Hi guys just wanted your opinion of what u think bout my first grow

Cannacat

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Hey, sorry I totally lost track of your thread, didn't get alerts and just stumbled across it again by accident! Do you have any recent pics? Your girls looked good in the last ones, new growth often comes in very pale but usually greens up quickly as it grows. This is a good guide to nutrients: http://grow-marijuana.com/nutrients I think your P is way too high and you need more N but read up on what's best for your medium. I usually clone when I tidy the plants up just before I flip into flower. I use rockwool cubes but there are other methods you might prefer, lots of good guides about.
 

Bulldog0420

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Hey, sorry I totally lost track of your thread, didn't get alerts and just stumbled across it again by accident! Do you have any recent pics? Your girls looked good in the last ones, new growth often comes in very pale but usually greens up quickly as it grows. This is a good guide to nutrients: http://grow-marijuana.com/nutrients I think your P is way too high and you need more N but read up on what's best for your medium. I usually clone when I tidy the plants up just before I flip into flower. I use rockwool cubes but there are other methods you might prefer, lots of good guides about.
Cheers bro going to post some updated pics tomorrow :) appreciate all the help x)
 

Bulldog0420

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You see those side growths that are coming out? That's what you are going to clone so let them get a little bit bigger then you can start the cloning
Cheers bro, I'll update pics tomorrow as they've grown quite a bit in d past week and no have pistons coming out :)
 

coreywebster

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Cheers bro have u ever tried mg?
Miracle grow? or Magnesium? If you mean Miracle Grow then no I like the simplicity of hydro or soilless. I've grown with NFT and DWC and flood and drain but for the last 5 Years I have used Coco coir. That way I know exactly what I am putting into it.
Not knocking any other mediums though. I have a lot of respect for soil and organic growers.
I do see a lot of miracle grow folks having problems a lot on here though.
 

Bulldog0420

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Miracle grow? or Magnesium? If you mean Miracle Grow then no I like the simplicity of hydro or soilless. I've grown with NFT and DWC and flood and drain but for the last 5 Years I have used Coco coir. That way I know exactly what I am putting into it.
Not knocking any other mediums though. I have a lot of respect for soil and organic growers.
I do see a lot of miracle grow folks having problems a lot on here though.
Cheers bro I meant miracle gro as it's between d fish blood and bone all purpose plant food and mg and I'd rather go for organic. But u think the p of 9 will cause problems or is bad for d girls?
 

coreywebster

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Cheers bro I meant miracle gro as it's between d fish blood and bone all purpose plant food and mg and I'd rather go for organic. But u think the p of 9 will cause problems or is bad for d girls?
Its not the number but the ratio. The ratio is very high P, you want high N really.
What part of the world are you in? There must be some organic stuff even if its mail ordered. Some tomato feed is closer to the ratio you want.
 

Bulldog0420

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Its not the number but the ratio. The ratio is very high P, you want high N really.
What part of the world are you in? There must be some organic stuff even if its mail ordered. Some tomato feed is closer to the ratio you want.
Super hot here 30 degrees Celsius minemum during d day and with little to no selection of products from shops :( and online it's an extra 30-50euros postage :'( cause I checked every site imaginable
 

coreywebster

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But at the end of the day how will this effect my girls?
Too much P, you may not even notice, massive amounts can cause problems with zinc uptake.
In all honesty you will probably find your plants grow but may see nitrogen deficiencies. There are many ways to increase nitrogen levels in organics. You will have to take a look at some organic threads on here and online and see what you can add that is easy for you to find locally or in your household. Later in flower the ratio you want Is different and the blood,meal and bone is more helpful it that stage.
If I remember right @Dr.Pecker would be the guy to help with organics
 

Bulldog0420

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Too much P, you may not even notice, massive amounts can cause problems with zinc uptake.
In all honesty you will probably find your plants grow but may see nitrogen deficiencies. There are many ways to increase nitrogen levels in organics. You will have to take a look at some organic threads on here and online and see what you can add that is easy for you to find locally or in your household. Later in flower the ratio you want Is different and the blood,meal and bone is more helpful it that stage.
If I remember right @Dr.Pecker would be the guy to help with organics
Cheers bro really grateful for all your help :) SO so something like a npk of 3-3-3 of a cheap tomato feed would be better for veg and I leave the fish blood and bone for flowering?
 

Dr.Pecker

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Cheers bro really grateful for all your help :) SO so something like a npk of 3-3-3 of a cheap tomato feed would be better for veg and I leave the fish blood and bone for flowering?
Stay organic no matter what. Synthetics will kill the microlife in the soil and the microlife is what actually feeds the plant. Something with an even npk ratio would be good for now. A good way to tell is sythetics will have a high npk and organics would be lower. For example miracle grow is like 20/20/20 what ever you have with 3/3/3 sounds organic to me, check to make sure. When you flower you want something with a higher p and k higher p than k. K is good for water and nutrient exchanges between plant cells. It helps when your plant is stretching or when you transplant. Too much k will lock out magnesium so don't use too much. Do you know anyone that has cows,goats or rabbits? Composted manure is the best for organic gardens. All you really need is promix, composted cow manure and perlite.
 

