how to make femonized Seeds

skunkushybrid said:

I agree with this statement videoman. I did a grow of grapefruit (feminised seed), and they were fine. i got paranoid a couple of times, but I never actually got a hermie. Not sure on the stronger phenotypes as I've never done a normal seed grapefuit grow. Definitely though, from my experience feminised seed are well worth the money. The only thing i really have against them is the lack of available strains. Very limited choice in comparison to buying normal seed.

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Skunky

The problem with them is as you've highlighted here - it's the increased risk in getting a hermaphrodite plant that you don't spot and manages to pollinate all your plants if you don't spot it in time. There is an increased risk of that happening when using feminised seeds, unless you watch them all extremely carefully - who wants that hassle?

What they are good for, is people who have limited areas to grow in, and can only grow 1 or 2 plants at a time - by using feminised seeds they can be assured of getting 100% female plants and no males which is not guaranteed at all if you only grow 2 plants from standard seeds.

Two plants are a lot easier to watch for herm traits than say half a dozen or more.

Personally, I beleive the best plants will always come from standard seeds, selected from a seed breeder with high breeding standards. The seed breeders themselves are the most important choice and not the strain.

Unfortunately, very few people ever bother even looking at the reputation and quality of seed breeders and get caught up in the 'who's got the strain I want' or "which strain has the highest blah blah" fiasco.

Feminised seeds have their place however and I do agree with Videoman in the sense that for some people they can provide a viable cost effective alternative to growing out more standard seeds to get the number of females they want - but that still comes with risks attached and people do need to be aware of those risks.

As you say, the breeder carrying out the process is an important piece in this picture. Making fem seeds is an art, IMO. Some know how to do it, some don't. (FWIW, I've not heard anything good about Dutch Passion fems across the board)

I found a VERY stable fem strain that I've been running for about 2 years now. No herms....dense/chunky buds that taste like cherries/Fruitloops.

Fems are great for med folks w/ limited plant counts.

To me, the benefits outweigh the risks. There's very little difference to me finding a herm than there is finding a male...though with fems you may have paid more for the seeds and finding a herm is very disappointing in that regard. The only difference is that herms can show anytime in the grow and the reg seeds/males are a bit more predictable as to when they will show up.

Another approach are S-1 seeds. These are seeds that are born from chem manipulation where a female is hit with STS or other reversal substances to make male flowers/pollen and that pollen is then used on the same female plant to make seeds. This was done to the Bubba Kush and the OG Kush and has allowed a lot of folks to experience strains that are often horded and hard to source. Like fems...the selfed seeds can exhibit recessive traits of the parental stock in future generations. S-1's can go male at times....but again...their use has a place because without the process a few strains would not be well-circulated amongst the group.

gotta love the options...

babygro said:

Firstly, I never used the word 'crappy' that's your own interpretation of what I said. Why don't you focus your attention on what people actually say, rathether than what YOU think they say?

I actually stated that Cali High didn't have the knowledge to produce 100% stable feminised seeds. As it stands at the moment and considering he asked the question in the first place, means he doesn't. Or are you disagreeing with that statement? Do you think Cali High does have the knowledge to produce 100% stabilised seeds?

This isn't a trick question - you've actually got a 50:50 chance of getting it right. Let's see if you can answer it correctly.



"The first step in producing feminised seeds is to find a 100% stable female plant that doesn't have any hermaphroditic traits, found that plant yet?"

"Ever wondered why feminised seeds are so expensive? So much breeding involved, you think you can do that with your limited knowledge?"

What do you think I'm saying here if it isn't exactly that? I've stated clearly the first step is to find a 100% stable female plant, do you think I said that for fun?

One of the biggest problems with this site and many of the people that use it, is they appear to struggle to understand basic English comprehension. That's not my problem either.

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No I think you said it because you are not wise, that is why you said it, and I'm sure you have never even breed fem seeds, hell you probably don't even know anyone who has breed fem seeds, you just speak what you think you know....but your just an excellent grower.......

