont know who disagreed with this dude but hes right, no green leaves no big buds PERIOD, i fuckin hate when people pull of there leaves go ahead ill keep my 25% more yield for a few leaves blocking a cpl buds just my .02
skywalker1
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Ive never used FF nutes. Advanced however, (laserbrn didnt you say you use Advanced?)recommends you switch to sensi a and b bloom-Reason? because they contain N, as well as higher levels of phosphorous and potassium.Bottom line-a grow nute used in bloom isnt going to have ill effects, its just unnecessary.(unless your bloom nutes have low N levels, which may be the case with Foxfarm.)
skywalker1
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who disagreed that green leaves dont produce big buds?
aknight3
Moderator
just to follow up however he is right about the n in bloom nutes, usual grow nutes have like 2.0% nitrogren while AN nutes bloom style have like between 1.0-1.5 % n so just using those he should be fine and also i use the same nutes as you so u should be okay i suusally use AN gro,micro,bloom, humic and fulvic acid, bud blood, big bud, carboload, overdrive and final phase, i know it sounds like overkill and a waste of money but hey thats what works thats what i use, just saying though u should be okay with nitrogren, maybe mix some eggshells up in water for a day that will give u some added N in your next watering
skywalker1
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If thats what FF recommends, then this debate comes down to one point-it depends on your nutes. With Sensi from advanced,(i thought we were talking about advanced?) your bloom nutes have everything the plant needs to flower, including N.
laserbrn
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I know that Sensi 2 part has higher levels of N than most Bloom nutes, but lower than Sensi Grow. I'm just saying that's what I would do if I was starting to show N defeciency this early on.
If you're not going to run big ol' bloom enhancers, I wouldn't worry so much about it. If you do (which I suggest not doing on one of your early grows, try it with base nutes first) you will be happier with more N.
If you are going to grow straight through with just Sensi, you'll likely be just fine without adding high N ferts.
Everyone can argue this for days, but honestly ferts are a big part of the game and only you will figure out what will work in your setup with your plants. You have both sides of the argument and for us to go back and forth would be futile.