Help me start my perpetual garden

I do dtw coco though so not sure how to set that up. Other than I think you said setup flood tables so it can just rain down.

Looks like the Lemon Bubble initially mentioned will make it but meh. Will take too long to get to the neighboring plant in growth. If the new bean doesnt pop, I got this one.

I guess I could pot it and put it aside if they all make it. I thought 48hrs was enough to call it a dud but damn perpetuating always gives me pressure.

I think I will keep the clones to learn revegging and use them in my next run to up my cloning skills. I keep going back and forth in plans and may again.

I just dont like the super shark enough to run one or two of them. I dont always need high thc but 10% is pretty low and so the rosin might lack a kick to it.

The mother plant air laying idea, I would need a solid game plan to do and need more time to plan that. One of these runs I would like to try it.

Yep my man, exactly right, you know whats up. Keep a 2x4 tray under the big mom in the 2x4 tent because it will rain down a bit, both the small bit of runoff (especially if using bigger open top pots as the pods) and probably some medium here and there too. I'll admit it was kind of messy last time I re-wrapped my already rooted AL branches with bigger pots of coco a few years back, and continued to veg them for weeks afterwords instead of cutting away... but it was the first time I tried, on a massive 8-10ft wide indoor hydro plant.. I used strings everywhere to keep them upright so the pots wouldn't flop around and spill out. Some did, but I have new ideas these days to keep them from doing that if using regular pots, like putting a mesh over the top, etc

I guess it would be better to just wrap it up with a big wad of coco and a plastic sack or saran wrap to start with if getting the biggest clones & root systems possible was part of the plan, and then drop it in a 1 gallon or bigger pot after you cut it, so everything stays contained in the wrap and keeps the tent clean.. I was in RDWC with the mom, so I worried more about stuff falling down in the res. If the mother was in coco, I probably wouldn't even care tbh.

Your definitely probably better off spending the time hunting the clones you want for now, and getting a feel on perpetuating any cycles with the particular strain you choose before trying advanced methods with it.

Coco works great for air layering btw, just a little messier than using RW or plugs, etc.

Also, I actually prefer re-vegged "supercropped" clones to turn into my mother plants. I love how mutated and bushy they get as the re veg. It seems you might already be on the right track to growing one out if you keep one of your clones for awhile

Yes, it does take time to get setup the way I describe. Mostly waiting to grow out a big enough mother plant that you can cut upwards of 50% away without killing it, but also having that 50% you take be enough to fill the flower tent within a few minutes, while expecting they will stretch a little bit as they do. Scrogging is the way, because you can force whatever the clones come out like to be a nice flat canopy no matter what for the most part.

I'm rebuilding my entire grow op to revolve around air layering my vegging plants directly in half, and perpetually flowering the gigantic clones I pull from each one right away.

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Yep my man, exactly right, you know whats up. Keep a 2x4 tray under the big mom in the 2x4 tent because it will rain down a bit, both the small bit of runoff (especially if using bigger open top pots as the pods) and probably some medium here and there too. I'll admit it was kind of messy last time I re-wrapped my already rooted AL branches with bigger pots of coco a few years back, and continued to veg them for weeks afterwords instead of cutting away... but it was the first time I tried, on a massive 8-10ft wide indoor hydro plant.. I used strings everywhere to keep them upright so the pots wouldn't flop around and spill out. Some did, but I have new ideas these days to keep them from doing that if using regular pots, like putting a mesh over the top, etc

I guess it would be better to just wrap it up with a big wad of coco and a plastic sack or saran wrap to start with if getting the biggest clones & root systems possible was part of the plan, and then drop it in a 1 gallon or bigger pot after you cut it, so everything stays contained in the wrap and keeps the tent clean.. I was in RDWC with the mom, so I worried more about stuff falling down in the res. If the mother was in coco, I probably wouldn't even care tbh.

Your definitely probably better off spending the time hunting the clones you want for now, and getting a feel on perpetuating any cycles with the particular strain you choose before trying advanced methods with it.

Coco works great for air layering btw, just a little messier than using RW or plugs, etc.