I really do think cali-high could make fem seeds at home with help from someone....100% fem..no, because they are a myth, there is know such thing as a 100% feminized seed( they are all hermies, even if miniscule), but he would be able to recreate what the seed banks are making and calling fem seeds......why are they more expensive....hmmmmmmm... is it because they are so hard to make or because of Marketing hype, fem seeds are more expensive because they can be, people pay more for them so you can charge more....does this make sense to you? or should I say it again slower......I know how hard it is for you to learn new things.


you claim you know who the best fem seed breeder is, but have you ever even grown out fem seeds?....oh that's right you speak from other peoples experience and then try to act like you really know what you are talking about.....so i guess you really don't know jack shit about breeding fem seeds.....do you.........

It's always a good laugh talking with you.....although i always feel guilty after words.........I just feel mean for arguing with the mentally disabled, I should not blame you...you where born unwise....

Please tell me I'm not the only one LMFAO

<<<<<Do you think Cali High does have the knowledge to produce 100% stabilised seeds?>>>>

Does ANYONE possess this knowledge babygro? Can a fem strain be "stabilized" in the first place...removing the possible herm trait through further breeding/backcrossing? (i,e, you would have to remove the male chromosome from the mix, IMO to remove this inherent trait)

I don't think it's possible..but I've been wrong before.

And no, you're not the only one, skunk.

dontknow said:

Mr.nice is better they have the 2 real kings of cannibis i agree but greenhouse still has quality seeds.

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I don't have a preference of the two. I'm growing GH feminised White Rhino and paid $40 for 5 seeds(10 non fem'd are $40 also). Mr Nice sells his White Rhino(Medicine Man) for $100 non fem'd. He gives you 15 seeds but still. His Super Silver Haze are $150 and $160, while Greenhouse's are only $60 and $80. I'm using Dr Cronic's site. Maybe Mr Nice's are cheaper elsewhere. Sometimes when I watch the grow videos from Greenhouse Arjan sounds like a cheap salesman especially with his sidekick has his nose up Arjan's booty. So yeah, it's a little annoying but you can't argue with the huge price diff and I doubt the quality is significant. My White Rhinos are really going to be test because they had some difficulty getting started cause the soil was too rich so we'll see if those fem'd babies can produce a solid female when all is said and done...


But I digress.

babygro said:

Doesn't seem to stop you and many others commenting on how rubbish CFL's are at growing when you don't have any direct experience of having grown anything through to harvest with them.

So why are you accusing me, of doing exactly the same as you and thousands of others do on here every single day?

Fucking hypocrit.

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babygro said:

Liar.

You've never done a full grow through to harvest with cfl's.

And the reason you threw them in the corner, is because you're too fucking stupid to figure out how to use them properly, just like the rest of the jerk offs on here who rubbish them at every opportunity.

Strange how some people get extremely good results with them, whilst others give up and switch to HID's because they're easy to get good results with - you don't have to think about what you're doing.

Just like you.

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babygro said:

Wrong.

Gibberellic acid is organic and not only that most commercial versions of it are certified by OMRI, the American Organic Materials Review Institute - take a look in their product listings.

The usual definition of organic is having been sourced from cellular animal or vegetable matter. Gibberellic acid comes from a fungus mushroom - they don't get much more organic than that.

Neither do I give a fuck where this information comes from - Soma, Ed Rosenthal, Mel Frank, Jorge Cervantes - it's wrong.

And you've got the fucking cheek to accuse me of talking bullshit and cutting and pasting shit that's wrong.

Put your own fucking house in order before accusing others of doing EXACTLY WHAT YOUVE JUST FUCKING DONE.

Wanker.

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Wow so my post gets edited because I said babygro was stupid, and all the words get changed to wise...OK...so I guess babygro get special treatment from Skunky....that's pretty gay....I've hi-lighted some of the shit that babygro said in her posts, why didn't her posts get an edit? did she get an infraction also, I just got one in a PM, for calling her stupid, but she calls people fucking stupid, wankers, liars, fucking hypocrites, jerks and nothing happens to her or her posts.....that is pretty fucked up.....I guess you get better unfair treatment here for buddying up with the mods, that's pretty stupid........well have fun hiding behind Skunky, he will protect you, and won't even let anyone call you names....

