Hans Panel 56w triband led(65w total)>VS<Indagro 100 full spec induction(105w)+FIGHT!
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gordobo
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First time poster but I've been reading the threads and this one has been very informative. I need to downsize to a 24 x 24 grow area and really only have the budget for one lighting system. I'm leaning towards an LED panel but from what I'm seeing here the induction looks like it does nicely too. I'll watch it through to see how they finish. But I was wondering if one runs any hotter than the other? Temps are a big deal for me. BTW thank you for taking the time to do this run.
THE KONASSURE
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A well made led system with the correct amount of far red not over doing it will run cooler then the same output of induction lamp
Gordobo what`s your budget for your system and where abouts are you based ?
See for around £100 you can buy an induction lamp from china (100 to 200w) but if its a 7m x 7m your not going to light it that cheap
I`d say go with a 400w induction and 2 led lights around the 300w mark the Van q led`s I got recently come in at around 300usd each posted and you can start the plant 2m below the light and it will grow just fine.
Unless you mean 24inch by 24inch then that is small a 300w induction should take care of that
The Han`s panel PSU has seams to really kick ass and I hear good things about Area-51
If your on a budget some people will tell you to by Blackstar but Van Q`s 300w units are cheaper then most of the bigger size blackstar lights are also you can contact them and have your light custom made to order.
I knew I`d run mine with induction or some cfl side lights so I got a very simple set up just the most common red and the most common blue I`ve had about 8 to 10 different strains under the lights so far and have not come across a plant that does not like them so I doubt I`m going to have any problems with them.
Also your right about this thread everyone who post`s on here seams to know what their talking about and some very helpful if not some times a bit geeky info gets shared on here, I`m as much part of the geek squad as anyone else on here is it`s been nice talking to everyone on this thread and PSU is growing some real fine plants too
But I can`t wait for the next grow he does I`m hoping he`ll get another Han`s and run the 2 of them with the induction in the middle and like me show people what a dual system can do................
Gordobo what`s your budget for your system and where abouts are you based ?
See for around £100 you can buy an induction lamp from china (100 to 200w) but if its a 7m x 7m your not going to light it that cheap
I`d say go with a 400w induction and 2 led lights around the 300w mark the Van q led`s I got recently come in at around 300usd each posted and you can start the plant 2m below the light and it will grow just fine.
Unless you mean 24inch by 24inch then that is small a 300w induction should take care of that
The Han`s panel PSU has seams to really kick ass and I hear good things about Area-51
If your on a budget some people will tell you to by Blackstar but Van Q`s 300w units are cheaper then most of the bigger size blackstar lights are also you can contact them and have your light custom made to order.
I knew I`d run mine with induction or some cfl side lights so I got a very simple set up just the most common red and the most common blue I`ve had about 8 to 10 different strains under the lights so far and have not come across a plant that does not like them so I doubt I`m going to have any problems with them.
Also your right about this thread everyone who post`s on here seams to know what their talking about and some very helpful if not some times a bit geeky info gets shared on here, I`m as much part of the geek squad as anyone else on here is it`s been nice talking to everyone on this thread and PSU is growing some real fine plants too
But I can`t wait for the next grow he does I`m hoping he`ll get another Han`s and run the 2 of them with the induction in the middle and like me show people what a dual system can do................
djwimbo
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I'm pretty sure he means inches on the 24x24.
If you're talking IndaGro, the PAR200 should be plenty. Otherwise a 150-250HPS would be suitable, but have a lot more heat. LED would need something comparable, 180-250W(consumption), so what most would call a 300W panel. You can also get a 6-8 tube CFL setup that fits the 24"x24" for a minimal investment, and have the option to change bulbs during veg/flower.
Either Induction or LED will be a larger investment, but since you have heat concerns, probably the better options. From the info floating around, induction primary and LED supplemental is a killer combo.
EDIT: Dimensionally, the PAR200 is longer than 24". The PAR100 will cover a 24"x24" according to their info.
