how likely is TMV very sick plants

semajkroy

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High , I posted about these ladies ten days ago thinking I had probably over fertilized and just wanted to confirm, I stupidly made a supersoil and it worked great the first cycle but I still felt like the soil was a little weak and wanted to try to add a little boost with Humboldt's organic line and went a little crazy and over fed big time I know this and know it locked out my plants completely, some even said may be just a cal mag def so iv picked up humboldts equilibrium and gave one foliar feeding and one watering with it I've watered 4 times since my post ten days ago , once with the call mag and the rest pure water... And they just keep getting worse they're at 49 days all kush strains , 8ball kush ,lemon kush, and cookies kush the temps and humidity aren't a problem unless my hydrometer(?) is way off but I just put a second sensor in a month ago so I doubt it.. In stressing over this I've come across TMV tobacco mosaic virus and am worried this could be what's going on I do smoke my cabinet probably does suck in a good amount of smoke but the air recirculates in the cab atleast once a minute, I've probably handled my plants/soil after smoking without washing my hands, how likely is this virus? or is this just really bad over feeding/ lockout ? I know I've had some bad practices of not washing my hands and bad habit of smoking I will be more careful of that now that I'm aware so please no lectures but in do need help in started three new ones and don't want to be wasting time if my area is infected,
EDIT: I have also dumped the soil I was using and going with fox farms happy frog mixed with petite
 

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Crab Pot

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This is not complicated... your plants have been severely burned from excess nutes.

"I stupidly made a supersoil and it worked great the first cycle but I still felt like the soil was a little weak and wanted to try toadd a little boost with Humboldt's organicline and went a little crazy and over fedbig time"

If you're in the middle of a super soil grow and you find your mix is light on nutes simply top dress amendments (kelp meal, neem seed meal, crab meal, earth worm castings, blood, bone, ect.). It just takes a little bit. You can also adjust the amendments by adding additional in your soil mix for the next run.

I wouldn't advise Using bottled nutes in a super soil/organic grow. The bottle nutes damage/destroy/kill the microbiology in your soil. It's essentially mixing a soil grow with hydro grow. You would do much better by top dressing or adjusting your soil mix and getting rid of the bottles! Good luck!
 
semajkroy

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Crab Pot said:
This is not complicated... your plants have been severely burned from excess nutes.

"I stupidly made a supersoil and it worked great the first cycle but I still felt like the soil was a little weak and wanted to try toadd a little boost with Humboldt's organicline and went a little crazy and over fedbig time"

If you're in the middle of a super soil grow and you find your mix is light on nutes simply top dress amendments (kelp meal, neem seed meal, crab meal, earth worm castings, blood, bone, ect.). It just takes a little bit. You can also adjust the amendments by adding additional in your soil mix for the next run.

I wouldn't advise Using bottled nutes in a super soil/organic grow. The bottle nutes damage/destroy/kill the microbiology in your soil. It's essentially mixing a soil grow with hydro grow. You would do much better by top dressing or adjusting your soil mix and getting rid of the bottles! Good luck!
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Thank you for the reply , I dumped what was left of my supersoil BC I had added a few dry amendments , kelp , and guanos trying to recycle the soil from the first cycle to a point of I was unsure or how much was in it , the bottles nutrients I'm using are Humboldt's narural line up , I've researched the ones I'm using hard enough to be confident it wouldn't effect my soil life , I'm going to try that with happy frog mixed with perilite only since I've already spent the money on the nutes and alot of people really have good results with them, I may switch back to a supersoil after that I don't know I'm limited on space and its been easier now to keep a few bottled nutes and 1 bag of soil out of sight

I am glad to hear I was over complicating things thinking it could be tmv , too many google searches can be a bad thing
 
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Thank you for the reply , I dumped what was left of my supersoil BC I had added a few dry amendments , kelp , and guanos trying to recycle the soil from the first cycle to a point of I was unsure or how much was in it , the bottles nutrients I'm using are Humboldt's narural line up , I've researched the ones I'm using hard enough to be confident it wouldn't effect my soil life , I'm going to try that with happy frog mixed with perilite only since I've already spent the money on the nutes and alot of people really have good results with them, I may switch back to a supersoil after that I don't know I'm limited on space and its been easier now to keep a few bottled nutes and 1 bag of soil out of sight

I am glad to hear I was over complicating things thinking it could be tmv , too many google searches can be a bad thing
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Glad to hear that about the Humboldt nutes. Sounds like it's really good stuff. Your right, sometimes it's better to keep life simple.