000420 said:

Wow so my post gets edited because I said babygro was stupid, and all the words get changed to wise...OK...so I guess babygro get special treatment from Skunky....that's pretty gay....I've hi-lighted some of the shit that babygro said in her posts, why didn't her posts get an edit? did she get an infraction also, I just got one in a PM, for calling her stupid, but she calls people fucking stupid, wankers, liars, fucking hypocrites, jerks and nothing happens to her or her posts.....that is pretty fucked up.....I guess you get better unfair treatment here for buddying up with the mods, that's pretty stupid........well have fun hiding behind Skunky, he will protect you, and won't even let anyone call you names....

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Yes, actually babygro DID receive an infraction for calling you a wanker. 2, I believe.

The rest are not direct insults, merely assumptions.

babygro said:

Skunky

The problem with them is as you've highlighted here - it's the increased risk in getting a hermaphrodite plant that you don't spot and manages to pollinate all your plants if you don't spot it in time. There is an increased risk of that happening when using feminised seeds, unless you watch them all extremely carefully - who wants that hassle?

What they are good for, is people who have limited areas to grow in, and can only grow 1 or 2 plants at a time - by using feminised seeds they can be assured of getting 100% female plants and no males which is not guaranteed at all if you only grow 2 plants from standard seeds.

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That's not really true in my experience baby and that's the problem with fem'd seeds- nobody tracks it or knows what to expect. If there is a potential for fem'd seeds to hermie they aren't really 100% female. Unless I got swindled and didn't actually get fem'd seeds I've already had one go "male" on me this season and that's out of two fem'd seeds that showed sex already. I'm still waiting to see what a couple others of a different strain do. But the one that went "male" on me went bigtime balls from top to bottom in about one week. Fortunately I cut it down 10 days ago and my apparent female is starting to show flowers. I sure as heck hope he didn't pollinate her. I don't think he did as the sacks weren't open and I don't believe she was showing any hairs at the time. If I hadn't cut him down he'd be dusting her and any other females as we speak I think. I'm seriously thinking about regular seeds for next year because it seems like I can start the plants in gallon pots early June to mid June and they'll show sex before they outgrow those then I'll transplant the females. Six weeks of veg then flower makes for a pretty nice size plant for me. It is occurring to me that if a person has room for one or two large plants(at harvest) then they have room for four small pots and can find a "genuine" female or two from that. We should start a sticky with some criteria and let people post their experience with fem'd seeds this season. Then there is some kind of data. By the way, the plant that hermie'd bigtime on me had seen very little stress if any. It was a very healthy plant.

000420 said:

Wow so my post gets edited because I said babygro was stupid, and all the words get changed to wise...OK...so I guess babygro get special treatment from Skunky....that's pretty gay....I've hi-lighted some of the shit that babygro said in her posts, why didn't her posts get an edit? did she get an infraction also, I just got one in a PM, for calling her stupid, but she calls people fucking stupid, wankers, liars, fucking hypocrites, jerks and nothing happens to her or her posts.....that is pretty fucked up.....I guess you get better unfair treatment here for buddying up with the mods, that's pretty stupid........well have fun hiding behind Skunky, he will protect you, and won't even let anyone call you names....

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So to keep the peace, I will edit any insultive remarks from now on. Play nice.

Censorship sucks.

However, it is also transparent as Hell. If anyone here has every been to ICMAG..you'll see how mods run amuck..changing and deleting words and ENTIRE POSTS and promoting PERSONAL AGENDA can totally change threads and take the entire site into a "huh?" mode for the casual reader.

Censorship is wrong...it's chickenshit...and it's counterproductive to running a QUALITY cannabis site.

But whatever, ya know? It isn't as if this is the ONLY cannabis board on the net. (it IS the funniest though!)

skunkushybrid said:

Yes, actually babygro DID receive an infraction for calling you a wanker. 2, I believe.

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my post has a red infraction on it, hers has none?

skunkushybrid said:

The rest are not direct insults, merely assumptions.

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so when she says "your too fucking stupid" it's not an insult, but when I say to her "your stupid", it is............what's the difference? Mine was an assumption also, being I don't really know how smart she is.....