Also, I actually prefer re-vegged "supercropped" clones to turn into my mother plants. I love how mutated and bushy they get as the re veg. It seems you might already be on the right track to growing one out if you keep one of your clones for awhile

Yes, it does take time to get setup the way I describe. Mostly waiting to grow out a big enough mother plant that you can cut upwards of 50% away without killing it, but also having that 50% you take be enough to fill the flower tent within a few minutes, while expecting they will stretch a little bit as they do. Scrogging is the way, because you can force whatever the clones come out like to be a nice flat canopy no matter what for the most part.

I'm rebuilding my entire grow op to revolve around air layering my vegging plants directly in half, and perpetually flowering the gigantic clones I pull from each one right away.

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Thanks for the further details, I was wondering. I keep getting a better idea of what to do now but like you said, a whole run could go by before I do and may as well start off with beans and find a strain I like. Start cloning next runs and then spend more dough and blueprint air laying, basically your suggestion.

It is a great idea, I just will start out wrapping root riot plugs around stems and get a feel for it and eventually do what you said. Set up diy halos or buy 6” ones. If it is 6” I think I just found that to be pointless doing diy.

But yea, make a huge mother with air layering branches and then you just chop it below the wrapped pot. Can you do 2 gallons or 3 gallons coco? Does the mother make one canopy per chop site that you then carry to flower tent, so after chopping down the mother, what does it look like? Just a bunch of amputated branches with some leaf matter and nodes to re veg? Or in my case just two.. Just making sure I am understanding.

It keeps clicking mentally then suddenly realize where I still have some thinking to do. So yea I will need some time on this. What ever examples you have of pics or etc would help, I can probably find some too. Rock wool would be something I would look into. I keep forgetting about it but if I am not mistaken it is like dtw coco.

I keep thinking I need 3 gallons coco but could try out less like many do. I just want two huge plants that make like 8 oz or more each.

I think in my case air layering would be easier because I just want to fill a 2.5x5. Just a flood table and one mother, mainlined with two air layering sites that get wrapped with medium and chopped just below.

Could you/would you transplant into a little larger pot if to veg two more weeks at the time of chopping air layers clones?

But the tent is 2x4 veg so I may need to veg a little longer, week or two before flip if it is a indica strain that just chooses its height, barely stretches and flowers. Some strains, the ones I like are spears that spear out and you would WANT to flip at 2x2 in my case.

The air layering idea just clicked, I think I know what to do now. I just pictured more than two air latered sites and canopys just being high. Soon as I applied it to my situation it clicked.

Just start clone hunting and pick one or two mothers and mainline or grow out two plants to chop 50%. I am going to want the kind of strains that spear out and could flip right from 2x2 to 2.5x2.5 with scrog.

And yea, I read about how re-vegging does that. I have a clone with a beard ready to transplant and the other following suit.

Got coco buffering right now which was what was holding me back from deciding but now that I got more coco than needed, I am planting the two clones, revegging them along with growing out the lemon bubble.

Those will occupy the next run and may try out a photo period space cab grow to see if photos can grow in there too. If I don’t I will have one cutting I don’t know what to do with. Could toss it since I at least saved one.

Yep just like you see it. Your 2x4 would have one big mom stuffed in there that you just keep AL big branches, and cutting below the wrap of coco or whatever medium you use. Most mediums are compatible, so you could use smaller RW cubes or rooter plugs as the AL mediums, and then transplant back to coco or soil or whatever. OR, just strap a whole gallon of coco as the initial air layer medium to start with, and skip the whole first transplant going from a small layer to a bigger pot. Have a gallon of wrapped coco with a nice rootball before cutting away, which only takes an extra week or so, which you should be able to afford while waiting for the old ones to harvest. You have 2 months to AL and get the root balls going, so it doesn't miss a beat as soon as you send it to flower each time.

The mother would look like you keep cutting big branches away and be missing big chunks\leaving gaping holes, but you can selectively pick which branches from one side or the other, depending on where you took the last ones. I've managed to chop entire plants up into huge clones, but the main root stock will die if you take too much upper plant material at once. They say 50% is max, and I agree, but its hard to kill a big weed! Shuffle and bend the existing branches back around, and do whatever you can to fill the missing spaces back in, just to keep control over her. After you cut one away, you start figuring the next one you will AL, which has been getting bigger as you wait.