I think you probably know that when using Happy Frog you shouldn't feed any nutes until the nutes in the soil are used up, around the 3rd or 4th week of use typically.

Good luck with the grow:)
 
semajkroy

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Crab Pot said:
Glad to hear that about the Humboldt nutes. Sounds like it's really good stuff. Your right, sometimes it's better to keep life simple.

I think you probably know that when using Happy Frog you shouldn't feed any nutes until the nutes in the soil are used up, around the 3rd or 4th week of use typically.

Good luck with the grow:)
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Thanks for the advice I had read that , I grow 12/12 from sees and so far every plant has shown a pistil at day 30 , I was going to start then with the nutes at half strength for a week sound good ? Amd yes simpler is better sometimes people talk about how much of a waste of money bottled nutes but I spent more on building a supersoil , probably just BC the amendments I added I could not get local
 
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semajkroy said:
Thanks for the advice I had read that , I grow 12/12 from sees and so far every plant has shown a pistil at day 30 , I was going to start then with the nutes at half strength for a week sound good ? Amd yes simpler is better sometimes people talk about how much of a waste of money bottled nutes but I spent more on building a supersoil , probably just BC the amendments I added I could not get local
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Every plant is going to be a little different. Some grow fast and large which depleates the available nutrients in the soil at a high rate. Others grow slower and smaller which doesn't depleate the soil nutrients near as fast. I would wait for the plants to tell you that their hungry to be bottle feed. You will be able to see when the nutes are just beginning to run out by watching the color of the plant and then start feeding at 1/4 - 1/2 strength. Better to feed slightly under than to over feed. If you see any burned leaf tips you've over fed.

Another way to look at it, you are combining a soil grow with a hydro type grow. It's a balancing act with the nutes.

I build my own organic water only soil and use the same soil over and over again. The nutes get replenished by top dressing with worm castings, dried amendments such as kelp meal and plants/weeds from the yard. I make my own compost and worm castings. I really enjoy the process and it's got to be a hell of a lot cheaper that most ways to garden. When you have time to build another soil let me know, I'll help you with a simple water only recipe. Plants love it!
 
greasemonkeymann

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I've seen thousands of plants grown, and never, ever, have seen TMV.
DONT foliar feed during flower, especially that late into it.
Make an organic mix with different amendments and you won't need to add anything, nor will you need to foliar.
 
semajkroy

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Crab Pot said:
Every plant is going to be a little different. Some grow fast and large which depleates the available nutrients in the soil at a high rate. Others grow slower and smaller which doesn't depleate the soil nutrients near as fast. I would wait for the plants to tell you that their hungry to be bottle feed. You will be able to see when the nutes are just beginning to run out by watching the color of the plant and then start feeding at 1/4 - 1/2 strength. Better to feed slightly under than to over feed. If you see any burned leaf tips you've over fed.

Another way to look at it, you are combining a soil grow with a hydro type grow. It's a balancing act with the nutes.

