Guns. Why should they be given up?

thetester

thetester

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At this point, there is no use in counting the number of killing sprees we have had. I think I can safely say that killing sprees are a fact of life in the United States now. I guess this is how Iraqi's must feel. Like most Americans, I have asked myself if making it harder to get weapons would make any difference. And I personally think that the answer to that question is no.
I am starting to think that the public discourse on gun control is only a diversion from talking about fundamental and systemic problems in our country. I believe that mass shootings and gang violence are a symptom of a deeper issue. There will always be people that are so chemically unhinged in the brain that they go on rampages. But why does this happen so often here?
If anything, this level of violence proves that the government cannot guarantee your safety. I'm not sure if this means getting into a mini arms race with your own countrymen. But I do know that in a country that has so many weapons floating around, I should have one to protect my own ass and my own family.
I know that there are places in America that are really rough, but why should I be restricted on how I want to defend myself because some other people in a city on the other side of the country live in a shitty neighborhood? How is it my problem that the south side of Chicago is a war zone? Maybe the people there should stop wasting there time in Washington and start sorting their own local shit out. Why should I have to jump through hoops and be investigated because some other people are shooting up neighborhoods?
I can't imagine the absolute agony of a person I love being murdered. But the fact is, we live in a mean and violent country. The government does not represent the common man so the common man needs to look after himself. And to do that, the common man must be armed.
I await being flamed.
 
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LIBERTYCHICKEN

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ill just leave this hear



WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS THOUGHT ABOUT “GUN CONTROL”
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Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly’s reply to the Governor of Pennsylvania.)
Thomas Jefferson: “The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes….Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson’s “Commonplace Book,” 1774-1776, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in Chapter 40 of “On Crimes and Punishment”, 1764.
Thomas Jefferson: “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
Thomas Jefferson: “The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
John Adams: “Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense.” (A defense of the Constitution of the US)
George Mason: “To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.” (3 Elliot, Debates at 380)
Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.” (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)
Noah Webster: “The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops” (Noah Webster, 1787)
George Washington: “A free people ought to be armed.” (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent Chronicle.)
Thomas Jefferson: “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” (T. Jefferson papers, 334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)
James Madison: “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” (Federalist Paper #46)
William Pitt: “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” (Nov. 18, 1783)
Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights: “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
Patrick Henry: “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
St. George Tucker: “This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty… The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
Thomas Paine: “…arms…discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. …Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them.”
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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theres only one reason i might give up any of my guns, and thats to trade up for Blasters, Phasors, Disruptors (Romulan or Klingon), Light Sabers, Gauss Rifles, Plasma Casters, or a Giant Robot with Aguyama Missiles, and an autofire Laser Cannon.
 
thetester

thetester

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Honestly, I do not care what any of those people thought about anything. They are all just a bunch of privileged douche bags that had a pack of slaves and free land.
 
thetester

thetester

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Dr Kynes said:
theres only one reason i might give up any of my guns, and thats to trade up for Blasters, Phasors, Disruptors (Romulan or Klingon), Light Sabers, Gauss Rifles, Plasma Casters, or a Giant Robot with Aguyama Missiles, and an autofire Laser Cannon.
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Or a BFG 9000, now that is something I can dig.
 
El Tiberon

El Tiberon

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Your constitution was written by men who owned brown people and made their fortunes from their sweat. Fuck your founders and your constitution. It was allowed only by the blood of those you enslaved.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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El Tiberon said:
Your constitution was written by men who owned brown people and made their fortunes from their sweat. Fuck your founders and your constitution. It was allowed only by the blood of those you enslaved.
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You appear to be using two different tenses in your statement. I think you meant "by the blood of those they enslaved." If you meant "you", are you addressing dead people or people alive today?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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El Tiberon said:
Your constitution was written by men who owned brown people and made their fortunes from their sweat. Fuck your founders and your constitution. It was allowed only by the blood of those you enslaved.
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If you think the USA was the only country that was involved in slavery you are horribly misinformed as well.

Do you know that hundreds of years before the white men showed up the indians were constantly at war with each other? One of the primary reasons for war was to take prisoners to use as slaves. There is still slavery going on in countries today.

Yet somehow, something that was outlawed long before anyone here and their parents were born is still thrown in our faces...

But we all know you are a puppet troll so *waves*
 
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LIBERTYCHICKEN

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Wow, all of us hear support the right to defend our selves

but no one cares why we have these rights or about the amendment that guarantees us these rights

except NLXSK1
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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El Tiberon said:
Your constitution was written by men who owned brown people and made their fortunes from their sweat. Fuck your founders and your constitution. It was allowed only by the blood of those you enslaved.
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Haha! Your people enslaved way more. That's where we got ours. They were the slaves who weren't fit enough, according to you people, to spill their blood and harvest sugar cane.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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NLXSK1 said:
If you think the USA was the only country that was involved in slavery you are horribly misinformed as well.

Do you know that hundreds of years before the white men showed up the indians were constantly at war with each other? One of the primary reasons for war was to take prisoners to use as slaves. There is still slavery going on in countries today.

Yet somehow, something that was outlawed long before anyone here and their parents were born is still thrown in our faces...

But we all know you are a puppet troll so *waves*
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In fairness it was mostly the US...most of Europe had outlawed slavery long before yous even started...
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Harrekin said:
You're about 400 years too late, somewhat past the feudal ages.

America and the East African Musselmen were the only big 18th/19th Century slaveowners.
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russia and most of eastern europe didnt abolish serfdom till the late 1800's...
and britain maintained it's serfdom as "tenant farmers" well into the 1800's...
the irish catholics were sill prohibited from owning land until the early 1900's.
 
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