Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

Boosted 95z said:

Buying all of my stuff to do this today, we can't wait. On a side note, we've made and gave away medicated hard candies for one of our new dispensaries here in MI to help support the vets. We also donated food, and blankets. We haven't reaped any reward from Stink's methods yet, but soon we will!

Thanks everyone for making this what it is today.

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That's really nice of you to donate meds for the vets! I'm a veteran myself so I have a soft spot for all the guys in uniform. If fact if there are any veterans out there reading this thread hit me up and I'll send you a copy of my eBook. Let's all support the guys that give us the freedom to grow marijuana legally.

Good luck bro!

Finally got my system going today, It's been built for a while now. Had to move around the other 10 or so plants. I have Grand Doggy Purp in there right now, GDP 2 as I know it. They loved food in soil, so I'll see what they really like now. I'm so excited to just see how things go from here, I need to start my own journal. These clones are from 12-20 and 12-21 and the smallest 2 plants in the front only had small roots going, but should be just fine. I may make a manifold out of these, not sure yet.

Just stupid happy, with a grin I can't get rid of.

Boosted 95z said:

Finally got my system going today, It's been built for a while now. Had to move around the other 10 or so plants. I have Grand Doggy Purp in there right now, GDP 2 as I know it. They loved food in soil, so I'll see what they really like now. I'm so excited to just see how things go from here, I need to start my own journal. These clones are from 12-20 and 12-21 and the smallest 2 plants in the front only had small roots going, but should be just fine. I may make a manifold out of these, not sure yet.

Just stupid happy, with a grin I can't get rid of.

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How exciting bro! I'm looking forward to your success! Be sure to post pictures of the buds. Which reminds me, I need to get off my ass and post some pictures of the new system.

I like the tent. The more I think about it the more perfect they seem. I'm ordering one today.

Oregon Special Update
The party continues! I have the new system designed and built. I have set up with some scraggly clones just to test it out. I'm going to let the clones get pretty big before I flower the system. I think I'm going to veg them under fluorescent for 3-4 weeks.

These strains are kind of interesting. We had been running this Kandy Kush plant for a couple of cycles and then all of a sudden one of the plants produces a few male flowers down at the bottom of the plant. What's weird is the plant had never turned hermi before. There weren't many flowers and I caught it early but it still produced a few seeds. We picked out pretty much all we found and kept them aside.

Some of the seeds are a back cross with the Kandy Kush. Basically it's like if you were to fuck yourself and then get pregnant. The offspring is always female too. This is kind of how they get feminized seeds. This is also a good example of why some breeders like DJ Short swear by good old fashioned male/female seeds. Less hermies...

So anyway I also have the Kandy Kush crossed with the Blue Cheese. Basically the plant is a mix of Blueberry, UK Cheese, OG Kush and Trainwreck, four legendary strains. Oh yea, I also have a Critical Kush crossed with the KK. I have a bunch of new seeds popped too so it will be an interesting Summer.

We have a male Tahoe OG Kush jizzing all over a piece of glass right now. We are going to use the pollen to breed some more StinkBud. How good is the Tahoe OG going to be mixed with the Kosher Kush I have starting right now. Or the Blue Cheese! Of course the seeds won't be feminized but then I shouldn't have to worry about hermies, just males. I can work around that if needed.

Anyway here are some photos of the new babies in the new cloner. I'm stoked with the cooler and no leaks. I can take the lid off as many times as I want and there is no issue with the seal. I'm drawing up the plans right now. You can also see the latest rack in progress. It has about 6 weeks to go but everything is already looking frosty as hell! I also have the new Oregon Special done. I'm building a second unit to double check my plans and then I'll draw those up too. I'll be posting the plans here so stay tuned. I also posted a photo of a junior Kandy Kush back-cross bud that's looking real frosty. It smells amazing!!! Enjoy...

Looking good can't wait. I'm Thinking Making A Modified Stink Bud System Sea Of Green Style. I'll keep yall posted on that. It will be about 6-8" 80-120 rooted clones straight to 12/12 or 36 site sb system with little veg time...

That's actually a great idea! You can take the clones to flower as soon as they are rooted and still get 1-2oz per plant. That may not sound like a lot but if you multiply it by a shit load of plants it really adds up.

I've destroyed my eyes trying to read all of this...., but am glad it's out there, thanks Stinkbud!

I joined stinkbuddies..but things seem kinda dead over there so I'm here where things still seem pretty active.

Have there been any discussions on customizing/adding on to the system with regards to pipe size/ cross sectional area and flow rates?

