Op needs to do alot more reading! Leaves turning pink means it's a potassium deficiency? wth? You say you've done hundreds of hours of research, yet after all that, you're still not sure if calcium (the element that should be present in highest quantities), is mobile or immobile??? You need alot more reading done..and some of the advice or suggestions here make no sense either...nutrients travel upward or whatever someone said lol..oh my. First off..your humidity at 70% is a disaster!!! In flower, what do you think will happen? With humidity being so very high, plants don't need to take as much water from the medium, they take it from the overly moist air, which contains no food for them! Once you know your ph, and with your mix, it should be low 6's...not past 6.4 for sure! ffof is not soil..not all 'dirt' is soil..its sphagnum peat moss for the most part with some amendments...that alone should be given 5.8-6.3 waterings..add in coco..and ya..above 6.3 is easily too high and would also cause an issue with calcium. That purpling you see is from temps dropping too low, and if it does, even for just one night, you will see those pinkish/purple tints on the leaves! Combined with the high humidity, and yes, you may very well be looking at mold, if not now, then by harvest for sure..inside the buds...botrytis. Get the humidity back to normal..40-50% max..overnight maybe can approach 60% but not higher...and temps should stay very close to 70..ideally not under 65 at lights off. You say your watering was very low ph last..4 or something? That in itself would make aluminum more available to the plant, which also would cause issues with other cations, namely calcium, magnesium and potassium.
Help! Leafs dying
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AndromedaM31
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To be honest guys, I cant see any deficiencies or even lockout, destroying the leafs as fast as it's happening..
I removed almost all of the bad affected ones yesterday and in 24 hours this is the amount of damage now.
All 3 plants are facing it, but 1 is way way worse than the others
I removed almost all of the bad affected ones yesterday and in 24 hours this is the amount of damage now.
All 3 plants are facing it, but 1 is way way worse than the others
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AndromedaM31
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Really dont feel like replying to all that bullshit, but I'll say that, my temps never go below 70 during dark.
1 single time during veg they did, and went to 65 for a few hours.
That must be what's causing the pink leafs almost 2 months after
All that bullshit??? lol..dude, you're on here posting daily with a new problem, i take time out to post and you call it bullshit? lol...whatever...curious at your new post tmr and what it is lol. If your humidity is at 70% for 2 weeks..either you're growing in a steam room, or yes..your temps are too low, hence why humidity goes up..colder air cant hold as much water, thus rh goes up! Whatever..figure it out yourself..im not wasting time on your dumb ass! lol keep growing at 70% humidity, and wonder why the plants don't take up water and suffer nutrient/ph issues lol. No wonder you don't get help..because you're a smart ass who seems to know more than everyone..so do it yourself genius! Cya!
Thundercat
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I'm not trying to be unpleasant and I'm definitely not butt hurt your not agreeing with me. I don't really care if you harvest. I've just been watching this all progress on the 3-4 threads you've posted asking people for help. Along the way I've tried to offer advice and so have others.
I offered advice on the PH issue on this thread FYI, and I believe it was also discussed weeks ago in your first thread when the brown spots first started.
You keep saying deficiencies can't happen this fast but it's not been fast. It's been a gradual progression over a few weeks which is normal. It's just getting really bad at this point because the plants are trying their best to grow buds to desperately try and survive.
If it is ph lock out you could try flushing the medium and resetting the PH. They will need nutrients though so you need to figure out how to achieve that. They are only half way through flower right now. It's a bad time to be chasing issues but I think it's definitely worth trying to save the harvest.
I offered advice on the PH issue on this thread FYI, and I believe it was also discussed weeks ago in your first thread when the brown spots first started.
You keep saying deficiencies can't happen this fast but it's not been fast. It's been a gradual progression over a few weeks which is normal. It's just getting really bad at this point because the plants are trying their best to grow buds to desperately try and survive.
If it is ph lock out you could try flushing the medium and resetting the PH. They will need nutrients though so you need to figure out how to achieve that. They are only half way through flower right now. It's a bad time to be chasing issues but I think it's definitely worth trying to save the harvest.