I build my own organic water only soil and use the same soil over and over again. The nutes get replenished by top dressing with worm castings, dried amendments such as kelp meal and plants/weeds from the yard. I make my own compost and worm castings. I really enjoy the process and it's got to be a hell of a lot cheaper that most ways to garden. When you have time to build another soil let me know, I'll help you with a simple water only recipe. Plants love it!
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Thank again, I'll take you up in that I do eventually want to go back to supersoil, when I first started I did alot of research and ended up using subcools recipe with a few tweets other members recommended and it wat great, I just need to learn to read my plants better..... When I tried to recycle I was more worried about not revammending properly... I just need to make more space for it after I run through the humboldts I'm excited about trying then the right way people swear by them... Anyways here's my first ones with SS
 

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semajkroy said:
Thank again, I'll take you up in that I do eventually want to go back to supersoil, when I first started I did alot of research and ended up using subcools recipe with a few tweets other members recommended and it wat great, I just need to learn to read my plants better..... When I tried to recycle I was more worried about not revammending properly... I just need to make more space for it after I run through the humboldts I'm excited about trying then the right way people swear by them... Anyways here's my first ones with SS
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those plants look pretty good, for being rootbound.
That's why you see such a serious fade to them. For plants that size you want to go to probably at least 10 gallons.
In my opinion anyways. If they were hydro you could stuff those roots into a 5 gallon plastic but for amended organic soil they need room, primarily because much of the soil's ingredients take up space, no way around that. aeration, biochar, peat, humus, all that takes up space, and not always is it penetrable or can it be occupied by the roots at the same time.
I mean, holy crap, some hydro guys can grow lil stout plants in party cups for gods sake.
Also I can't remember what specific growing technique you used, did you layer?
And did you use water soluble nutrients for you nitrogen? It looks like you may have, that or simply didn't have any slow release forms.
Either way, those containers are half of what you need, hard to tell the size from the pic
 
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semajkroy said:
Thank again, I'll take you up in that I do eventually want to go back to supersoil, when I first started I did alot of research and ended up using subcools recipe with a few tweets other members recommended and it wat great, I just need to learn to read my plants better..... When I tried to recycle I was more worried about not revammending properly... I just need to make more space for it after I run through the humboldts I'm excited about trying then the right way people swear by them... Anyways here's my first ones with SS
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Yeah, now were talking... looking good!

I used to use super soil and that worked well for me but I started reading the ROLS (recycled organic living soil) thread in the organic section several years ago. It's been a rewarding experience to say the least. Check out the first 50 pages or so of the thread sometime if you have some time on your hands.
 
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greasemonkeymann said:
those plants look pretty good, for being rootbound.
That's why you see such a serious fade to them. For plants that size you want to go to probably at least 10 gallons.
In my opinion anyways. If they were hydro you could stuff those roots into a 5 gallon plastic but for amended organic soil they need room, primarily because much of the soil's ingredients take up space, no way around that. aeration, biochar, peat, humus, all that takes up space, and not always is it penetrable or can it be occupied by the roots at the same time.
I mean, holy crap, some hydro guys can grow lil stout plants in party cups for gods sake.
Also I can't remember what specific growing technique you used, did you layer?
And did you use water soluble nutrients for you nitrogen? It looks like you may have, that or simply didn't have any slow release forms.
Either way, those containers are half of what you need, hard to tell the size from the pic
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Damn i thought those were ok in 6.5 gallon plastic container ls but what you say makes sense , I used fish bine meal , kelp , ewc, rock phosphates. Dolomite , azomite, Peruvian seabird guano, I may be forgetting something but I think that was it
 
semajkroy

semajkroy

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greasemonkeymann said:
those plants look pretty good, for being rootbound.
That's why you see such a serious fade to them. For plants that size you want to go to probably at least 10 gallons.
In my opinion anyways. If they were hydro you could stuff those roots into a 5 gallon plastic but for amended organic soil they need room, primarily because much of the soil's ingredients take up space, no way around that. aeration, biochar, peat, humus, all that takes up space, and not always is it penetrable or can it be occupied by the roots at the same time.
I mean, holy crap, some hydro guys can grow lil stout plants in party cups for gods sake.
Also I can't remember what specific growing technique you used, did you layer?
And did you use water soluble nutrients for you nitrogen? It looks like you may have, that or simply didn't have any slow release forms.
Either way, those containers are half of what you need, hard to tell the size from the pic
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Those I begged for a month now that I do 12/12 from seed I've been using 2gal smart pots which I think do good I have been thinking of going to 3 gal though
 
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