I've been working on designing a 4 rail(5x5 fence,48"L), 6 sites( 8" spacing) per rail system, run off appx 30 gal res( 54 gal rubbermaid) running 2 400gph pumps plumbed into a common manifold, feeding 4- 48" runs of 1/2" pvc which are going to be mounted outside the rails and will each feed 7 ezclone 360 sprayers through 1/4" irrigation lines. So pretty much a doubled up flower unit rather than 2 separate. I'm running dual pumps in the big res so I can have one type of pump only( 400gph) throughout all the systems for easy of swapping/replacement. I'm running my 1/2" pvc feed lines outside the rails only because I think it will make cleaning and maintenance easier..I'm still trying to figure out an easy way to make the end caps seal AND be easily removable..one thing at a time..lol

If my calculation are correct with 28 sprayers and 800gph I'll be getting appx 28.5 gph per sprayer, maybe slightly less due to head height, but that's only about 18". I've calculated I will need a 1" main line/manifold to feed 4 1/2" lines feeding up to 8 1/4" lines. I've based this on cross sectional area of the pipe, but without frictional loses as I think they will be minimal...does this sound right? I've had to take a self taught crash course in fluid dynamics to try figuring this out..lol

Also has anyone tried running the 1/2" pvc lines connected at the far ends, as in a continuous loop? I know in a compressed air system, when you have "dead end" lines you loose pressure/flow by the end of the line but if you connect it to have a looped system you get even pressure/flow throughout the system, I'd like to incorporate this into the system...has anyone noticed different growth rates/yield/etc from plants on one end of a rail vs the other? Just looking at the design I would think the first spray head is going to flow more than the last in the line...whether it is an amount worth worrying about..IDK..but if this were the case simple reversing the feed lines to feed the far end of the rail first would increase the "NFT" effect.

As you can tell I think about stuff WAYYY too much...but I'd rather spend time planning than have to change setups because of lack of foresight.

WeedFreak78 said:

I've destroyed my eyes trying to read all of this...., but am glad it's out there, thanks Stinkbud!
I've been working on designing a 4 rail(5x5 fence,48"L), 6 sites( 8" spacing) per rail system, run off appx 30 gal res( 54 gal rubbermaid) running 2 400gph pumps plumbed into a common manifold, feeding 4- 48" runs of 1/2" pvc which are going to be mounted outside the rails and will each feed 7 ezclone 360 sprayers through 1/4" irrigation lines. So pretty much a doubled up flower unit rather than 2 separate. I'm running dual pumps in the big res so I can have one type of pump only( 400gph) throughout all the systems for easy of swapping/replacement. I'm running my 1/2" pvc feed lines outside the rails only because I think it will make cleaning and maintenance easier..I'm still trying to figure out an easy way to make the end caps seal AND be easily removable..one thing at a time..lol

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It's sounds like you put a lot of thought into your new system. I'm exactly the same way bro! I like thinking...in fact I think people should try it more often, especially politicians. I like the idea of using two pumps especially if you can make the whole system redundant. That way if one pump goes bad you still have the other one to keep the plants alive long enough for you to fix it. My buddies pump went out last week and he lost all his plants but one. That's the thing with Aeroponics, you really need to be around to make sure things are working. I've always had just a small closet grow that's easy to stay on top of. If I don't hear my sprayers coming on for a few minutes I'm all over it. Of course it's rarely an issue but it is reassuring (and calming) hearing the water.

My first system (store bought) used external plumbing w/hoses feeding each sprayer. A PVC pipe ran lengthwise and little black hoses were attached to fittings on one side and the sprayers on the other. So why did I change to internal sprayers? Leaks! When you run everything external, one drip will drive you nuts. Even the smallest leak will cover your grow room floor with water. I had 14 plant sites with a sprayer on each side for a total of 28 sprayers. With the hose type assembly you have 28 connections X3 to deal with. There are potential leaks everywhere, fittings, hose connections, sprayers, etc. If you do end up with a even a small leak you'll wake up to a drained res and water everywhere.

That's why I came up with the internal spray assembly. Only one connection point per sprayer and even if it did leak, the water only has one place to go, inside the rail. Maintenance is also a lot easier. You can take the entire spray wand out and rinse it off in one easy step. I designed my system so that as long as the end caps are sealed it is impossible to flood your home. Of course I say that but the truth is, there is a stoner out there bound and determined to flood the shit out of everything no matter what I say!