If you're talking IndaGro, the PAR200 should be plenty. Otherwise a 150-250HPS would be suitable, but have a lot more heat. LED would need something comparable, 180-250W(consumption), so what most would call a 300W panel. You can also get a 6-8 tube CFL setup that fits the 24"x24" for a minimal investment, and have the option to change bulbs during veg/flower.
Either Induction or LED will be a larger investment, but since you have heat concerns, probably the better options. From the info floating around, induction primary and LED supplemental is a killer combo.
EDIT: Dimensionally, the PAR200 is longer than 24". The PAR100 will cover a 24"x24" according to their info.
gordobo
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'm located just outside Chicago and live in a older building where the electrical wiring is not the greatest. So for me I want to keep the power consumption down, not generate heat and keep me in the Blue Dream that has been perfectly suited to relieve me of nocturnal seizures. My regular connect has not been getting the BD I've grown accustomed to so I got some clones coming and will be doing this myself.
The area I have to grow both plants in is actually 30" x 30". I can bring fresh air in and vent it out with no problem. I like your suggestion on the combination of induction and LED but with right about $800 to spend I was trying to stay within budget, at least for this round, with just buying one type of light. From what I read on another forum the iGROW is available in a 200 watt size with specially designed lamps and like all the inductions claim put out less heat than an HPS. There's a dealer located only a couple of hours from me in Madison so I was thinking about checking these out but to be honest I don't want to make a mistake and the 100 watt grow I see here looks to be less expensive and cheaper to operate. I think the 200 may be a bit too much light for my small area but I'll check it out and see what they have to say.
Thank you for the great advice and have a safe and happy new year!
djwimbo
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The people pulling >4oz per plant are running >100watts per plant, LED, HID, Induction, or CFL. Stay within your budget, and keep your expectations reasonable. That PAR100 will work for two plants, as seen on these forums, AND will go full cycle (seedling to flowering). I don't know much about the iGrow stuff yet, I'm waiting to see results (link?) before I make a conclusion.
100w x 10hrs = 1kWh
I'm usually a fan of "overkill", but jumping up to the 200 will double your electrical draw.
Might not be a bad idea to start small, it sounds like a number of people on this forum have been using the PAR100's for seedlings to veg, then moving them to a different room with more space and lighting. So even if it's enough now, it can still be used later.
gordobo
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Good advice. Reasonable expectations and staying within budget are first and foremost in my mind and wallet. I'm really looking forward grow since it's going to be fun to grow my own meds but I'll know for certain that they are all organic with no pesticides or fungicides.
The iGrow dealer in Madison WI has the 200 watt light in stock for $850.00 and told me that it would take that size to get a decent flowering cycle in even a closet. That particual system uses different kelvin lamps for veg or flower and he'd give me the extra lamp for $225.00. All a bit more than I wanted to spend which is usually the case but I'm thinking it would only be a one time investment since they last so long. For that kind of money though I would hope I don't need to supplement with anything else. A good start to a new year!
The iGrow dealer in Madison WI has the 200 watt light in stock for $850.00 and told me that it would take that size to get a decent flowering cycle in even a closet. That particual system uses different kelvin lamps for veg or flower and he'd give me the extra lamp for $225.00. All a bit more than I wanted to spend which is usually the case but I'm thinking it would only be a one time investment since they last so long. For that kind of money though I would hope I don't need to supplement with anything else. A good start to a new year!
THE KONASSURE
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Well a 100w 3000k induction will cost around £100 from china plus a hood and 1 300w van q led light is around 300usd so really you could get your whole light rig set up for around 500usd and you`ll be drawing around 400w but you can start your plants off under the induction then after week 2 of veg fire up the led too and get them flowering
300 usd should be enough to get everything else you need ?
Anyway man post up a thread and message me the link or paste it up on here as we`re half jacking PSU`s thread and I`ve been doing enough of that with pics of my grow
But lets be honest all of us here love seeing pics of plants under induction and led set ups and it saves us having to go looking at other threads lol
300 usd should be enough to get everything else you need ?
