Hydroponic Gorilla Glue #4 Grow With The Flow (ebb)

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jronnn

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AlphaPhase said:
Thanks man. Depending on the strain I usually do a res Change at day 15 or so and switch to bloom nutes. But with glue, I was noticing alot of premature yellowing around week 6 or 7, so this grow I never did a res Change and I used 50/50 grow and bloom nutes to day 28 or 35 (can't remember) and then I just started adding back only bloom nutes, no res Change, so there's still grow nutes in there but I just stopped adding them back now.
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hey alpha would you recommend a 50/50mix of maxi gro/bloom for a mother plant/clones too? 3.5g/each per gallon. and do you use r.o water? I'm at a cross road between maxibloom, flora nova and lucas formula (8ml micro 16ml bloom) i don't really care about the price differences I just like them all for their simplicity and I'm looking for whichever will help with the yield/health the most. i saw someone post this list on ic mag and it has me wondering, whats your thoughts?

100-100-200-60 target w/ maxi-series-only

1 tsp maxibloom (5 g)
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1/2 tsp maxigro (2.5 g) per 1 gal water:

n-132 - target n-100
p-100 - target p-100
k-231 - target k-200
mg-59 - target mg-60
ca-106
fe-1.2
s-73
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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jronnn said:
hey alpha would you recommend a 50/50mix of maxi gro/bloom for a mother plant/clones too? 3.5g/each per gallon. and do you use r.o water? I'm at a cross road between maxibloom, flora nova and lucas formula (8ml micro 16ml bloom) i don't really care about the price differences I just like them all for their simplicity and I'm looking for whichever will help with the yield/health the most. i saw someone post this list on ic mag and it has me wondering, whats your thoughts?

100-100-200-60 target w/ maxi-series-only

1 tsp maxibloom (5 g)
+
1/2 tsp maxigro (2.5 g) per 1 gal water:

n-132 - target n-100
p-100 - target p-100
k-231 - target k-200
mg-59 - target mg-60
ca-106
fe-1.2
s-73
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It's really hard to say, honestly I would never use Lucas formula for veg, so 100% I wouldn't recommend Lucas for veg to anyone. There are much better options, especially in veg.

I use 50/50 mix of maxigrow and maxibloom for newly rooted cuts and run the mix for a week or two. But after the plants are established and growing well, I like to use more of a 75% maxigrow and 25% maxibloom for veg. Or just maxigrow and if minor P or K deficiencies start, add a dose of maxibloom to the reservoir at about .2ec - I do not use ro water, my tap water is fairly soft at 100ppm or .15ec - I do add calmag when I do a fresh res Change and I add enough to make the ec around .35 or 250ppm, but I rarely add any calmag if I'm just doing top offs (i only change my res water every 4-6 weeks) and I may add a couple tsp if I'm noticing a mag deficiency. I've never used flora nova because it makes the reservoir pretty nasty, but if you're doing drain to waste I hear it works great. It's pretty much the same thing as maxi series except in liquid formula.

What id suggest for a mama plant is either using 100% maxigrow and only adding some maxibloom if you see deficiencies, or using 75%grow 25%bloom. Either way will keep your mama's healthy. It really depends on genetics sometimes, most strains will strive using just maxibloom, but some are a little picky.
 
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jronnn

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AlphaPhase said:
It's really hard to say, honestly I would never use Lucas formula for veg, so 100% I wouldn't recommend Lucas for veg to anyone. There are much better options, especially in veg.

I use 50/50 mix of maxigrow and maxibloom for newly rooted cuts and run the mix for a week or two. But after the plants are established and growing well, I like to use more of a 75% maxigrow and 25% maxibloom for veg. Or just maxigrow and if minor P or K deficiencies start, add a dose of maxibloom to the reservoir at about .2ec - I do not use ro water, my tap water is fairly soft at 100ppm or .15ec - I do add calmag when I do a fresh res Change and I add enough to make the ec around .35 or 250ppm, but I rarely add any calmag if I'm just doing top offs (i only change my res water every 4-6 weeks) and I may add a couple tsp if I'm noticing a mag deficiency. I've never used flora nova because it makes the reservoir pretty nasty, but if you're doing drain to waste I hear it works great. It's pretty much the same thing as maxi series except in liquid formula.

What id suggest for a mama plant is either using 100% maxigrow and only adding some maxibloom if you see deficiencies, or using 75%grow 25%bloom. Either way will keep your mama's healthy. It really depends on genetics sometimes, most strains will strive using just maxibloom, but some are a little picky.
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wow thanks man i really appreciate the reply but yeah thats why i wanted to ask because it doesn't make much sense to use their bloom formula when they have one specifically for veg but yeah I'm going to be starting from seed in root riot plugs so id do the same for those id assume and I'm doing f&d sog the way your growing your glue with covered trays but with zero veg. with f&d mothers in hydroton too but yeah i heard flora nova is a bitch to mix too and some people have to use a paint mixer with a drill to stir it lol. I'm also thinking about using hydroplex in my last weeks of flower because i heard that its one of the only boosters that actually work... do you think it'd work well with maxibloom?
 