Which reminds me...always use a hand spray wand on your garden hose that requires you to hold it down when you are filling your res with water. That way when the phone rings you have to let go and stop the water or at least stand right there watching it fill up. Trust me on this people... LOL

On to the end caps, the only place you can have a damaging leak if you do it wrong. I've used window seal, silicon, tape, you name it and I've tried it. That's why I use 2 applications of 5-min epoxy on the caps. The first on the inside, then I stick the cap on. After the first application hardens I put another layer on the outside and make sure the epoxy fills all the gaps. The other end is always left unattached so you can clean and rinse the rails after each harvest.

Make sure you think about some sort of Scrog method. I use two layers of 4" netting. Some people think the screen is there to support the plants (which it does) but it's actually a lot more important for training your plants. To maximize your harvest you need to increase the budding sites on each plant. If you super-crop your plants and keep training them down, you can significantly increase your harvest. The goal is to fill every square inch of the grow space with bud sites but keep the whole grow canopy only a couple of feet thick.

Fuck, now I'm talking too much again! Anyway, good luck with the grow bro. Be sure and post photos or even think about starting your own thread. That's how it all began with me...

StinkBud said:

I like the idea of using two pumps especially if you can make the whole system redundant. That way if one pump goes bad you still have the other one to keep the plants alive long enough for you to fix it. My buddies pump went out last week and he lost all his plants but one.

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Along with double pumps I'm going to be sizing a UPS as well, I'm preparing for the worst before I even start anything in the system, ya know the 7p's.

StinkBud said:

My first system (store bought) used external plumbing w/hoses feeding each sprayer. A PVC pipe ran lengthwise and little black hoses were attached to fittings on one side and the sprayers on the other. So why did I change to internal sprayers? Leaks! When you run everything external, one drip will drive you nuts. Even the smallest leak will cover your grow room floor with water. I had 14 plant sites with a sprayer on each side for a total of 28 sprayers. With the hose type assembly you have 28 connections X3 to deal with. There are potential leaks everywhere, fittings, hose connections, sprayers, etc. If you do end up with a even a small leak you'll wake up to a drained res and water everywhere.

That's why I came up with the internal spray assembly. Only one connection point per sprayer and even if it did leak, the water only has one place to go, inside the rail. Maintenance is also a lot easier. You can take the entire spray wand out and rinse it off in one easy step. I designed my system so that as long as the end caps are sealed it is impossible to flood your home. Of course I say that but the truth is, there is a stoner out there bound and determined to flood the shit out of everything no matter what I say!

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I'll have to think about this some more, I see the benefits of both designs. I don't see how a leak free system isn't possible, there are so many different fluid systems out there of similar design that don't leak, i think it's just a matter of getting the correct fittings/etc and liberal use of teflon tape/silicone/hose clamps. I'm going to give it a shot, i have it designed so if it doesn't work the spray nozzle will still screw into the 1/2" and it can then be used as an internal sprabar, so minimal waste if it doesn't work. I've also thought about spills, the floor in my room is rubber lined and sealed to contain appx 200gal, I'll only be running appx 75-100gals total, with a drain to a sump pump. I did this mainly so i could do a once a year teardown and douching of the whole room easily.

StinkBud said:

On to the end caps, the only place you can have a damaging leak if you do it wrong. I've used window seal, silicon, tape, you name it and I've tried it. That's why I use 2 applications of 5-min epoxy on the caps. The first on the inside, then I stick the cap on. After the first application hardens I put another layer on the outside and make sure the epoxy fills all the gaps. The other end is always left unattached so you can clean and rinse the rails after each harvest.

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How well did silicone work? i was thinking it would be the best option because i could still remove the end caps between runs and just reapply the silicone once cleaned. How much of a PITA is it to clean the far end of a rail with an epoxied on cap? I mean you don't get much access through a 2" netpot hole and a i don't see a sponge/brush on the end of a 4' pole being very effective at scrubbing in the corners..

StinkBud said:

Make sure you think about some sort of Scrog method. I use two layers of 4" netting. Some people think the screen is there to support the plants (which it does) but it's actually a lot more important for training your plants. To maximize your harvest you need to increase the budding sites on each plant. If you super-crop your plants and keep training them down, you can significantly increase your harvest. The goal is to fill every square inch of the grow space with bud sites but keep the whole grow canopy only a couple of feet thick.

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I was originally planning on sog because i thought i was going to have under 30" of flowering height, but after mocking stuff up, and raising my ceiling, i have at least 40" of flowering height, so there will be a screen for at least support. I'm exited about the extra 10"+ of height, it's going to allow me to run some sativas that i thought i was going to have to do in a separate system

StinkBud said:

Fuck, now I'm talking too much again! Anyway, good luck with the grow bro. Be sure and post photos or even think about starting your own thread. That's how it all began with me...

