How to scrog up bushy nl#5xhaze girls?

TheStickMan

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Wow looking beautiful! And teained so nicely, that "carpet" is looking great, i've got quite a bit of that going on with mine!
And 69 buds altogether, thats going to be a good yield, well done!
Not sure what the yellowing is sorry! But I'm sure someone else will. ;-)
 

medicalMonster

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Day 28 of flower
time for a quick update :mrgreen:

One moon ago the girls launched into flower - and this is them today:
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Ahh,have I been looking forward to doing these side-by-side pix - finally! :D

In the undergrowth, I am keeping the soil damp and sprinkle watering daily.
Right after watering:

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This is how I feed my soil :)
A month ago, the pot was up to the rim with fresh leaves & trim from defoliation -- the soil life has eaten quite a bit of it!
Thats alot of dead moldy leaves there.. Do you remove them? I thought you were suppose to, I could be wrong though. Your plants look bad ass so clearly it ain't hurting.

Update - Ok so its like composting your leaves as they fall?
 

calliandra

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Thats alot of dead moldy leaves there.. Do you remove them? I thought you were suppose to, I could be wrong though. Your plants look bad ass so clearly it ain't hurting.

Update - Ok so its like composting your leaves as they fall?
LOL
You shocked me there for half a sec - I just saw "mold", and since I'm a bit scared I may get some in my buds since they're all so cramped up together...! :eyesmoke:

But yes, on the soil, it's what they're supposed to do. :mrgreen:
I recycled soil from my first grow and will make this pot no-till.
Meaning the soil (and old root system of previous grows) just stays in the pot, any amendment will just get topdressed - like the leafage you can see there.
So I am mimicking nature a bit -- out there, no one drops by with handsful of compost or teas, let alone bottles of nutes... stuff just falls on the ground and gets composted there and then by the microbes and worms living in the soil.
I have been doing the same in my veggie garden for the past years and have greatly improved the soil quality. I do think in the pot I will end up amending with worm castings, but to now, my plants haven't said they are missing anything ;)
 

tropicalcannabispatient

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Day 35 of flower
So here it is, the long awaited update at 5 full weeks of flower!
Switched the bulbs for pix again to give you all a nice natural-colored look at them... one would think that taking pix regularly would improve my photography skills, but it seems the opposite is the case lol :p


The general view:
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The main action this week was in the fattening of buds. Without messing with the leaves, I'm counting 18 buds on Dusk and 51 on Dawn :bigjoint:
A bit of stretch on Dawn, as I raised the lights a bit - I was hoping they would find more space to accommodate each other, which was wrong reasoning, as I will show you next ;)

So here's the thing!
Whilst they look really orderly and spaced out on top:
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It looks like I unknowingly weaved part of the colas under the screen lmao
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Those little buds forming a real carpet down there are all on the stems of what looks so nicely aerated and lighted on top!

I only thought to show you the canopy from underneath after I switched back to HPS, but I think you get the idea of how they're trained?

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LOL!
(and yes, I do lay my head in the closet and look at the canopy from below now n then haha!)

So it's pretty tight in there. After I realized this, I checked on the other tall colas and yep, they are blooming right down into the net. So when I say the tall ones are 25 from the screen, that's flowers all the way down :shock:
:fire: Not sure if that is going to spell trouble!
Tho the prospects of them fattening up all the way down are hellishly appetizing :bigjoint:

I still hate my circulation vent, so I tend not to turn it on.
Maybe I should change that?
Thing is, it makes the pistils dry out quicker -- does that matter? (ahh, you can tell I'm actually a noob now, eh? :p)

Otherwise, things seem to be well. I pluck 3-5 dried up leaves out of Dawn every other day, and am not seeing anymore fungus gnats. Keeping the mulch damp by sprinkle watering daily, with more water every 3 days again (the 2nd wave of nematodes is due to go in sometime next week). The marigold says it's good that way, and the girls aren't complaining either. :D

Perhaps a bit of a complaint:
on two of Dawn's colas I saw some yellowing starting, not sure if that's not a bit early with ca. 5 weeks to go?
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One thing is for sure: they're dam sticky!
So, we'll see how they continue next week ;)
Cheers!
Looks awesome!! And 69 buds sounds like the perfect number to me, lmfao. They do look really healthy with a nice frost., the only thing i see is nute burn in most of the leaves tips, but just lower your nuts a little and they should be ok!! Other than that IT LOOKS AWESOME THERE!! keep up the good work!!
 

ArcticOrange

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Looks awesome!! And 69 buds sounds like the perfect number to me, lmfao. They do look really healthy with a nice frost., the only thing i see is nute burn in most of the leaves tips, but just lower your nuts a little and they should be ok!! Other than that IT LOOKS AWESOME THERE!! keep up the good work!!
Yea i should mention here something ive noticed. This gal does NOT seem to like high P, my flower tea was a bit hot for her and i got just a touch of burn on my leaves. Something to keep in mind for the future. Thats the haze side of her expressing the lighter feeding than the NL in my opinion.
 

calliandra

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Thanks guys! :D

Looks awesome!! And 69 buds sounds like the perfect number to me, lmfao. They do look really healthy with a nice frost., the only thing i see is nute burn in most of the leaves tips, but just lower your nuts a little and they should be ok!! Other than that IT LOOKS AWESOME THERE!! keep up the good work!!
Yea i should mention here something ive noticed. This gal does NOT seem to like high P, my flower tea was a bit hot for her and i got just a touch of burn on my leaves. Something to keep in mind for the future. Thats the haze side of her expressing the lighter feeding than the NL in my opinion.
Haha yeah, I only realized later the total added up to 69 -- good omen? :mrgreen:

As for these nute burn symptoms!
I have yet to learn so much about how the soil works!
Thanks for the pointer re high P... I'll have to think about that and how my soil could be too high on it... I'm still just watering with nothing in lol

I have been mulching... not sure but I think P is more available in fungal-heavy environments? could be I shouldn't have added those 2 handsful of decaying wood -- which definitely is feeding the fungal population... :roll: I def need to look into that more!
Cheers!
 

