How Many Christians On This Site?

Auzzie07

Auzzie07

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"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)


These all sound like great ideas. I'm in.
 
Auzzie07

Auzzie07

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Oh! Oh! Oh!

Here's another one of my favorites where God tells us of the evil things he brings:

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Auzzie07 said:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)


These all sound like great ideas. I'm in.
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Atheism > Christianity

This dudes post illustrates that point.
 
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xKuroiTaimax

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It's a hard pill to swallow but the lord giveth and the lord taketh away. God doesn't make evil, but can allow evil things to happen for a number of reasons, those being results of other people's free will, you straying from the path of the lord or because he has something EVEN BETTER in store for you replacing what you lost.


Job 42:10 (New King James Version)

10 And the LORD restored Job’s losses[a] when he prayed for his friends. Indeed the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.



Jeremiah 29:11 (New International Version © 2010)

11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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So God takes Jobs family and everything he had, just to see if he'd keep his faith, then when he did he was awarded "twice as much as he had before"...

Good lesson

/sarcasm
 
GreatwhiteNorth

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Auzzie07 said:
Oh! Oh! Oh!

Here's another one of my favorites where God tells us of the evil things he brings:

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things.
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Spectacular quotes that illustrate your distain for another person’s beliefs.
Taken alone these quotes sound barbaric, but in context with their issuance, and the fact that they have been superseded by the New Testament they appear to be quoted to simply be disrespectful or at the very least out of ignorance.

First, those 4 quotes are all from the Old Testament which is the first covenant between God and Israel prior to the appearance of Jesus Christ.
Included in this work are Laws, rules and ritual of all manner that have no place in the "New covenant" (the period between the death of Jesus and present day). We are told that the "Law" (Old Testament and the 10 commandments) are held before us to show us that we cannot possibly attain this level of purity and who’s purpose is to show us we are fallen and need the guidance of our Lord (think of it like a mirror, a brutally honest one).
We are all sinners, both Christian, Atheist (and all other schools of thinking) alike - those documents simply illustrate that. The last words of Christ spoken on the cross were “It is finished” he was referring to his roll in negating the first Covenant and initiating the second (New Testament).

If your distaste for Christians stems from you thinking we think we are better than Non-Christians, that is simply not so. In my own mind I feel more ignorant than one whom does not believe because I know what I should be doing but am not.
I should not gawk at the hottie in the mall in the skin tight sweats but I do.
I should not judge someone for some stupid human flaw, but I still do.
I should not flip you off when you run me off the road, but I still do.
You see, I know its wrong & I try & not do it but I still do. Therefore I try harder to be a better person & little by little I’m getting there.
And I most assuredly do not look down upon any one who’s belief differs from mine, after all - Its all about free will.

And if you would like to quote the lords word, how about these.
Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love [agape] one another from the heart. Peter 1:22

Many waters cannot quench love; rivers cannot wash it away. If one were to give all the wealth of his house for love, it would be utterly scorned. Song of Solomon 8:7


And my personal favorite:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Peace
GWN
 
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TreeOfLiberty

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I agree with GreatwhiteNorth. I too believe, but do things that I should not, say things I should not, think things I should not. When it comes to most Christians , they soak up the Govt. and Media's propaganda on that evil plant ....marijuana. To them it is the Devil's Weed. I grew up in Georgia in the heart of the bible belt, and I heard it in church many times.

I've been told I can't be a Christian and use marijuana, and I just can't get most of the Christians who are brainwashed by the media's propaganda to understand verses like >

God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31) The Bible predicts some herb's prohibition. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3)


Watch them stutter and get mad when you tell them "God didn't create an illegal plant" then tell them Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.) but because the Govt. says it BAD and made laws forbidding its possession and use, then so most of the Christian brethren go along with it . I've tried to explain to many brainwashed Christians about how marijuana came to be illegal, and it just doesn't stick.If marijuana was suddenly legal worldwide tomorrow, it would take decades for bible believers to accept it and then there would still be many who never would.

Racism and money, the 2 things that were really behind the illegalizing of marijuana. Most Christians don't know about the Dupont and Hearst scheme back in the 1930s and their pushing for the demonization and prohibition of the harmless plant because they stood to lose millions if it remained legal. I know that I'm preaching to the choir here about this on this site. It's hard finding pro-marijuana Christians. I know this thread just said "How Many Christians On This Site?" , but it made me think of how many times I've tried to shatter the lies of marijuana propaganda to Christians I know in person. 70+ years of propaganda is hard to undo.

I remember hearing in church the preacher yelling "you'll go to hell for smoking pot" , it was like a scene out of Reefer Madness. How much clearer could it be but they still do not get it. 1 Timothy chapter 4: verses 1-4 >

1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

It says commanding to abstain from MEATS. Some anti-marijuana Christians have said back to me "yeah and God means MEATS as in animal flesh" , I said really, go back and re-read Genesis 1:29-30 >

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for MEAT. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I HAVE GIVEN EVERY GREEN HERB FOR MEAT: and it was so.


I usually can make 9 out of 10 anti-marijuana Christians shut their mouth or either change the subject fast. I always stick with the original KING JAMES VERSION, there are so many different versions with so many word changes , it creates different interpretations and confusion.It's just my opinion but I believe all these different bible versions where the words are changed up is meant to create confusion and misunderstanding , it makes it easier for the Govt. to manipulate the masses.
 
Auzzie07

Auzzie07

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You can't throw out the old testament and then say we want a do-over, our first written book wasn't what we meant. It doesn't work like that, its a cop out, and it's bad for our planet. End Theology!

And even the New Testament is so flawed and inaccurate. First and foremost, all the Gospels contradict each other on simple things such as Jesus' birth, baptism and death. Also, our boys Matthew, Mark, Luke and John have been proven to not even be the full author of their respective Gospel. Luke especially has been said to have been written by multiple sources over decades.