000420 said:

Wow so my post gets edited because I said babygro was stupid, and all the words get changed to wise...OK...so I guess babygro get special treatment from Skunky....that's pretty gay....I've hi-lighted some of the shit that babygro said in her posts, why didn't her posts get an edit? did she get an infraction also, I just got one in a PM, for calling her stupid, but she calls people fucking stupid, wankers, liars, fucking hypocrites, jerks and nothing happens to her or her posts.....that is pretty fucked up.....I guess you get better unfair treatment here for buddying up with the mods, that's pretty stupid........well have fun hiding behind Skunky, he will protect you, and won't even let anyone call you names....

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Also, you are perfectly able of changing back your own words to something you consider more suitable. i didn't want to just delete them as it would have ruined the flow of your post. Sorry I wasn't inventive enough for you.

000420 said:

my post has a red infraction on it, hers has none?

babygro is a male, and he has been infracted by widow.



so when she says "your too fucking stupid" it's not an insult, but when I say to her "your stupid", it is............what's the difference? Mine was an assumption also, being I don't really know how smart she is.....

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It depends on the context of the sentence. Also, you need to note that after babygro received his infraction he stopped any insulting posts. Maybe you should just be quiet now, and do the same.

beenthere donethat said:

Does ANYONE possess this knowledge babygro?

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Clearly they do - because they're producing them as a commercial seed and claiming you'll get 100% female plants from them. If they don't have that knowledge then they're liars aren't they?

beenthere donethat said:

Can a fem strain be "stabilized" in the first place...removing the possible herm trait through further breeding/backcrossing?

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Who said anything about stabilising via breeding, backcrossing etc and removing the hermaphrodite trait? I stated clearly earlier in the thread (and I know you've come into this late so I'll cut you some slack) that seed breeders are looking for that one plant that can't be stressed into producing male flowers, ie a stable female plant resistant to hermaphrodite traits. Those plants do exist, just finding it is a long hard slow laborious process. Just as it is in any breeding program when breeding for positive traits and removing negative ones.

No-one said it was easy to find this plant - but that's where a lot of the breeding and searching goes into.

Anyone who thinks it's an easy process of spraying the branch of any old plant with Gibberelic acid and selfing that plant is kidding and deluding themselves and will only succeed in producing a bunch of unstable F2's or F3 hermies.

beenthere donethat said:

(i,e, you would have to remove the male chromosome from the mix, IMO to remove this inherent trait)

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How would removing the male chromosome help when an otherwise female plant can either partially or completely reverse its sex without the male chromosome ever being present? The male chromsome is responsible for producing male or female SEEDS, it plays no part in female plants partially or completely reversing their sex.

Have you ever heard of a female hermaphrodite ever producing genetic male plants from seed?

beenthere donethat said:

I don't think it's possible..but I've been wrong before.

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It is possible - just not easy.

beenthere donethat said:

Censorship sucks.

However, it is also transparent as Hell. If anyone here has every been to ICMAG..you'll see how mods run amuck..changing and deleting words and ENTIRE POSTS and promoting PERSONAL AGENDA can totally change threads and take the entire site into a "huh?" mode for the casual reader.

Censorship is wrong...it's chickenshit...and it's counterproductive to running a QUALITY cannabis site.

But whatever, ya know? It isn't as if this is the ONLY cannabis board on the net. (it IS the funniest though!)

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Please don't get me wrong. I wouldn't ordinarily censor. But this is a healthy debate, why ruin it ANY LONGER with obscenity? I feel that babygro is right, I doubt cali high will try and produce fem' seed anyway. It's just piss in the wind.

I tried to make it funny. 000420 has fucked around with this site in the past. creating new handles, etc. i figured he could take it. Obviously not. He always has the power to re-edit his post, really i just did it because i was giggling like mad at the time.

Well I'm glad everybody's caught up on their own stuff and didn't notice my last post.
I don't where I came up with the theory that my bag seed was from hermie plants. When I woke up the next morning and looked at it, I said, huh. I know I had some kind of well thought out reasoning but I'll be damned if I can remember what it was. I guess I shouldn't post when I'm really stoned and really tired.
I was waiting for somebody to tell me what a wanker i was, thanks for the restraint.

But, I was still curious if anybody had an opinion on BCSeedking feminized BC Buddha? I'm getting some free with an order and was wondering what kind of quality they could be

you all make fun of me for my language , then hear I speak my own language, Norwegian....is that make better?

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This what the translator gave me,

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That's funny too