How to ACTUALLY make America great again

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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NLXSK1 said:
Your system suggests competing private security firms that must be paid to provide protection and you talk about unintended consequences?? Your society is based off of a mob racket to start with... Yo, pay me to prevent some guy from breaking your windows....

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No, my society is based on demonstrable facts and the idea that forcible monopolies create the problems which we all rant about here. That's what exists now, a forcibly held monopoly on provision of services.

Freedom of choice in selecting a service provider provides the proper feedback to the service provider to ensure a forcible monopoly (like what presently exists) doesn't arise.

In other words in a free market, service providers must compete by "being good" or they don't get continued business. In an unfree market, that missing element, customer feedback, is why things are the way they are now.

The Market for Liberty isn't a long book, written a bit from an early 70s perspective, but much of it is still relevant.


The mother ship will be here when I have concluded my mission.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Rob Roy said:
No, my society is based on demonstrable facts and the idea that forcible monopolies create the problems which we all rant about here. That's what exists now, a forcibly held monopoly on provision of services.

Freedom of choice in selecting a service provider provides the proper feedback to the service provider to ensure a forcible monopoly (like what presently exists) doesn't arise.

In other words in a free market, service providers must compete by "being good" or they don't get continued business. In an unfree market, that missing element, customer feedback, is why things are the way they are now.

The Market for Liberty isn't a long book, written a bit from an early 70s perspective, but much of it is still relevant.


The mother ship will be here when I have concluded my mission.
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You cannot have competing security firms...

Who has the right of detention in this society? Who has the right to incarcerate people? If people cannot be incarcerated then who has the right of eviction and/or what other method is used to depose them or inhibit their actions?

I gave you an example of a real life crime that happens and asked how it would be dealt with.

Remember the toaster example? You made a mess of that one too...

If it takes people smarter than you to explain how the society works then it cant possibly exist.

The mob is a service provider, I bet they can offer pretty good rates too!!
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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NLXSK1 said:
You cannot have competing security firms...

Who has the right of detention in this society? Who has the right to incarcerate people? If people cannot be incarcerated then who has the right of eviction and/or what other method is used to depose them or inhibit their actions?

I gave you an example of a real life crime that happens and asked how it would be dealt with.

Remember the toaster example? You made a mess of that one too...

If it takes people smarter than you to explain how the society works then it cant possibly exist.

The mob is a service provider, I bet they can offer pretty good rates too!!
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All people possess the same rights. (or should) If a right exists, all people potentially have it, or NO people have it.

Thus if a central authority has the right to detain people, where did that right come from ? Who gave it to them ? If they have that right, doesn't anyone?


The mob and the government both use force as their principle means. That's because they are both forcibly held monopolies, rather than free market entities.

If you and I both offered security services, and didn't use forcible means to acquire our "customers", customers would be free to chose either of us based on the value they perceived.

You have asked a good question though....

The Market for Liberty awaits you.

There's also a bunch of video I could point you to, but I'm getting ready to go work in my garden now. Maybe later I'll find some for you.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Rob Roy said:
All people possess the same rights. (or should) If a right exists, all people potentially have it, or NO people have it.

Thus if a central authority has the right to detain people, where did that right come from ? Who gave it to them ? If they have that right, doesn't anyone?


The mob and the government both use force as their principle means. That's because they are both forcibly held monopolies, rather than free market entities.

If you and I both offered security services, and didn't use forcible means to acquire our "customers", customers would be free to chose either of us based on the value they perceived.

You have asked a good question though....

The Market for Liberty awaits you.

There's also a bunch of video I could point you to, but I'm getting ready to go work in my garden now. Maybe later I'll find some for you.
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People see a lot of value in threat. If I compel my customers to be my customers you may have a market share issue. If you cannot prevent damage and destruction done by my 'Security' forces without detainment or apprehension I dont see how your customers would find any value in your services.

Now, my people are armed with guns so I think it might be a slaughter if yours dont. Otherwise it is high noon in the streets. Utopia for sure!!!
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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NLXSK1 said:
People see a lot of value in threat. If I compel my customers to be my customers you may have a market share issue. If you cannot prevent damage and destruction done by my 'Security' forces without detainment or apprehension I dont see how your customers would find any value in your services.

Now, my people are armed with guns so I think it might be a slaughter if yours dont. Otherwise it is high noon in the streets. Utopia for sure!!!
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If you compel your customers to be customers and they aren't free to chose a different service provider you've just declared yourself a monopolistic government.

If your security forces have a reputation for doing damage, how long do you think people will
voluntarily give them business ?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Rob Roy said:
If you compel your customers to be customers and they aren't free to chose a different service provider you've just declared yourself a monopolistic government.

If your security forces have a reputation for doing damage, how long do you think people will
voluntarily give them business ?
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Who said anything about voluntarily?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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NLXSK1 said:
Who said anything about voluntarily?
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You might like to watch Stefan Molyneux's video titled would anarchy create governments. It addresses some of the questions I think you have.

I apologize, but I can't seem to get a link to post.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Rob Roy said:
Stefan Molyneux
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Just an aside, but did you know Molyneux posed as a woman and commented on his own video as if to support everything he himself is saying as a woman, except he forgot to logout of his primary name and into the sock account he uses for stuff like that, so it was 'Stefan Molyneux' commenting as himself on his own video

 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
Just an aside, but did you know Molyneux posed as a woman and commented on his own video as if to support everything he himself is saying as a woman, except he forgot to logout of his primary name and into the sock account he uses for stuff like that, so it was 'Stefan Molyneux' commenting as himself on his own video

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the FDD/tbonejack or youtube panarchists.

LOL
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
Just an aside, but did you know Molyneux posed as a woman and commented on his own video as if to support everything he himself is saying as a woman, except he forgot to logout of his primary name and into the sock account he uses for stuff like that, so it was 'Stefan Molyneux' commenting as himself on his own video

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Interesting, but I'm not sure how that invalidates any points he made in the video I mentioned.
 
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