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jronnn said:
wow thanks man i really appreciate the reply but yeah thats why i wanted to ask because it doesn't make much sense to use their bloom formula when they have one specifically for veg but yeah I'm going to be starting from seed in root riot plugs so id do the same for those id assume and I'm doing f&d sog the way your growing your glue with covered trays but with zero veg. with f&d mothers in hydroton too but yeah i heard flora nova is a bitch to mix too and some people have to use a paint mixer with a drill to stir it lol. I'm also thinking about using hydroplex in my last weeks of flower because i heard that its one of the only boosters that actually work... do you think it'd work well with maxibloom?
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No problem man, and it's true, the Nova is thick stuff! The only pk booster I'd recommend is gh Kool bloom powder for late flower. But I really don't use any pk boosters, I think for your first few runs skip any pk boosters, or you could just add a bit more maxibloom. Or you could get a bottle of gh flora bloom (not flora nova) and just add a little of that. All a pk boost is, is more pk. But pk boosters cost way more, when any 0-10-10 npk formula will do the same thing. But I'd say no pk to be honest.
 
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jronnn

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AlphaPhase said:
No problem man, and it's true, the Nova is thick stuff! The only pk booster I'd recommend is gh Kool bloom powder for late flower. But I really don't use any pk boosters, I think for your first few runs skip any pk boosters, or you could just add a bit more maxibloom. Or you could get a bottle of gh flora bloom (not flora nova) and just add a little of that. All a pk boost is, is more pk. But pk boosters cost way more, when any 0-10-10 npk formula will do the same thing. But I'd say no pk to be honest.
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alright man I'm going to take your word for it and just chill on the boost until i have everything dialed in and on lock but again, thank you so much dude
 
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Sea of green @ day 49

Very pleased using a higher nitrogen mix. It's worked wonders. Still no yellowing where as with my other nutrients mix they'd look like bananas about now

1200ppm
Only adding back maxibloom and a splash of calmag here and there and a couple teaspoons of Epsom here and there.

I have done no res Change this entire grow and do not plan on it. Recommended nutrient changes every 2 weeks? Who makes this shit up? Lol :confused:

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Ebb buckets day 14.

I've added a 2nd trellis. They're in beast mode, I'll have to get in there and prune a bit at some point. Bud sets are starting. Hella vigorous this round, can I contribute that to the bennies? I don't know, it's my first time using bennies in hydro. But I'm happy with them and that's what counts.

1200ppm 50/50 mix

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sky rocket

sky rocket

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AlphaPhase said:
Sea of green @ day 49

Very pleased using a higher nitrogen mix. It's worked wonders. Still no yellowing where as with my other nutrients mix they'd look like bananas about now

1200ppm
Only adding back maxibloom and a splash of calmag here and there and a couple teaspoons of Epsom here and there.

I have done no res Change this entire grow and do not plan on it. Recommended nutrient changes every 2 weeks? Who makes this shit up? Lol :confused:
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Nice so are you just topping with nutes when the resovoir gets low? Also are you running c02?
 
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sky rocket said:
Man if you had a c02 setup I'm sure you can get 2lbs on your harvest.
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I'm hoping to get 4-5 on the next glue in the ebb buckets :) on the sog, I totally think 2 would be easy with co2 especially if the veg went fine. I'm really surprised the sog did as well as it did since they had some sort of root Rot going on the first 3 weeks. The glue is such a surprising hardy strain, I think anything is possible with it :)
 
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AlphaPhase said:
I'm hoping to get 4-5 on the next glue in the ebb buckets :) on the sog, I totally think 2 would be easy with co2 especially if the veg went fine. I'm really surprised the sog did as well as it did since they had some sort of root Rot going on the first 3 weeks. The glue is such a surprising hardy strain, I think anything is possible with it :)
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When you had the root rot in the 3rd week of flower what did you do to stop it? I always panic and transfer them to coco....
 
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sky rocket said:
When you had the root rot in the 3rd week of flower what did you do to stop it? I always panic and transfer them to coco....
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Well the root rot started the first week of veg, by the time I had to flower, what I did was cut off all the roots outside of the pots then in flower I use the insulation board for a lid and to keep out light. I think the roots were suffocating from an algae of some sort. Even though my res is always covered, the drain and fill bulkheads aren't and also the veg tray isn't. So after cutting off the roots and getting the tray covered, I started using 29% h2o2 2x a week and all new healthy white roots exploded out and made a nice layer of roots on the bottom of the tray. That's about it, if it's not pythium (which is hard to get in ebb and flow) It's probably just some sort of algae killing the roots. Take care of the algae the roots will explode :)

Since I started using bennies and a algaecide, I've not had to worry about the tray being covered. The roots stay nice and healthy, I'm almost 99% certain that any time I had a root issue with ebb and flow, it was just an algae that is Hella easy to fix, and not pythium (which is a bitch)

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Well it's that time of the week again.

The glue in the sea of green are at 8 full weeks and around one more week or so to go. Chunky goodness I might add! I don't think they are done swelling, they just keep getting bigger and bigger. :D I'm just adding back water to the res now. Started water only last Thursday. Ppm dropping and hope to harvest around 600ppm.
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The glue in the ebb buckets just hit 3 full weeks. I'm getting much much more frost than usual at this stage. The stretch should be about done. Most of the lollipopping is done but I left a few in there not pruned for an experiment. All the branches are nicely aligned in rows like soldiers. Loving this grow already! 1150ppm. 50/50 Maxigrow and bloom. And of course the bennies I've grown fond of. I had a couple plants in there that are very sensitive to the light (i got new bulbs) but the glue just don't give an eff, seems like they'd grow right into the glass and not be bothered.
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I also have a tray of glue clones about 1 week or two into veg, I can't remember, I think 1 week. These will replace the sea of green glue and I'll be doing probably 16 of them this time except vegged a bit bigger and topped 2x maybe. We will see.
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The glue s1 babies were also moved to a flood tray.

Fucking glue. I swear like months and months ago I said I wasn't growing it anymore and just look what's happening lol
 
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