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Thanks for the help and knowledge. It's great having forums like this where you can actually ask "the guy" about his methods,thoughts and have intellectual discussions about this stuff. Hope you stick around for a long time, I've seen to many guys get burned out on these forums and disappear.

Hey stinky ol buddy! Everything has been running amazingly! I'm coming up on a harvest and it was the easiest grow I have ever done, plus at one point I went to Spain for two weeks and the system took care of itself perfectly! no muss nor fuss! but I have a question for you; what PPM do you run in the final weeks I have mine around 360 (and about 100ppm are benes) I was thinking of just topping off for another week or two until I decide they're ripe, and then run fresh water for 2-3 days while keeping them in total darkness. thoughts?

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joespit said:

Hey stinky ol buddy! Everything has been running amazingly! I'm coming up on a harvest and it was the easiest grow I have ever done, plus at one point I went to Spain for two weeks and the system took care of itself perfectly! no muss nor fuss! but I have a question for you; what PPM do you run in the final weeks I have mine around 360 (and about 100ppm are benes) I was thinking of just topping off for another week or two until I decide they're ripe, and then run fresh water for 2-3 days while keeping them in total darkness. thoughts?
...is it weird for me to say I love you?

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I'm really glad to hear things are going well for you! You should be good to go at harvest time. If you really want a nice flush you could drain the res and fill it with plain water and 150PPM of nutes. Then add 540ml of Botanicare Sweet to the res. I like all the flavors. The truth is the PPM might end up higher than what you're currently running, that's why I'm thinking you're fine.

Flushing is not that big of a deal if you run your nutes on the weak side. I like my plants to be turning yellow/purple/blue/red (depending on strain) right before harvest. Think about this for a second... Indica/Afgan plants all came from areas that experience extreme shifts in temperatures. The Hindu Kush mountains get very cold at night, especially in the Fall. As the temps drop the plants start to experience nutrient lockout. Without the nutrients the plants are unable to continue to produce Chlorophyll (green). As the green goes away we are able to see the plant's other pigments normally covered up by all the green. So plants don't actually turn purple or blue, the colors have been there the whole time. The same thing happens outdoors up here in the Great North West. It get's fucking cold at night late Summer and early Fall.

I remember an experiment I did in a collage biology class. We took green leafs from trees and ground them up in a blender. Then we used a piece of test paper to suck up the juice. As the plant juice was sucked up the paper it left colored bands depending on the weight of the pigment. It's cool shit if you're a fucking geek like me! lol

Most people harvest too early and don't flush. With a good strain you will still get some killer smoke. In fact it may even have more of an energetic high than buds harvested later in the window. Try this experiment. Harvest half of each plant and leave the rest for another week. Drain the res and add some Sweet. Wait until the half you left turns yellow and then harvest them. Let both batches dry slowly and cure. Then do a test. Which do you like best? You might like the high from the first harvest best but the taste of the second batch. You may even like smoking the early harvest in the morning and late harvest at night. It's all good...

"...is it weird for me to say I love you?" Too funny bro!

I honestly love everyone including my enemies. I love each and everyone of you. What would this world be like if everyone stopped hating and replaced all that anger with love. No more wars or needless death. Instead of spending all our money on weapons we could spend it on finding the cure for cancer! Oh shit, there I go, better get off my soapbox before someone gets hurt! LOL

Hope all is well stink! Couple more questions for u as I design my room... I'd like to do the three units three weeks each for a 9 week total flower cycle....
(1) do you leave each unit in one spot the whole 9 weeks or move plants across the room in a shortest to tallest sort of arrangement.
(2) I'd like at least 4 arrows in my quiver, can you elaborate on how to mix and match multiple varieties while managing their different heights and structures? Do you prefer to keep one variety per rail, etc? Also is it hard to keep multiple varieties going, i assume if you keep some longer in the clone and veg rooms its manageable...
(3) I plan to start from seed and have NO interest in male plants ( for now), am I better off buying feminized seeds and risking the issues I've read about or getting random and ditching the males when they show their evil lil pee-pee buds...

Thanks, as always, for any feedback!

