How to use cal mag

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Star Dog

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johnsmith1010 said:
the third one is TH3 ABC IF NFT by dr allan cooper 1977 plain boring tomatoes and cucumbers when you made everything because there was nothing to buy . the original OG of books
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Lol I've an original mid 80s environment controller.
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Its amazing what you can buy for pennies now, a digital humidity and temperature controller £10 :-)
 
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johnsmith1010

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johnsmith1010 said:
if you have something constructive to add nor references to post I invite 5ou to do so the idea is to educate not spat about easily verifiable science.
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here are 2 excellent books
hydroponic food production by dr Howard m resh UBC agricultural dept
and the ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ORGANIC Gardening an actual commercial production encyclopedia .
now, these are not pot books , so be forewarned. actual science not marijuanna mysticism
 

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Nizza

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I agree with giving your plants 10% runoff every watering in drain to waste or soil, it will leech out the left behind minerals as well as replenishing the ones that were used. Take that 10% runoff and throw it away- dont let the plants suck it up.
 
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PadawanWarrior said:
You think fishing lures are overly complicated, lol?

And they're flashy to attract fish. It simulates the flashes like their prey give off.
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i think inexperienced growers will buy overly complicated, unnecessary equipment on the advice of other under trained , under read people. the vast majority of items sold are either unnecessary or just straight up fraudulent.
it is well known that some fishing lures are made to attract customers as opposed 5o fish. flashy means nothing if there is not a fish that likes it . personally I like panther Martin. even with those, they look very similiar but for me personally the ones that are green like minnows work the best in the small rivers I fish in Ontario. https://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/221947-are-lures-made-for-people-not-fish/
 
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johnsmith1010

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Nizza said:
I agree with giving your plants 10% runoff every watering in drain to waste or soil, it will leech out the left behind minerals as well as replenishing the ones that were used. Take that 10% runoff and throw it away- dont let the plants suck it up.
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I agree with you
 
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Nizza said:
I agree with giving your plants 10% runoff every watering in drain to waste or soil, it will leech out the left behind minerals as well as replenishing the ones that were used. Take that 10% runoff and throw it away- dont let the plants suck it up.
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If you're using chemicals, yes. If you're doing stricly organics, you don't want runoff.
 
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johnsmith1010

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PadawanWarrior said:
If you're using chemicals, yes. If you're doing stricly organics, you don't want runoff.
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so , organics .. organics are exactly the same nutrients as inorganic just bonded into a carbon association with a lot of other minerals. nitrate NO3 nitrogen from calcium nitrate or ammonical nitrogen NH4 in ammonium nitrate ( NO3 and NH4) is the same nitrogen as form blood meal or compost . when s substance such as blood meal has nitrogen some is water soluble, and quite capable of burning roots and releasing over abundance of excess nitrogen, and water insoluble that will need bacterial action to biology process and chelate ( exactly like cows eating grass tuning it from a locked in plant material form to a chelated highly available form) the mineral for it to be available.
but ...when a molecule of nitrogen is absorbed by the root IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME . the nitrogen molecule will have to be suspended in the water and will either be absorbed off a soil particle ( cationic absorption) or form the solution itself ( anionic absorption) .
there is no dffience in the minerals themselves only the delivery and holding system
 

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johnsmith1010

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johnsmith1010 said:
so , organics .. organics are exactly the same nutrients as inorganic just bonded into a carbon association with a lot of other minerals. nitrate NO3 nitrogen from calcium nitrate or ammonical nitrogen NH4 in ammonium nitrate ( NO3 and NH4) is the same nitrogen as form blood meal or compost . when s substance such as blood meal has nitrogen some is water soluble, and quite capable of burning roots and releasing over abundance of excess nitrogen, and water insoluble that will need bacterial action to biology process and chelate ( exactly like cows eating grass tuning it from a locked in plant material form to a chelated highly available form) the mineral for it to be available.
but ...when a molecule of nitrogen is absorbed by the root IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME . the nitrogen molecule will have to be suspended in the water and will either be absorbed off a soil particle ( cationic absorption) or form the solution itself ( anionic absorption) .
there is no dffience in the minerals themselves only the delivery and holding system
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that is why organics are not great in enclosed pots . the nutritional diversity and availability is unknown. you N3ED all 12 mineral minimum required or your plants die .period. outside the missing minerals can be more available even if they are not added in .organics so mesn5 to supplement commercial farming not be the only source . relying on organic products that take oil and fuel 4o produce from composting , processing, bagging and trucking around the country defeats the point of renewable energy reduced growing. it is like that idiodic American policy about producing fuel from corn. when 5ou use fuel and oil based fertilizers to grow a plant and then compost and ferment tha4 plant for fuel again ( as well as taking that food and the land that produced it out of the food market reducing availability) the Brazilians do it right . eat the food and ferment 5he waste for fuel not the vegetable or fruit
 