Come on, people... You are all smarter than this.
 
Babs34

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Auzzie07 said:
You can't throw out the old testament and then say we want a do-over, our first written book wasn't what we meant. It doesn't work like that, its a cop out, and it's bad for our planet. End Theology!

And even the New Testament is so flawed and inaccurate. First and foremost, all the Gospels contradict each other on simple things such as Jesus' birth, baptism and death. Also, our boys Matthew, Mark, Luke and John have been proven to not even be the full author of their respective Gospel. Luke especially has been said to have been written by multiple sources over decades.

Come on, people... You are all smarter than this.
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Yes, we are...that we are.;-)
 
Auzzie07

Auzzie07

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Only about 40% of the Gospels agree with each other's stories. But in the end, if one can't dismiss Christianity, the New Testament, The Old Testament, Qu'ran, Islam, all of it... as merely a bunch of stories, then that's just too bad for oneself.
 
crackerboy

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Auzzie07 said:
You can't throw out the old testament and then say we want a do-over, our first written book wasn't what we meant. It doesn't work like that, its a cop out, and it's bad for our planet. End Theology!

And even the New Testament is so flawed and inaccurate. First and foremost, all the Gospels contradict each other on simple things such as Jesus' birth, baptism and death. Also, our boys Matthew, Mark, Luke and John have been proven to not even be the full author of their respective Gospel. Luke especially has been said to have been written by multiple sources over decades.

Come on, people... You are all smarter than this.[/QUOTE

Wow you completely missed the point. OK n o w I w i l l s p e a k s l o w f o r y o u. The old testament was Gods first covenant with his people. This covenant came with laws that God understood that we could not keep. So to show our repentance for those sins we were to present a sacrifice to God. Then God sent his only Son to be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. This is the new covenant. The old law still stands to convict us of our sins and to show us that we need forgiveness. The old law shows us our sins so that we will turn to Jesus. Jesus sacrificed himself so that we may live with him in heaven. As for the Gospels contradicting each other, give one example of that contradiction would you. And yes there have been few people that question the authors of the Bible but all of those accusations have been proven to be just that accusations. Not one bit of proof. You should take the time to study the Bible for yourself instead of reading some lame book or article that another atheist wrote.

Besides that the very first post of this thread says no debates. But the atheists just can't stand to see Christians come together to peacefully proclaim their beliefs. The devil always attacks the believer. How does it feel to be the tool of the devil.
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Auzzie07

Auzzie07

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crackerboy said:
Auzzie07 said:
You can't throw out the old testament and then say we want a do-over, our first written book wasn't what we meant. It doesn't work like that, its a cop out, and it's bad for our planet. End Theology!

And even the New Testament is so flawed and inaccurate. First and foremost, all the Gospels contradict each other on simple things such as Jesus' birth, baptism and death. Also, our boys Matthew, Mark, Luke and John have been proven to not even be the full author of their respective Gospel. Luke especially has been said to have been written by multiple sources over decades.

Come on, people... You are all smarter than this.[/QUOTE

Wow you completely missed the point. OK n o w I w i l l s p e a k s l o w f o r y o u. The old testament was Gods first covenant with his people. This covenant came with laws that God understood that we could not keep. So to show our repentance for those sins we were to present a sacrifice to God. Then God sent his only Son to be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. This is the new covenant. The old law still stands to convict us of our sins and to show us that we need forgiveness. The old law shows us our sins so that we will turn to Jesus. Jesus sacrificed himself so that we may live with him in heaven. As for the Gospels contradicting each other, give one example of that contradiction would you. And yes there have been few people that question the authors of the Bible but all of those accusations have been proven to be just that accusations. Not one bit of proof. You should take the time to study the Bible for yourself instead of reading some lame book or article that another atheist wrote.

Besides that the very first post of this thread says no debates. But the atheists just can't stand to see Christians come together to peacefully proclaim their beliefs. The devil always attacks the believer. How does it feel to be the tool of the devil.
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"As for the Gospels contradicting each other, give one example of that contradiction would you. And yes there have been few people that question the authors of the Bible but all of those accusations have been proven to be just that accusations. Not one bit of proof. You should take the time to study the Bible for yourself instead of reading some lame book or article that another atheist wrote.

This was in a college textbook from a Catholic University. It's been PROVEN that the sources of the Gospels CAN'T BE PROVEN. That doesn't seem a bit sketchy to you? That's just as ridiculous as the story of Joseph Smith.

"Besides that the very first post of this thread says no debates. But the atheists just can't stand to see Christians come together to peacefully proclaim their beliefs. The devil always attacks the believer. How does it feel to be the tool of the devil."

I'll disregard the devil part, as there is no devil. Just a spooky Santa Claus. And as far as for me to name one contradiction, how about this: Read each Gospel. Write down exactly what city Jesus supposed went to and from. Compare to each Gospel. It doesn't match up. But here's another quicker one for you:
In true Jeopardy Style:
The answer is: There were eleven disciples, and Jesus appeared to them first, at this location. - Compare Luke and Matthew.

And another one with the answer in case you don't want to leaf through your testament like most of America's Christians:
How many blind men besought Jesus?

Matthew 20:30 - Two blind men.

Luke 18:35-38 - Only one blind man.

I'll unsubscribe this thread now, and let you all live in peace. But all I ask, is you question these stories which we (yes, myself included) heard growing up. Jonah and the Whale. Job's faith. Adam and Eve.

Hell, there are Catholic priests at the Vatican who will tell you they are just stories with no true facts behind them (See: Religulous). Either way, I'm not one to spew hate time and time again; I just need to express my view, as everyone is entitled to their own, as well as the opportunity to share it with others. Information is not a crime.
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