How long to veg for a lbs

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Greenrman85

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Hi kinda new to all this but I was wondering how long to veg to get a lbs I have an indica dom strain that's supposed to put out 600-800 grams a m2. I'm thinking about a 3.5 ft x 3.5ft scrog and letting that one plant fill it (I'm guessing 3 months max "guessing") I have a 450 watt led that's the reason I'm growing one plant in a 5 gal smart pot and using compost tea instead of chemicals. is it possible to achieve this goal or close to it by the way money bush by heavyweight is the strain and I also have blue dream I'm thinking about the same setup.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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Breeder claims of yields are complete bs. There's no way to really estimate what your setup can produce; although it's true some strains do yield out more than others. Focus on keeping your plants healthy and green; yields will follow.
The main driver of yields is wattage; an lb off a single plant with a 450w LED is a pretty tall order even under a scrog net. Given optimal conditions you can usually expect a few zips of premium bud per plant and if you fill in every inch of netting with tight nodal growth you could get much more than that. It's not about how much time you vegged more importantly it's about how well you train your plant provided it was healthy the entire grow. The gold standard for yield efficiency is 1 gram per watt. I have yet to achieve a gram per watt myself though I've gotten fairly close. So to answer your Q I don't see how you could pull 600g but don't let that discourage you. If you are not happy with what you end up after harvesting the short answer is to upgrade your lighting.
Organic soil yields are typically not as impressive as hydro or synth nute grows at least not in the beginning but you will have a superior end product that tastes exactly like it's supposed to. Keep in mind compost teas are not like nutrients nor should they be used as such. The idea is to put mostly all of what they need in the soil and give them plain old water. You should regularly apply AACteas to maintain a high level of microbial activity which in turn will feed your plants by making the stuff in the soil available to your plants root systems. In my experience it takes a few recycles before your soil really reaches supernatural status which at that point will rival nute growers but then again ya gotta start somewhere. Check out the organic section for more info and here's a link to my thread if ya want to see how I do it:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/dick-does-dank.909077/
 
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Greenrman85

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Thanks for that info I was trying to pull 450grams or get as close as possible with a 450 watt led I'm going to keep in mind that organic soil grow yield less I will be keeping up with your grows
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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I usually pull about 2-3 zips per plant of premium cola bud under my 600w with LED side lighting but I don't ever weigh up hash run material like popcorn larf or loosey lower bud & that easily can be another few zips. So I get about 100g to 150g per plant; though I've pulled over 200g before from a single high yielder. I have 6 plants in my bloom room though I only pull one at a time every few weeks as I am perpetual. So if I get a total yield of 900g from 6 plants and my wattage totals 1085w I pull slightly less than a g per watt without a scrog net.
Organics yield less at first but after you amend and recycle your mix a few times you'll get much better hauls. The reason is it takes such a long time for most amendments to completely break down & become available; sometimes even a year or more which is why it requires more patience than the instant gratification that nutes bring.
 
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Greenrman85

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Richard Drysift said:
I usually pull about 2-3 zips per plant of premium cola bud under my 600w with LED side lighting but I don't ever weigh up hash run material like popcorn larf or loosey lower bud & that easily can be another few zips. So I get about 100g to 150g per plant; though I've pulled over 200g before from a single high yielder. I have 6 plants in my bloom room though I only pull one at a time every few weeks as I am perpetual. So if I get a total yield of 900g from 6 plants and my wattage totals 1085w I pull slightly less than a g per watt without a scrog net.
Organics yield less at first but after you amend and recycle your mix a few times you'll get much better hauls. The reason is it takes such a long time for most amendments to completely break down & become available; sometimes even a year or more which is why it requires more patience than the instant gratification that nutes bring.
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Nice out come I was reading somewhere that my 600 watt mh/hps system with 8in reflective hood can cover a 4x4 space evenly while maintaining 600 watts anything outside that space the wattage starts to get lower Im interested in this scrog/ mainlining art. I was wondering if I put 4 plants in a 2 sqft scrog a piece (topping lollipoping etc) will I get maximum yield or is there a better way such as regular growing (Christmas tree way) my goal is to get at least 8-10oz from this grow until the soil gets broken in and I become familiar with this strain
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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Scroggin almost guarantees a good yield but it's also possible to be impatient and flip too early when the screen isn't totally full or to veg too long and end up with lanky colas that shade out the lower bud sites. You want to make a screen full of tiny-ass Christmas trees but it takes patience and training to make it this way. That means topping as needed and bending the mains to grow nice flat canopy then tying them down to the screen. Train the new growth to fill in the gaps; too much branching will make many tiny buds instead of a few larger ones. Sometimes it's a matter of preference and of course knowing your strain helps a lot.
It makes a difference if going from a seed or a clone. Plants from seed are easier to train because of their predictable structure. Clones grow more wildly; you've got to prune and reveg to get the shape you want. I've read that an easy way to max out yield is to do a sog type grow with plants from seed and leave them untopped. Makes sense and seems like less veg time but I've never tried it this way.
Growing multiple plants in a scrog comes with some caveats; it can be hard to reach 4 pots under thick canopy to water them plus more plants in smaller pots means less soil to sustain them through to harvest. Not saying a 4 plant scrog cannot be done but a single plant scrog in a bigass pot could be less hassle.
One super simple thing I do that helps boost yields is to lower the hours of light they get during veg in the final weeks before flipping to 12/12. Since I run perpetual I have a few spots to veg plants in so I run young plants, clones, and seedlings at 18/6 under a T5. When they reach size they are transplanted to larger pots & go into a 400w preflower staging tent set at 17/7. After a couple weeks I reduce down to 16/8 for another 2 weeks. Then they go into their final size bloom pots & right into the bloom room I have set for 11.5/12.5. It sorta mimics the suns natural cycle and results in less stretchy plants. You never see outdoor plants all stretched out because the sun transitions gradually to trigger flowering. Try it....really does work and adds a couple g per bud site as the structure becomes long fingers of bud touching each other as a single mass all the way down the main colas. I'll throw up a pic to show ya what I mean when I can...
 
sallygram

sallygram

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Since you are new to this I will give you some advice, listen to Richard, there are a few other people on this board that really know their shit and it is pretty easy to figure them out.

