Home Made Co2 Tutorial

BigBudBalls

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CO2-Proof Tubing - Black (per ft), CO2 Tubing > CO2 > Saltwater Aquarium Supplies

I couldnt remember where I had actually read the 30% loss but after a quick google search i found a site selling some co2 line that quotes up to a 20% loss from conventional airline tubing. I appologize for my inaccuaracy, but it was written off the top of my head. :blsmoke:

Even a 20% loss is ridiculous. You have to remember the longer the tubing the more you're gonna lose.
eh, ain't gonna squabble over 10% (though its more like 30% depending on the math)

Still have doubts. (a product ad can be a bit biased) Gonna do a few tests if I *ever* get back home. I'm using polypropylene hose and refrig grade copper and a SS proportional valve (but not as a proportional)

Hell, we use the poly tubing on reasearch grade CO2 on the lasers I service. That CO2 is like $500 for a 50lb'er.(4.5 -5.0 grade) Impurities would kill the laser.
 

DrDank

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Screw those boost buckets, for $150 USD and another $80 on the refill kit every cycle. Ive seen people waste money on these multiple times and the thing is pretty decent it produces CO2, but not worth the money.
I was going start a new thread on just this same topic. I've been doing some research into what is exactly in those buckets. I guess it's mostly USED mushroom fert and sawdust. (the decomp produces CO2)
I can buy a mushroom bag at the local market for ~$20, and an air pump for ~$10, and then all you need is a bucket and some glue or silicon caulk, and just hook it up to a timer. I just haven't tried it yet. But ~$20 vs. $80 every 2 weeks, those guys have alot of nerve.
 

mammal

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i attempted this technique today, a few words of warning to anyone that wants to try this:

1) dont underestimate how violent this reaction is, my bottle was foaming over the top of the lid within an hour. use too little rather than too much.

2) dont underestimate the smell. the smell this shit kicks out is absolutely foul, i'd rather deprive my plants of a little extra co2 than have my growroom have an overpowering stench of vomit!

that being said, it was producing an impressive amount of CO2, if done correctly this is a very simple and producive technique!
 

DrDank

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Hahaha! I didn't think about how much that amount would smell!
I only do it in a couple of 1gal juice jugs.

Quickstart recipe for small scale:
• Clean a 1 gal juice or milk jug, poke a small hole in the top of the cap.
• Boil 2-4cups of water in a pot
• Add a small amount of water to the jug and ~1/8 tsp of yeast and gently shake. Add a pinch of baking soda.
• Stir in 2-4 cups of sugar to the boiling pot
• Remove from heat but continue to stir or you'll be scraping the sugar off the bottom.
• Let cool. It should be still warm, but not too hot, or it'll kill the yeast.
• Add sugar-water to jug, and gently shake.
• Place under plants if you have uptake, above plants if you have downstream. Activates within 12 hours, last for 7-14 days
 

dos lunge

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I heard it lasts about 3 wks. Here is a pic of one i just made with about 5 cups of sugar and two packets of yeast. That is a Vapor Brothers vaporizor hose I duck taped on top of the jug. And my bong sitting next to the jug.
 

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DrDank

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I heard it lasts about 3 wks. Here is a pic of one i just made with about 5 cups of sugar and two packets of yeast. That is a Vapor Brothers vaporizor hose I duck taped on top of the jug. And my bong sitting next to the jug.
I'm not sure of the exact Yeast:Sugar ratio, but once the yeast eats through enough sugar, the liquid becomes ethanol, which will kill the yeast.
If the alcohol is exposed to open air, it turns to vinegar, and then it's nice and ripe! :spew:
 

BigBudBalls

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So whats the ppm gain? How big a space?

Hahaha! I didn't think about how much that amount would smell!
I only do it in a couple of 1gal juice jugs.

Quickstart recipe for small scale:
• Clean a 1 gal juice or milk jug, poke a small hole in the top of the cap.
• Boil 2-4cups of water in a pot
• Add a small amount of water to the jug and ~1/8 tsp of yeast and gently shake. Add a pinch of baking soda.
• Stir in 2-4 cups of sugar to the boiling pot
• Remove from heat but continue to stir or you'll be scraping the sugar off the bottom.
• Let cool. It should be still warm, but not too hot, or it'll kill the yeast.
• Add sugar-water to jug, and gently shake.
• Place under plants if you have uptake, above plants if you have downstream. Activates within 12 hours, last for 7-14 days
 

born2killspam

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I don't like that recipe too much!..

-"Boil 2-4cups of water in a pot"
-"Stir in 2-4 cups of sugar to the boiling pot"
Yeast don't handle better than 25-30% sugar by weight, it screws with their osmotic pressure.. And baker's yeast can't do anything with any amount above 25% sugar since it can't handle more than about 14% abv (which is what a complete 25% fermentation should produce).. More sugar than that will slow down the activity or stall it, then go to waste when the yeast die off from alcohol.. I'd put 4 cups into a total of 4 L (or 1 gallon).. BUT sugar alone isn't good.. Yeast are built from more than carbon and water, so they need something complex like mollasses, potato water, oatmeal etc in there too.. I use stuff called diammonia phosphate to energize too, but thats not really needed.. Teeny amounts of high N fertilizer can do that too..