She already has a big root system, and will fill in those empty spots faster than you can flower out the ones you cut away. It does involve some training. You might even have to AL the mother plant herself into one huge new mother plant a few times a year, and flower out the old ones at some point too, depending on how dialed in you get, with the right genetics.

You'll always have at least 2 huge clones with big one gallon root systems attached ready to go if timed correctly .More coco would get real heavy and make for huge pods that take up more space, but yeah you could probably hold up 2 gallons with extra strings so it doesn't sag down, if there is room. 1 gallon of coco per pod seems perfect though. You might even find you don't need pots, and just flower the huge clones right in the same grocery sacks you zipo tied them up in without even unwrapping them, lol. Just poke some holes in the bottom and run your drip line, and let the runoff leak from the bottom of the bags.

Yea you could have 2 different strains (2 mothers) in the 2x4, and basically chop 50% of them every 2 months or so to fill the flower tent. Sometimes one monster clone, or maybe the next time a few big ones, or even 4 decent ones depending on how it works out..but still roughly 50% either way. That almost sounds more manageable to me than trying to selectively thin one big bushier mainlined plant stuffed in there... with some random cutting order like the firing order on an engine.. 1,3,2,4 or something, where you take from branches 1 and 2, then a few months later take from 3 and 4, as 1 and 2 grow back, etc.. Jumping around and AL the branches in different stages, while waiting for the others to regenerate new big ones, etc..

I'm gonna try the 50% method, where I literally cut the plants in half each time, but with a twist. I'll be flowering the lower halfs, and dropping the upper rooted air layer clone right back down and vegging them again each time instead of the other way around and taking the tops. 8 of them in my little veg room. That Way I don't need a space for one big mother plant anymore. No guarantee, but I think it will work great, especially with hydro layering. It might work for you too!

Drop That Sound said:

Yea you could have 2 different strains (2 mothers) in the 2x4, and basically chop 50% of them every 2 months or so to fill the flower tent. Sometimes one monster clone, or maybe the next time a few big ones, or even 4 decent ones depending on how it works out..but still roughly 50% either way. That almost sounds more manageable to me than trying to selectively thin one big bushier mainlined plant stuffed in there... with some random cutting order like the firing order on an engine.. 1,3,2,4 or something, where you take from branches 1 and 2, then a few months later take from 3 and 4, as 1 and 2 grow back, etc.. Jumping around and AL the branches in different stages, while waiting for the others to regenerate new big ones, etc..

I'm gonna try the 50% method, where I literally cut the plants in half each time, but with a twist. I'll be flowering the lower halfs, and dropping the upper rooted air layer clone right back down and vegging them again each time instead of the other way around and taking the tops. 8 of them in my little veg room. That Way I don't need a space for one big mother plant anymore. No guarantee, but I think it will work great, especially with hydro layering. It might work for you too!

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Thanks for taking the time to explain all this, I wouldn’t of thought of this in years. I try to read all I can but a lot of times I don’t find things the same way as having growers on forums help out like you did. Much appreciated! This should up my game on top of what was initially suggested. Wow this belongs in advanced MJ cultivation haha.

Idk if I showed the bearded clone but here it is. Potting right now. The lemon bubble is growing at full speed already. The watermelon ultra popped and is planted. I have a 2x2 in flower that really is holding me back from setting up veg tent. Have to wait 6 weeks at least before chopping and taking tent down and using it as a harvest dry tent.

The plant in the 2x2 is suffering learning curve in soil and lost all its leaves so it should finish sooner being popcorn budded and small. Also just because of the time line of flower and genetics.

Eager to take it down since it is a crappy grow. Flower tent is the veg tent for another 6 weeks. 2x2 may not make it to harvest but is crossing a point soon where there will be something to harvest, if I get past the next point 4 weeks later then more definitely. Week 6 should be seeing an end in site as it should be week 11 by then. Flipped aug 17th.