Anyway man post up a thread and message me the link or paste it up on here as we`re half jacking PSU`s thread and I`ve been doing enough of that with pics of my grow
But lets be honest all of us here love seeing pics of plants under induction and led set ups and it saves us having to go looking at other threads lol
chazbolin
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Hey Gordo welcome to our pool of 'higher' learning. What part of Chitown are you in? I love that city. Grant park and the free concerts. The Cubs. The winters are just too much for a mere mortal though. Power to ya.
Listen you can get alot of advice on what light works better than another but Konnasure is right in that you don't have to go spending over a G to swap out kelvin rated induction lamps. China sells that exact same light for $300. There are other threads on RIU on that brand so before you buy do a bit of research here first. Hell you can get an Inda-Gro 100 for 1/2 that price and it'll veg-flower on a single lamp. Add some LED's to enhance the flowering spectrums and you're good to go for a long long time.
Good luck on your garden.
Listen you can get alot of advice on what light works better than another but Konnasure is right in that you don't have to go spending over a G to swap out kelvin rated induction lamps. China sells that exact same light for $300. There are other threads on RIU on that brand so before you buy do a bit of research here first. Hell you can get an Inda-Gro 100 for 1/2 that price and it'll veg-flower on a single lamp. Add some LED's to enhance the flowering spectrums and you're good to go for a long long time.
Good luck on your garden.
THE KONASSURE
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Inda gro buy there induction tubes right from china I`m pretty sure only Asia can make induction lamps on a large scale at the moment as far as I know no one in the usa has made them since Tesla but I`m sure there`s someone I`ve not heard of
Oh you could get a 100w, 200w or even 300 or 400w induction lamp pretty cheap go for 3000k as it`s cheaper then getting a twin spectrum tube then I`d find a 50w or 90w led ufo that fits inside the tube gap or have it off to the side you`ll want 330nm and 360nm that`s all the induction needs boosting to it when flowering.
I`d run 2 plants per 100w of induction and add around 25w to 40w of red led per plant for flowering that way you`ll get some super nice weed just make sure you don`t get too much far red and IR on the leds as the induction has enough you just want to boost up the red spectrum to make fat buds !
A 200w induction should be under $200 and a red 50 or 90w ufo ? can`t you get them for like $90 each in the usa ? I`m sure you`ll find some idiot on ebay selling an all red one he got by mistake for almost nothing ?
Now 200w induction and 90w red ufo ? your talking 4 to 6 banging plants under that maybe even 8 to 10 small auto`s
I`d be happy to run that set up it`d be better then most cfl led set up`s I`ve seen.
Oh you could get a 100w, 200w or even 300 or 400w induction lamp pretty cheap go for 3000k as it`s cheaper then getting a twin spectrum tube then I`d find a 50w or 90w led ufo that fits inside the tube gap or have it off to the side you`ll want 330nm and 360nm that`s all the induction needs boosting to it when flowering.
I`d run 2 plants per 100w of induction and add around 25w to 40w of red led per plant for flowering that way you`ll get some super nice weed just make sure you don`t get too much far red and IR on the leds as the induction has enough you just want to boost up the red spectrum to make fat buds !
A 200w induction should be under $200 and a red 50 or 90w ufo ? can`t you get them for like $90 each in the usa ? I`m sure you`ll find some idiot on ebay selling an all red one he got by mistake for almost nothing ?
Now 200w induction and 90w red ufo ? your talking 4 to 6 banging plants under that maybe even 8 to 10 small auto`s
I`d be happy to run that set up it`d be better then most cfl led set up`s I`ve seen.
PSUAGRO.
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Yeah the cheese is smelly and very sticky at this point, she is taking her sweet time...........If you want to see Actual grow comparisons go back in this thread and look at the two cheesedreams under each side since germ/ the male got culled at around thirty days and moved the squatty anubis over to the indagrow side.
What did you think of the game????lol............Glad it's over..........Once supersoil is dialed in, you get HYDRO results with NO fuss.........not kidding, I've seen it.
Yeah I can't believe how big she got either with a restrictive pot.........imagine a two month veg in 7+ gallons/ yowza!..............ILP did well with this cross
The Hans led will run cooler due too the lower wattage/ remote driver which can be placed outside the grow room..........both tech's can flower well, combine them and push the limits of longevity/efficiency/final quality for stealth-microgrows..