Leave the kid be...he asks for help daily for months and months and then when it's offered, he knows it all and it can't be this and that, well then, he knows alot, why ask for help or input...i've spent years learning this and have grown hundreds of plants, some newbies are well-read and know-it-all..eventually they will learn, they actually knew very little
Im in charge of 80-90 plants in my section, yes i do this for a living, legit/paid with a company that produces to sell to the public. i laugh at most posts here, but when kids come on asking for help and they have no idea what they are doing...sorry, when one says i have done hundreds of hours of research, but idk if Ca is mobile or immobile..it goes to show the level of their understanding and reading/comprehension skills...so replies like his shouldn't be shocking either!
Budzbuddha
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Interesting thread ... so here’s my 2 pesos.
Your MIX is the problem ... coco loves 5.8 to about 6.2 ... FFOF is PREBUFFERED to 6.3.
Coco holds water ... which leads to overwatering which in hand when running blurple lights leads to excessive RH ( your 70 % issue ) and those plants will not transpire anywhere as quickly as using say hps / hid lights.
You are inviting mold something fierce ... your flowers should be at the most in the lower 40%.
With your stated RH , that’s the RH you would get when growing clones in a dome !
I would be surprised if you don’t end up with botrytis .
Calcium deficiency usually is at top and mids , magnesium lower and older.
Using blurple is a given that CALMAG is always added.
Blurple also makes you use LESS feed. FFOF is pretty complete right out of the bag and only really needs 30% more perlite to be just right.
IMO ... you must control the RH ... period. Plus you must allow some drying to happen and NOT water/feed daily. I would steep a bag of FFOF ( make a tea ) , add calmag to it , ph it to 6.3 and use this only as feed . ( no other bottles or Nutes ).
Next time use either or separately as base medium.
Your MIX is the problem ... coco loves 5.8 to about 6.2 ... FFOF is PREBUFFERED to 6.3.
Coco holds water ... which leads to overwatering which in hand when running blurple lights leads to excessive RH ( your 70 % issue ) and those plants will not transpire anywhere as quickly as using say hps / hid lights.
You are inviting mold something fierce ... your flowers should be at the most in the lower 40%.
With your stated RH , that’s the RH you would get when growing clones in a dome !
I would be surprised if you don’t end up with botrytis .
Calcium deficiency usually is at top and mids , magnesium lower and older.
Using blurple is a given that CALMAG is always added.
Blurple also makes you use LESS feed. FFOF is pretty complete right out of the bag and only really needs 30% more perlite to be just right.
IMO ... you must control the RH ... period. Plus you must allow some drying to happen and NOT water/feed daily. I would steep a bag of FFOF ( make a tea ) , add calmag to it , ph it to 6.3 and use this only as feed . ( no other bottles or Nutes ).
Next time use either or separately as base medium.
AndromedaM31
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Lol I'm not even going to read any of the garbage yall just wrote.
What the fuck are you guys even doing on this forum??
I didnt read anywhere that the rules of the forum were to be complete dicks to people you dont agree with.
Other than the people actually being kinds and trying to help, fuck off and stay off my posts.
You're wasting your time and my time with your arrogant bullshit.
What the fuck are you guys even doing on this forum??
I didnt read anywhere that the rules of the forum were to be complete dicks to people you dont agree with.
Other than the people actually being kinds and trying to help, fuck off and stay off my posts.
You're wasting your time and my time with your arrogant bullshit.
Thundercat
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Lmao wow. Even when some people are trying to be nice you choose to lash out at others. That seems to be what ends most of your threads to some extent.
I'm sorry you've decided to feel this way. The only reason I'm on this forum is to share ideas and help newer growers because I remember what it's like.
Reading for hours is not the same as growing hundreds of plants.
Budzbuddha
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*tears
Medicated Bonsai
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I enjoyed reading this.
AndromedaM31
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To the people who have actually been trying help kindly, I appreciate it very much.