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Ayokiwi717

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johnsmith1010 said:
i think inexperienced growers will buy overly complicated, unnecessary equipment on the advice of other under trained , under read people. the vast majority of items sold are either unnecessary or just straight up fraudulent.
it is well known that some fishing lures are made to attract customers as opposed 5o fish. flashy means nothing if there is not a fish that likes it . personally I like panther Martin. even with those, they look very similiar but for me personally the ones that are green like minnows work the best in the small rivers I fish in Ontario. https://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/221947-are-lures-made-for-people-not-fish/
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Pretty much always somebody telling you to buy something 9r else your fucked. Thats literally how it is
 
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Ayokiwi717

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johnsmith1010 said:
that is why organics are not great in enclosed pots . the nutritional diversity and availability is unknown. you N3ED all 12 mineral minimum required or your plants die .period. outside the missing minerals can be more available even if they are not added in .organics so mesn5 to supplement commercial farming not be the only source . relying on organic products that take oil and fuel 4o produce from composting , processing, bagging and trucking around the country defeats the point of renewable energy reduced growing. it is like that idiodic American policy about producing fuel from corn. when 5ou use fuel and oil based fertilizers to grow a plant and then compost and ferment tha4 plant for fuel again ( as well as taking that food and the land that produced it out of the food market reducing availability) the Brazilians do it right . eat the food and ferment 5he waste for fuel not the vegetable or fruit
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How long until you see results? I understand you shouldn't see results overnight, but when should you see that its working
 
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Ayokiwi717

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PadawanWarrior said:
Just another newbie know it all. COVID has brought them out like fungus gnats.

I'm basically water only now. I turned my FFOF into no-till. I'm just top dressing with dry amendments. It's definitely a learning process, but I'm getting better slowly. I do give Neptune's Harvest Fish and Seaweed occasionally, and some Earth Juice once in awhile. But over 90% of the time I'm using plain in pH'd water. Probably more like 95% of the time I use plain water.

I'm just trying to make this as easy as possible.
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Is it ok to give minerals once the soil drys? Or should I just give it plain water for awhile?
 
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Ayokiwi717

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rkymtnman said:
ok smart guy show me where you need to give nutes every feed in soil. i'll show you plenty of sources that show you only need one or two per week. if i was gonna use soil to grow weed, i'd build a water only soil and not worry about adding nutes.

and by the way, cannabis needs 16 micro and macro nutes, not 12 like you blabber on about.

i'm sure you got a pic of a lb+ in your 4x4, amirite??
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How long until you guys see a difference from the flush? This is the worst guy
 

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Hollatchaboy

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Ayokiwi717 said:
So just got some cal mag for my calcium deficient and magnesium def. Ladies. My one lady is really hit hard by it. So I started with 4ml since I'm in flowering stage. It says on the bottle every watering as needed, what does that mean? Do I just give it to them until they aren't showing deficiencies? Should I give it to them every watering? Is 4ml a good does or should I do 3 or 5ml? I'm using tap water. My ladies are autos as well. The pic is of the worst lady. She got light leaves, and little brown dots forming on her leaves.
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I would think with tap water you wouldn't need the cal mag. I mean depending on your mineral concentration of your tap.
 
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Ayokiwi717

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Hollatchaboy said:
I would think with tap water you wouldn't need the cal mag. I mean depending on your mineral concentration of your tap.
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Welp at this point I got it. So im gonna use it. Im not going do the 4ml anymore, I may cut it to 2ml to see how that does. I heard it never hurts to add a little more calcium and magnesium. Somebody told me to get it, ofcourse I got it, and now I'm stick with it. I dont think it was a bad purchase though, im sure this stuff will prove useful.
 
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