Cream corn Chris said:

Hope all is well stink! Couple more questions for u as I design my room... I'd like to do the three units three weeks each for a 9 week total flower cycle....
(1) do you leave each unit in one spot the whole 9 weeks or move plants across the room in a shortest to tallest sort of arrangement.
(2) I'd like at least 4 arrows in my quiver, can you elaborate on how to mix and match multiple varieties while managing their different heights and structures? Do you prefer to keep one variety per rail, etc? Also is it hard to keep multiple varieties going, i assume if you keep some longer in the clone and veg rooms its manageable...
(3) I plan to start from seed and have NO interest in male plants ( for now), am I better off buying feminized seeds and risking the issues I've read about or getting random and ditching the males when they show their evil lil pee-pee buds...

Thanks, as always, for any feedback!

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1) You don't have to move the racks if you don't want to. With my current grow we have 3 lights so we just leave each rack where we start it. In my new grow I'm only running 2 lights to start with. I'll be putting the youngest rack in the middle between the 2 lights and then move them over to the side in 3 weeks when I bring in the new rack.

2) If you run multiple strains you may have to harvest some plants earlier than others. What you do is harvest most of the branches on the plants that are done but leave enough for it to stay alive. That way you won't kill the roots of the other plants by leaving a bunch of crap in the rails. Pull all the root balls at once during the last harvest.

3) Feminized seed are the way to go unless you just can't get a certain strain you want any other way. Some breeders swear by regular seeds and feel that feminized seed promote hermies.

I've been wanting this one strain of Tahoe OG for awhile now. The last plant we had turned male. We are saving the pollen and going to breed it with some Blue Cheese and Kosher Kush I have in veg right now.

Good luck with your grow bro!

Day 29 for these girls, clones taken 12-20 2 weeks later roots popped. I had to pluck some leaves off the smaller ones prior and it slowed them down some. But DAMN those other 3 in just a week of being in the system tripled in size or more.

I started my nutes out at 625 ppm, and slowly raised to just over 1010 ppm yesterday. I was going to make a small manifold out of these but they don't have the structure for it, and I didn't like how they we're taken as clones... But oh well, they are doing great anyhow.

Day 29 of veg right?

Day 29 since they had been taken and put into the cloner, day 17 since they popped roots.

Either way yes, still veg for another week or so. Don't need monster plants, yet..

Boosted 95z said:

Day 29 since they had been taken and put into the cloner, day 17 since they popped roots. Either way yes, still veg for another week or so. Don't need monster plants, yet..

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Your plants will grow about 5x in size from when you first put them into flower and final harvest. With my medical grow I have to keep my veg plants under 12 inches in girth/height so I end up cropping the bigger plants. Even when I put them in at 12" they still end up 3-4 ft tall. That's why I use a double layer of netting. It allows me to train the plants down.

It's amazing to watch a good Aero system in action. You can literally watch the plants grow. One time I set up a time lapse video of my plants over their full 12 hours light cycle. I couldn't believe how much they moved! They wiggled and danced all day long. I should try to find that video or better yet, make a new one.

It is truly amazing to see, I'm learning a lot along the way too. For me, that's just typical gardening stuff that I'm learning, this is my first ever grow. With the tent I have 7ft of head room, so maybe only 6ft once the light is raised all the way up.

They just seemed touchy to the light, they got a little sunburn kinda quick. Which may cause me to flower them a little sooner just to see where I'll be.

My state is awesome, I don't have a plant size limit, just a "usable dried marihuana" limit of 2.5oz.

StinkBud said:

Your plants will grow about 5x in size from when you first put them into flower and final harvest. With my medical grow I have to keep my veg plants under 12 inches in girth/height so I end up cropping the bigger plants. Even when I put them in at 12" they still end up 3-4 ft tall. That's why I use a double layer of netting. It allows me to train the plants down.

It's amazing to watch a good Aero system in action. You can literally watch the plants grow. One time I set up a time lapse video of my plants over their full 12 hours light cycle. I couldn't believe how much they moved! They wiggled and danced all day long. I should try to find that video or better yet, make a new one.

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I would like to see that if you find it! Did you time lapse the entire flower period?

Boosted 95z said:

It is truly amazing to see, I'm learning a lot along the way too. For me, that's just typical gardening stuff that I'm learning, this is my first ever grow. With the tent I have 7ft of head room, so maybe only 6ft once the light is raised all the way up.

They just seemed touchy to the light, they got a little sunburn kinda quick. Which may cause me to flower them a little sooner just to see where I'll be.

My state is awesome, I don't have a plant size limit, just a "usable dried marihuana" limit of 2.5oz.

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2.5 oz is a limit for sure. Man, my last harvest in aero was 15 oz with only 4 plants plus a shitty runt.