-"Clean a 1 gal juice or milk jug, poke a small hole in the top of the cap."
'Clean' is important, especially if you want reduced odor, and more potable alcohol.. Rinse your jug in a 5% bleach solution for 30 minutes, then rinse very well..
You don't need to boil the water.. Its better to keep it below boiling to retain more O2, but the heat makes mixing/dissolving way easier.. On that note, you want to agitate the crap out of this to get as much oxygen dissolved in the beginning as possible.. (I use a cement mixer on an electric drill for a few minutes as it cools..)

-"Add a small amount of water to the jug and ~1/8 tsp of yeast and gently shake. Add a pinch of baking soda."
Baking soda?? You want acidic conditions around pH4.5.. My yeast starters get a pint of 105°F dechlorinated water, 3 tsp of sugar, a few drops of mollases (yeast need vitamins you know), and a squirt of lemon juice.. Acidity is preferred by yeast, and helps keep bacteria at bay..
This starter is then oxygenated like a mad man and left in warmth for a few hours.. This stage is totally optional, but improves fermentation designed for drinkables.. It also makes things faster after they get rocking..

-"Let cool. It should be still warm, but not too hot, or it'll kill the yeast."
80°F is best for quality, but you can push them faster up to about 100°.. They'll die at 120°, and they get really slow colder than 70°F.. They do best with fair stability.. But if your mix is potent you should cool them down a bit when you hit 12-13% alcohol if you don't want the action to stick.. Really though, potent is dumb for this.. Fastest action will occur when aiming for ~10% abv (1Kg brought up to 6L with water)..

-"Add sugar-water to jug, and gently shake."
Gently?? Pummel as much O2 as you can into that mix.. You should also drop the pH with lemon juice, or creme of tar tar etc at this point..

Using my methods I can ferment a full batch of rum wort to 14% in 3 days.. I ran through the numbers in post #68 here..

Just remember, sugar IS NOT yeast food.. Its like yeast meth..:) They use it to get O2 when its otherwise not available.. Healthy reproduction requires a balanced diet, and the vast amount of your yeast will actually be born in your bucket.. Yeast population can double in 3 hours... And don't forget that you can reuse yeast sludge from the bottom..

PS Yeast will work alot faster with dechlorinated water, so let your tap water sit a few days if your municipality adds chlorine.. If they add chloramine instead, you need peroxide, or something similar to remove the more stable chloramine..
 
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superskunkxnl

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spoken like a true brewer ready for the still in 3 days? no shit mine takes at least 5 and were in a nice climate imo champane yeast is best for co2 production peace
+rep
 

born2killspam

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Thats kinda pushing it too hard for good flavor actually, but can be done with a good yeast starter & dap/micros.. That doesn't include settling time either.. 5 days
is typically ready for the still without rushing for me too..
And yea, if you only want CO2 then go for champagne yeast.. It can handle more alcohol (17-19%).. I really don't like it for flavor in distillables though..
 

born2killspam

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Placing the output near circulation fans opposite your exhaust is fine.. No sense in cluttering up your area with an awkwardly placed bottle.. For the density equilibrium to actually hold, your air would need to be so dead that no plant could survive..
 

GDPgrower

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lol i did a couple of these bottles and shortly after a plant slowly turned brown and died ha then another one did, i really dont think this did it but i dont know what else would have
 

Tamzi

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i used this method with these measurements:

65mg Yeast, i used supermart brpugth stuff for making bread

1x 1L drinking water bottle

6 teaspoons of sugar

1/4 litre warm water.

shove hole in cap of bottle take yeast and add too bottle. add warm water and all the sugar. give a little shake, dont go mad just mix up everthing in bottle.

this activates within 5 mins and around 15min you pumpng alotta co2. when no more co2 is made take 4 teaspoon of sugar and 30mg yeast add too bottle and give another shake too stir it up. add back into grow room and should activate again within 10 mins. if this new mix dont activate and the other 30mg from the yeast pack and hope it works.
 

born2killspam

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You don't need that much yeast for that (assuming grams, not mg), I would use that much for a 5gal ferment perhaps.. And you can put atleast double the sugar in that without coming anywhere near too much.. Don't let the water get much warmer than 100°F, and toss some healthier nutrition in there too while dropping the pH to about high 4's with lemon juice..
If you start weak like that though, you can keep adding sugar when it completes until abv reaches about the same as a strong wine.. The yeast will pick up where they left off..
BTW, the ~14% alcohol limit works out to roughly 25% sugar by weight in the beginning, so it really isn't necessary to top it up since they can handle just over 30% sugar by weight at the start..
 
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