Bulldog0420

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Stay organic no matter what. Synthetics will kill the microlife in the soil and the microlife is what actually feeds the plant. Something with an even npk ratio would be good for now. A good way to tell is sythetics will have a high npk and organics would be lower. For example miracle grow is like 20/20/20 what ever you have with 3/3/3 sounds organic to me, check to make sure. When you flower you want something with a higher p and k higher p than k. K is good for water and nutrient exchanges between plant cells. It helps when your plant is stretching or when you transplant. Too much k will lock out magnesium so don't use too much. Do you know anyone that has cows,goats or rabbits? Composted manure is the best for organic gardens. All you really need is promix, composted cow manure and perlite.
Thank you that was really helpful bro, unfortunately don't really know anyone bro, and eaven if I did I need to be careful very very careful here and I can't take a risk even if it's just d smell of cow manure as unfortunately my neighbors are those nosey, peeping Tom kinda people, kinda like popo cameras lol they'll be sure to find a way to have a look at my garden "innocently" and do me in. That's why I was opting for the fish blood and bone all purpose plant food cause it's d only thing that I found which is organic. The only other thing is mg all purpose soluble plant food npk 24-8-16 :( and the tomato feed of npk 2.5-2.5-2.5 doesn't say organic :/
 

Bulldog0420

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finally had some time to post some updated pics, What do you guys think (these are on day 26) p.s the yellowing on d lower leaves has come back.. could this be cause were having some crazy hot days?? as its allways coming after its like 35 degrees celcius.IMAG0411.jpg IMAG0402.jpg IMAG0401.jpg IMAG0403.jpg IMAG0404.jpg IMAG0410.jpg


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Cannacat

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They look good. Have you been feeding them? The yellowing bottom leaves could be cos they're hungry, the heat could be causing them to use more nutrients, usually a sign of N def but it doesn't look too major to me, for what that's worth cos I'm still pretty inexperienced myself! Although you look to have some brown spots on the yellow leaves so I don't know if that indicates something else going on too. Also noticed the holes in one of the leaves, is that a pest of some kind, caterpillars maybe, or are you just clumsy like me lol? I get that you're wanting to stay organic but if those ferts are the only options you have then I'd go for the tomato food cos I think the others are too out of proportion for veg, but again that's just my thoughts. Overall they look pretty good man, well done :peace:
 

Bulldog0420

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They look good. Have you been feeding them? The yellowing bottom leaves could be cos they're hungry, the heat could be causing them to use more nutrients, usually a sign of N def but it doesn't look too major to me, for what that's worth cos I'm still pretty inexperienced myself! Although you look to have some brown spots on the yellow leaves so I don't know if that indicates something else going on too. Also noticed the holes in one of the leaves, is that a pest of some kind, caterpillars maybe, or are you just clumsy like me lol? I get that you're wanting to stay organic but if those ferts are the only options you have then I'd go for the tomato food cos I think the others are too out of proportion for veg, but again that's just my thoughts. Overall they look pretty good man, well done :peace:
Cheers bro just tansplanted and gave them some nutes today, but I'm thinking of biting d bullet and probably gna buy some nutes online so far best price I found was foxfarm (d 3bottles) for around £50 Inc shipping.just trying to see if they're organic tho. I had a little snail problem but have sorted it out by circling around the pots with salt at night. The brown edges came out when d temperatures rose to 35 degrees Celsius as well as d yellowing leaves, so now I'm gna try to keep them in d shade a bit when d sun is at its hottest but I'm not sure if that would damage them more..
 

Cannacat

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Cheers bro just tansplanted and gave them some nutes today, but I'm thinking of biting d bullet and probably gna buy some nutes online so far best price I found was foxfarm (d 3bottles) for around £50 Inc shipping.just trying to see if they're organic tho. I had a little snail problem but have sorted it out by circling around the pots with salt at night. The brown edges came out when d temperatures rose to 35 degrees Celsius as well as d yellowing leaves, so now I'm gna try to keep them in d shade a bit when d sun is at its hottest but I'm not sure if that would damage them more..
I'm afraid I can't help you there as I've never grown outdoors, I wouldn't imagine shading them a little during the hottest part of the day would do them any harm if there's no other way to reduce temps. I've just been reading something saying they can't utilise anywhere near as much light as us indoor growers force on them, but don't quote me on that cos like I say, not an outdoor grower. I use silica on my plants with great results and apparently that also makes them better able to handle heat, I got the Vitalink one which is inexpensive but pretty sure it's not organic. I don't know if FF are organic, I'm sure their website will tell you, but I think you'll be glad you bought canna nutes, definitely the best way for beginners I think, we have enough to worry about as it is when we first start out!
 

Bulldog0420

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I'm afraid I can't help you there as I've never grown outdoors, I wouldn't imagine shading them a little during the hottest part of the day would do them any harm if there's no other way to reduce temps. I've just been reading something saying they can't utilise anywhere near as much light as us indoor growers force on them, but don't quote me on that cos like I say, not an outdoor grower. I use silica on my plants with great results and apparently that also makes them better able to handle heat, I got the Vitalink one which is inexpensive but pretty sure it's not organic. I don't know if FF are organic, I'm sure their website will tell you, but I think you'll be glad you bought canna nutes, definitely the best way for beginners I think, we have enough to worry about as it is when we first start out!
Cheers for your help bud I really appreciate it :) post a pic of ur girls when u get a chance. I agree I keep on getting paranoid that something is wrong with them and keep checking on them, that's why I'm gna give in on buying nutes & kelp from abroad but it's always a min of 30 pounds extra cause of d weight. But at least it should put my mind at rest and be sure it's well fed.
 
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