Things arent going very well but they're still alive for now.
The same damage is spreading like crazy along the top leaves.
One plant is being destroyed hourly and the other 2 arent nearly as bad but still taking s lot of damage.
Last resort should I flush them with water with a ph slightly higher than what I need?
I believe they're locked out
Things arent going very well but they're still alive for now.
The same damage is spreading like crazy along the top leaves.
One plant is being destroyed hourly and the other 2 arent nearly as bad but still taking s lot of damage.
Last resort should I flush them with water with a ph slightly higher than what I need?
I believe they're locked out
AndromedaM31
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And they all seem live they've quit growing completely..
Sigh......
You are 1/2 hydro 1/2 soil. You have no pH meter and you are running humidity over 70%. Your VPD is choking them and you will soon have PM if you don't have it now.
Reduce your humidity
Dry your plants feet out
For your next grow commit to either hydro or soil (choose one and learn it before trying to hybridize when you can't read plant symptoms)
Good luck on reaching the end. Whatever you do do NOT smoke moldy bud. It may not hurt you now but it can come back on you as you age if you have innoculated your lungs.
AndromedaM31
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Well I went out looking for a dehumidifier on the budget I had, and the best I could do was a airconditioner with dehumidifier mode. Claims it can pull almost 40 liters per day.
But it blows insanely cold air out, so I had to get a powerful space heater, and of course running both of them keeps tripping the breaker..
Does each outlet have a 15-20 amp limit, or does each breaker that the outlets run through?
And it's also blowing 130° air out the back.. which seems really high, but then again the air coming out the front is extremely cold.
And based on thermodynamics law of heat transfer, it would make sense that if its 75° inside, and its blowing 30° air out the front, that it would blow 115° air out the back.
But for it to blow 130 air out the back it would have to be blowing 15° air out the front which it's hard to believe that its blowing that cold of air..
Maybe my understandng of thermodynamics is incorrect
But it blows insanely cold air out, so I had to get a powerful space heater, and of course running both of them keeps tripping the breaker..
Does each outlet have a 15-20 amp limit, or does each breaker that the outlets run through?
And it's also blowing 130° air out the back.. which seems really high, but then again the air coming out the front is extremely cold.
And based on thermodynamics law of heat transfer, it would make sense that if its 75° inside, and its blowing 30° air out the front, that it would blow 115° air out the back.
But for it to blow 130 air out the back it would have to be blowing 15° air out the front which it's hard to believe that its blowing that cold of air..
Maybe my understandng of thermodynamics is incorrect
Puff_Dragon
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Sorry to just 'stick my nose in' so late in the game I'm sure it's less likely but could it be an excess of iron? I believe that can show as 'rusty' leaves at the top of the plant.
I'm sure it's less likely but could it be an excess of iron? I believe that can show as 'rusty' leaves at the top of the plant.
70's natureboy
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Pretty interesting. I have never seen that in my lifetime. That's why I like reading these experimental threads I guess. We have lots of threads with problems with coco and problems with Ocean Forest. It's cool to combine the two to see what happens so others don't make the same decisions. It's still easier to do the boring common grows like everybody else does.
AndromedaM31
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Yeah it didnt really work out too great I guess.
I mean, they absolutely thrived during veg, and the first 2 weeks of flowering went good too. But ever since that 2 week mark it's been kinda downhill.
I've got 2 of them stable and dont seem to be getting any worse, but the 1 is literally getting worse by the hour. Taking out every leaf. Even the small ones around the buds and the sugar leafs are getting affected too now
I mean, they absolutely thrived during veg, and the first 2 weeks of flowering went good too. But ever since that 2 week mark it's been kinda downhill.
I've got 2 of them stable and dont seem to be getting any worse, but the 1 is literally getting worse by the hour. Taking out every leaf. Even the small ones around the buds and the sugar leafs are getting affected too now
70's natureboy
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That's why I love DWC. If I run into a problem I can mix up another bucket and change it in just a few minutes. Good luck, I hope they can soldier through and make some buds.