My other advice is don't try to estimate your yield, I have been lucky and average 800 g per 1000 Watt Bulb but that is after a good amount of research, vertical bulbs with no reflector work well for me.

You are going to have setbacks, I forgot to calibrate my Ph pen a few weeks ago, things happen just be responsive when they do.

Finally when your plant is done wait a week before harvesting because almost every new grower harvests too early. My GF is trying to get me to harvest 7 plants that are still 10 days away, it is tempting but she needs to wait.

Most of all have fun, learn and don't get busted. Good luck
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Greenrman85 said:
Thanks for that info I was trying to pull 450grams or get as close as possible with a 450 watt led I'm going to keep in mind that organic soil grow yield less I will be keeping up with your grows
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Hmm, I don't agree with organic yielding less.....Less then what? Hydro? OK, I'll buy that BUT, I can get awful damn CLOSE!
It's all in dialing in your soils!

I have an average yield for Blue dream.....10.5 per plant under a single 1K HPS (The room has 8 and the BD's are an end light). With 4 plants under that light.

That's 1176 gr and works out to 1.18 gpw....More average yielding strains run around 800 gr a light and while not getting the 1 gpw thing. I'm still near 2 lbs per......To me that's acceptable for the quality of the strains run....some are more and a cpl of special strains can be bit less. Again, the quality gained, covers the lower yield..
 
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Greenrman85

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Dr. Who said:
Hmm, I don't agree with organic yielding less.....Less then what? Hydro? OK, I'll buy that BUT, I can get awful damn CLOSE!
It's all in dialing in your soils!

I have an average yield for Blue dream.....10.5 per plant under a single 1K HPS (The room has 8 and the BD's are an end light). With 4 plants under that light.

That's 1176 gr and works out to 1.18 gpw....More average yielding strains run around 800 gr a light and while not getting the 1 gpw thing. I'm still near 2 lbs per......To me that's acceptable for the quality of the strains run....some are more and a cpl of special strains can be bit less. Again, the quality gained, covers the lower yield..
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Holy shit I would love to pull those number what kind of soil and amendments do you use and I'm in a dry climate desert like would that make a difference?
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Greenrman85 said:
Holy shit I would love to pull those number what kind of soil and amendments do you use and I'm in a dry climate desert like would that make a difference?
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I build and reuse my own soils. Water only

I have 3 levels of available nutrient.
A base soil
A Veg soil and
A Bloom soil.

Dialing in for strain specific feeding is done by mixing in amounts of the base and/or combinations of each to fit the plants needs.

I am picky about what I use to build..No bone or blood meals and very little to no Dolomite as I use alternative Ca sources. No Greensand, and I'm a big fan of my own well composted steer manure. I have worm farms for my own EWC and feed them a broad spectrum of things for diverse bacteria and fungus spread.

Being in a dry climate, you should have an area that you can keep the RH up around 40-45.....
 
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SaTeevah

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Richard Drysift said:
Breeder claims of yields are complete bs. There's no way to really estimate what your setup can produce; although it's true some strains do yield out more than others. Focus on keeping your plants healthy and green; yields will follow.
The main driver of yields is wattage; an lb off a single plant with a 450w LED is a pretty tall order even under a scrog net. Given optimal conditions you can usually expect a few zips of premium bud per plant and if you fill in every inch of netting with tight nodal growth you could get much more than that. It's not about how much time you vegged more importantly it's about how well you train your plant provided it was healthy the entire grow. The gold standard for yield efficiency is 1 gram per watt. I have yet to achieve a gram per watt myself though I've gotten fairly close. So to answer your Q I don't see how you could pull 600g but don't let that discourage you. If you are not happy with what you end up after harvesting the short answer is to upgrade your lighting.
Organic soil yields are typically not as impressive as hydro or synth nute grows at least not in the beginning but you will have a superior end product that tastes exactly like it's supposed to. Keep in mind compost teas are not like nutrients nor should they be used as such. The idea is to put mostly all of what they need in the soil and give them plain old water. You should regularly apply AACteas to maintain a high level of microbial activity which in turn will feed your plants by making the stuff in the soil available to your plants root systems. In my experience it takes a few recycles before your soil really reaches supernatural status which at that point will rival nute growers but then again ya gotta start somewhere. Check out the organic section for more info and here's a link to my thread if ya want to see how I do it:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/dick-does-dank.909077/
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How you look telling him what he can or can't get if you have never achieved 1 G per watt... hating on the low
 
xtsho

xtsho

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SaTeevah said:
How you look telling him what he can or can't get if you have never achieved 1 G per watt... hating on the low
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You revived a 5 year old thread to make this stupid post? Didn't one of your 3 posts recommend watching those clown show Canuck videos?

SaTeevah said:
Looks like the time released ferts are starting to take over! Check out mr. Canucks grow on YouTube. Uses all dry amendments that are time released and the results are amazing
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There is nothing amazing about these results. Screenshot taken from one of his videos. Amazingly bad, burnt to a crisp, with small stunted flowers. This amazing crap would go straight into my compost pile.

 
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