Having a hard time with soil

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puffdatchronic said:
Soil i been growing 10 yrs

Veg , against all the advice you get on forums, keep to a minimum.
I stumbled upon this advice on sagarmathas website. A legendery breeder.
He says to veg plants to 7 nodes. That is a really small plant and aprox 2 weeks veg time.
The result is a plant that ends up 2 to 3 foot and minimal wasted height.

Feeding wise. Start off in 1 litre pots, as seedling. No feed required. At 7 nodes transplant into 4 gal pots into nute rich soil and flip light.
Next water light n and calmag feed.
Week 2 into the flowering nutes
Week 3 or 4 more cal mag
Plain water every 2 or 3 waterings.
Lift your pot to determine if its nearly dry. Only water at that point
Week 8/9 just water

Note you need to find out if you live in a hard or soft water area . Hard water may not develope cal or mag defs
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When things go right, that's pretty much what has been my recipe. I've got 1 plant that is doing well and I don't know why. If I could copy that and do it all the time, I'd be happy. I definitely like the ~7 nodes, too much taller and they take up too much space. Seems like about the perfect size plant for my tents. Only thing is they go through a lot of expensive seeds!

I think I'm going to repot the very small ones I posted about earlier... or can I transfer them over to hydro? I have those clay ball medium coming in the mail. There's no local stores except walmart (rural) and mail is taking weeks to get anything so I'm kind of stuck with what I have and those clay balls that should be arriving. Plants will die I think before I can order and go with something else. So I gotta kind of do something with what I have, can't go ordering this or that. What I have is a huge bag of perlite, that junk walmart soil, and some starter soil that is 100% sphagnum peat moss. Maybe try replanting 2 in the spagnum and a lot of perlite, and the other 2 switch to hydro once that comes in the mail?


Anyways, here's a picture of my current 1 success, the one to the left. The right one, not sure what happened but it stopped growing. Might be smoke-able but seems like it died prematurely. I turned the far light off as it blinded the camera. I know people will say they're cheap lights, but they've grown really good dope in the past. I don't think that's my issue. All signs point to bad soil, maybe too much moisture, bad fertilizer, and maybe my feeding/watering schedule. I also didn't add any calcium or magnesium (I haven't ever until this last grow, but they still failed). Maybe my issue is too much limestone? I didn't use any magnesium initially and sprayed the leaves with a solution after the stems came up purple. That actually made a couple of them grow a tiny bit but then stop again.

Actually, looking at my own photo, I see I used a TON of perlite, maybe that's why its doing well?
 

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rundlescunder said:
burpee organix premium mix. been running it and the only issue I have is my plant gets droopy right before I feed it. I been feeding it everyday since I found how to deal with coco cause I didnt even realize I had coco, someone on here pointed it out to me she looks ok to me tho. been using distilled and purified water so I think the ro/di water shouldbe good
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Good luck
 
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rundlescunder said:
im gonna try this can you top and train a plant when its flowering?
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I advise just tying down.. has the same effect as topping and you get to keep the best top..you can bend it down well into flowering , before the stems get woody. Some strains are better than others for it
 
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basketballer said:
When things go right, that's pretty much what has been my recipe. I've got 1 plant that is doing well and I don't know why. If I could copy that and do it all the time, I'd be happy. I definitely like the ~7 nodes, too much taller and they take up too much space. Seems like about the perfect size plant for my tents. Only thing is they go through a lot of expensive seeds!

I think I'm going to repot the very small ones I posted about earlier... or can I transfer them over to hydro? I have those clay ball medium coming in the mail. There's no local stores except walmart (rural) and mail is taking weeks to get anything so I'm kind of stuck with what I have and those clay balls that should be arriving. Plants will die I think before I can order and go with something else. So I gotta kind of do something with what I have, can't go ordering this or that. What I have is a huge bag of perlite, that junk walmart soil, and some starter soil that is 100% sphagnum peat moss. Maybe try replanting 2 in the spagnum and a lot of perlite, and the other 2 switch to hydro once that comes in the mail?


Anyways, here's a picture of my current 1 success, the one to the left. The right one, not sure what happened but it stopped growing. Might be smoke-able but seems like it died prematurely. I turned the far light off as it blinded the camera. I know people will say they're cheap lights, but they've grown really good dope in the past. I don't think that's my issue. All signs point to bad soil, maybe too much moisture, bad fertilizer, and maybe my feeding/watering schedule. I also didn't add any calcium or magnesium (I haven't ever until this last grow, but they still failed). Maybe my issue is too much limestone? I didn't use any magnesium initially and sprayed the leaves with a solution after the stems came up purple. That actually made a couple of them grow a tiny bit but then stop again.

Actually, looking at my own photo, I see I used a TON of perlite, maybe that's why its doing well?
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Im not sure about the transfer to hydro from soil.. you could try it as an experiment.

Just a few other lessons learned.. ill share.
Definitely dont go crazy with nutes. Make sure you heed the advice on the bag of soil about how much fert is already in there.
Thats why i transplant thrn flip right away.. the plant can use up that pre fert during the stretch
Light stress is another thing to watch out for , even leds ,while cool are capable of light stressing your leafs.. again just follow the manufactures recommendations. And start bending them down if they start getting to close
 
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puffdatchronic said:
Im not sure about the transfer to hydro from soil.. you could try it as an experiment.

Just a few other lessons learned.. ill share.
Definitely dont go crazy with nutes. Make sure you heed the advice on the bag of soil about how much fert is already in there.
Thats why i transplant thrn flip right away.. the plant can use up that pre fert during the stretch
Light stress is another thing to watch out for , even leds ,while cool are capable of light stressing your leafs.. again just follow the manufactures recommendations. And start bending them down if they start getting to close
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I never know if I'm giving them too much fertilzer or too little. I've been using about half the concentration they recommend and half as often (using water the other times). If anything I'm giving them too little out of fear that's whats causing my problems. They don't seem to respond to fertilizer, so I haven't given them more.

As far as lights, it doesn't seem ilike they're too close, as that same setup has grown very well in the past. The pic above with the plant about how I like it, started out in that other tent. I do kind of a 2 tent process. First they do veg in the tent that has the 4 plants (pic posted earlier). And then they go into the flowering tent which is the 2nd pic I posted with the 2 plants, 1 doing well and the other stopped growing.
 
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