Potted clones. Will put bag back over them if they wilt. Monitor and repeat until hardened off. Then reveg for 30 days along with rooting. .5 EC for a week or two. Hand feed but want to get some halos for them. 1 gallon per clone one of which a little less filled.

A 2 gallon for the lemon bubble or water melon ultra to get a feel for what 2 gallons do. Two plants will be in 3 gallons to flip asap. Another 1 gallon is for a space cabinet autoflower. Full house for now. Trying to keep them all. Up pot clones possibly later.

I just asked this on another thread but is lengthy and may not get response but would like an answer to the following. Are these nanners from stress from a very rough ride or genetics? Is this something to consider not cloning and keeping a strain if it does this ? Again it could easily be from stress from learning curve in soil.

Photo period super shark. I just made clones of it as you saw so wondering dearly. I figured it is also related to the current topic.

My first clones!! They are hardened off clearly after 24hrs no bag over them. So that is a neat trick to poke holes in bag after roots emerge and eventually just take bag off. I tried really hard to make clones multiple times so this is exciting. Just feed .5 EC for like a week or so.

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I just asked this on another thread but is lengthy and may not get response but would like an answer to the following. Are these nanners from stress from a very rough ride or genetics? Is this something to consider not cloning and keeping a strain if it does this ? Again it could easily be from stress from learning curve in soil.

Photo period super shark. I just made clones of it as you saw so wondering dearly. I figured it is also related to the current topic.

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Hard to say, but yeah probably stress, from not being pollinated, lol. I've had a few different strains that throw out a few nanners towards the very end, or especially if they went too long. Good ones that were definitely worth keeping around, and wasn't usually a big deal. Sometimes I would find maybe a few seeds out of every few lbs, and never even see any sign of male parts or anything.. I consider it a blessing when that happens.

Probably just the plants way of surviving, aka rodelization.

Any recommendations for seed banks that do pick n mix? That are reputable. I have these picked out for rosin making based on appearance.

The frostiest I can find but what would you do with 5 seeds each? Just run all 5 and pick the best pheno? Would you rather pick n mix to save money?

Just looking for a starter strain, preferably two, to mother and clone over and over until I find suitable replacements that yield more and etc.

I also added pic of rest of my beans which one may end up fitting the bill or may not. My cart is over 300$ so want feed back.

Ok, I see now the usa attitude is way smaller than uk. I guess I ought to look through uk. They do pick n mix you just cant filter for that only.

Wow there is sooo much to choose I already have a life time of seeds picked out much cheaper. they have selections for days, howd I not notice the difference! First time bean shopping in a while. I never recalled missing so many great choices and ended up buying the wackest strains.

How do these look for a rosin bean hunt? How is Anesia seeds? They make up for most of the cost but they have 32% thc and up, are they exaggerating that along with frostiness? The photos dont lie though..

Woah I just ran sacked the whole site for everything they dot, all 30 pages for pick n mix so I could just get 10 strains and bean hunt a couple runs and get goin. The 150$ worth of 5 seed packs I can just pick one and see if I need to return.

Searched for all buds that looked like good candidates for pressing too not just pick n mix but I was more selective given I think I got the frostiest 5 packs available and less selective of pick n mix just looked for frost.

Heck yea, I just got most of that. Going to start looking for decent rosin yielders then I got some of those 35% thc ones in hopes of getting above 25% yield rosin.

I looked through the whole site, so it was like a virtual bean hunt and now about to do it physically. Feels good getting to bean shop for the best I can find knowing theres no more to get.

Setting up my 2x4 today. Want to run 8 clones at a time once I find a concievable place to start that gets me to my goal and then build on that. One of the plants will be a bean test maybe more but I don’t want to run into problem of having no where to store the mothers.

Run strains and very selectively get rid of one at a time for whatever reason. I can get sick of a strain after 6- 8 months.

If rootriot plugs dried out overnight due to low room rh, will it be fine if I caught it soon wnough? Some dried out and wilted a little but has growth that looks survivable if it roots soon as it should be.

Going to put the cuttings elsewhere, its in flower room and wont work since I recently had to crank up the dehuey.