ArcticOrange

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Thanks guys! :D




Haha yeah, I only realized later the total added up to 69 -- good omen? :mrgreen:

As for these nute burn symptoms!
I have yet to learn so much about how the soil works!
Thanks for the pointer re high P... I'll have to think about that and how my soil could be too high on it... I'm still just watering with nothing in lol

I have been mulching... not sure but I think P is more available in fungal-heavy environments? could be I shouldn't have added those 2 handsful of decaying wood -- which definitely is feeding the fungal population... :roll: I def need to look into that more!
Cheers!
I dont think yours is to a problematic extent at all, things to write down for next run, small adjustments eh?
 

calliandra

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So while I've been procrastinating a bit on going out into the snow, I got pulled into my closet and whilst there took some lights out pix just to see how they'd look.
Might as well share a few budpix whilst I'm at it :mrgreen:

The frosty landscape:
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The Dawn and Dusk colas I've been documenting:
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(ok the perspective on Dusk's is a bit retarded with that leaf sticking up in the middle, but you can see how different they are in shape!)

And here's one of Dawn's tallest (=25cm from the screen) that has started getting really fat these past days:
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.....buds aaaall the way down to the screen :D
This cola is 6cm wide at its widest spot up top (mostly, they're at about 3cm - on both Dawn and Dusk)
I'm looking forward to seeing if they will fatten up that much all the way down into the undergrowth! :twisted:
Could be, because that is how they have been filling in too -- from top to bottom...

Which sits me right onto another fence:
to remove some of the cramped up leaves for air & space?
or to leave them to be discarded at the plant's discretion, keeping hold of the photosynthesizers and nute reservoir that they are?
LOL - I guess we'll see as they continue to develop :bigjoint:
 
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calliandra

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Day 42 of flower
So here we are, at 6 full weeks of flower :)
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Not much change this week it seems -- just a bit of bud fattening going on, along with new flowers on the tips of the colas, the tallest of which stretched 1 cm after I raised the lights a bit just in case the yellowing tips had anything to do with too much light.
Not sure, I think not. The yellowing has spread to more colas now, I am just letting it go now, as I cannot be sure how much this is due to rootboundedness.

The "bud studies" - Dawn, Dusk, and Dawn's tall fat cola:
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Maybe it's just me getting used to all that floweriness, or that change is going on in details I fail to notice in all this abundance, but it feels like they're stopping.
I've seen this noted on other people's grows, also noticed this with my horrid auto grow (which however I do not consider a point of reference lol)...
Is this typical of the flowering cycle?

In any case, I will be reducing light time to 11 hours from today, maybe to let them know they can't stay like that forever haha :mrgreen:

Oh and somewhat annoyingly, new fungus gnats appeared on the day I added the second round of nematodes. Maybe I should have just watered em all into the cannabis pot instead of sharing amongst other plants in my flat (thinking 5 mil for 5m² would go around easily)... I may have overestimated the nematodes' hunger / underestimated the amount of larvae that last profuse generation of fungus gnats deposited in the soil there ;)
Cheers!
 

TheStickMan

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Day 42 of flower
So here we are, at 6 full weeks of flower :)
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Not much change this week it seems -- just a bit of bud fattening going on, along with new flowers on the tips of the colas, the tallest of which stretched 1 cm after I raised the lights a bit just in case the yellowing tips had anything to do with too much light.
Not sure, I think not. The yellowing has spread to more colas now, I am just letting it go now, as I cannot be sure how much this is due to rootboundedness.

The "bud studies" - Dawn, Dusk, and Dawn's tall fat cola:
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Maybe it's just me getting used to all that floweriness, or that change is going on in details I fail to notice in all this abundance, but it feels like they're stopping.
I've seen this noted on other people's grows, also noticed this with my horrid auto grow (which however I do not consider a point of reference lol)...
Is this typical of the flowering cycle?

In any case, I will be reducing light time to 11 hours from today, maybe to let them know they can't stay like that forever haha :mrgreen:

Oh and somewhat annoyingly, new fungus gnats appeared on the day I added the second round of nematodes. Maybe I should have just watered em all into the cannabis pot instead of sharing amongst other plants in my flat (thinking 5 mil for 5m² would go around easily)... I may have overestimated the nematodes' hunger / underestimated the amount of larvae that last profuse generation of fungus gnats deposited in the soil there ;)
Cheers!
Wow, just wow! They are really filling out now! :grin:
And I think it is a case of a watched kettle never boils or whatever the bloody saying is! Lol i think they will now concentrate on fattening up! And the new tips on the colas (foxtailing I think it is called? If not someone will tell me I'm wrong and call me a knob, no doubt!) is normal for a Sativa dominant strain, my Trainwreck did loads of it!
I've been looking into the yellowing of leaves for you, and read something which suggested it could be the fungus gnats that are to blame. The little bastards. Made me really itchy as well reading about it, so I hate them twice as much now. :-|
 
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