Personally I would wait on purchase and see what the new Inda-gro hybrid design can do for you.....I'll be running the same strain of anubis again under the inda-gro par 100 with the led pontoons (5w 660nm/730nm)accessory attached, early indications are showing a 30-35% improvement in flowering.......will see in six weeks, when I start it
No worries PET, it's all good...........thanks for the lookout though
ILP's cheesedream @ 73 days since germination under the Hans led panel(65watts):
View attachment 2460500View attachment 2460501View attachment 2460502View attachment 2460503View attachment 2460504View attachment 2460505View attachment 2460506....All those necrotic/fungal prone fan leaves^^^^ will be removed soon.......getting very sticky/ still impressed by her, she's just a nutrient hog
PS's anubis girls @ 68 days since germination under the inda-gro par 100 (105watts):
View attachment 2460507View attachment 2460508View attachment 2460509View attachment 2460510View attachment 2460512View attachment 2460513View attachment 2460514View attachment 2460515View attachment 2460516View attachment 2460517......lanky frosty bitch is showing a slight cal def, so i'll dry scratch some more RO foundation at next watering......will grow this same strain next run to compare under the inda-gro hybrid panel.....will see what happens.
View attachment 2460522View attachment 2460523View attachment 2460524View attachment 2460525View attachment 2460526...43rd day of 13/11 and that's it .............be safe and happy growing RIU....
foreverflyhi
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Beautiful! Ur plant under the EFDL looks really nice, I'm sure it will plump up some more. And of course your girls under Hans is looking good. Tell us what u really think thus far on the EFDL technology? Better to buy one of those or better to buy 50 cfls? Lol random number
Campo Cultivator
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looking sweet dude just spent an hour start to finish I cant wait to see what your gpw is going to be like with the two set ups Stirling job mate
hyroot
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Everything looks great. The nute def finally under control lol.
If you are going to.get fabric pots next round. I found some good ones on amazon for cheap. I got a 5 pack of 7 gal. 21.34 after shipping. The 10 pack of 2 gal is 12 something plus shipping. They are called viagrowtm.
The pontoons look very promising. The problem is Darryl is estimatimg selling them at 745 For 45 actual.watts.
If you are going to.get fabric pots next round. I found some good ones on amazon for cheap. I got a 5 pack of 7 gal. 21.34 after shipping. The 10 pack of 2 gal is 12 something plus shipping. They are called viagrowtm.
The pontoons look very promising. The problem is Darryl is estimatimg selling them at 745 For 45 actual.watts.
Bumping Spheda
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Those are just felt bags, right? If you or your lady had a sewing machine...
This looks cool, too.
https://mycotopia.net/forums/grassroots/79937-diy-smart-pots.html
This looks cool, too.
https://mycotopia.net/forums/grassroots/79937-diy-smart-pots.html
hyroot
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They are made of polypropeline. Same as smart pots, root pouch pots, and water bottles. Much cheaper than other 2. You can buy same fabric at a fabric store.
no sewing machine here though. If you do make them. Its all in the stitching.
Bumping Spheda
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I hand stitched myself a 5.4 gallon smart pot outta felt yesterday. Probably took me 45 minutes beginning to end. <<<Not very efficient... or fun. If I knew how to use the damn sewing machine it'd have taken me like 5. Perhaps a skill worth learning since the fabric and thread would probably cost like a buck a bag for a 7 gal.
I might just try to locate a couple milk crates, though. Weed blocker fabric is silly cheap.
I might just try to locate a couple milk crates, though. Weed blocker fabric is silly cheap.
Campo Cultivator
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for sure just dont get the heavy duty fabric
line the milk crate with the lighter memrane
make sure you have some height for drainage of at least 15 mill in a milk crate off the ground
sorted mate purrrrrrrrrrrfect
for a large plant especially out doors in the summer
line the milk crate with the lighter memrane
make sure you have some height for drainage of at least 15 mill in a milk crate off the ground
sorted mate purrrrrrrrrrrfect
for a large plant especially out doors in the summer