Hydroponics Question and Answer NewGrowth Style

flipsidesw

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How is that Arjan's ? I almost ordered some but im scared to grow haze. lol doesnt seem very grower friendly..

Do u use that nature nectar ionic nute?

Yea i already have one of those. And i did notice that it warms up after being on for awhile.

Have you ran one before?
 

NewGrowth

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How is that Arjan's ? I almost ordered some but im scared to grow haze. lol doesnt seem very grower friendly..
I grew it outdoors, it was about seven feet at harvest time, I don't think I would grow this strain indoors.

Do u use that nature nectar ionic nute?
No I use this
The Ionic Hydro - Growth Technology

Yea i already have one of those. And i did notice that it warms up after being on for awhile.

Have you ran one before?
Yes I have run several foggers, the heat is minimal though.
 

flipsidesw

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Oh man your running foggers uh... How many foggers do you use? Nodes? Are they on timers? Or just run24/7... Do you recirculate? If so how? Drain to waste?

Do you have a pic or ur table?
 

NewGrowth

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Oh man your running foggers uh... How many foggers do you use?
Last time I used foggers I built a small set-up for a med patient. It was a 30gal rubbermaid, an air stone, 12 3" net pots and one small fogger.
Nodes? Are they on timers? Or just run24/7... Do you recirculate? If so how? Drain to waste?
Not sure what you mean by "Nodes?" I run the foggers 24/7. No recirculation, just a rubbermaid tub it is more of a DWC/aero cross, see above post.

Do you have a pic or ur table?
I wish I had a pic, currently I am not running an indoor grow. I have done a wide range of hydro grows though. From small closet set ups to large indoor set ups. My favorite set up was VERY similar to Al B's in Manhattan. Four flood tables for a perpetual harvest. Two 1000w hps.

You said ur where planning an indoor grow soon. What method do you plan to use?
Very small indoor grow. I just finished an outdoor grow and it yielded 6.5 lbs dry. I am going to be moving again soon so i don't want anything large. My small winter grow will be Trainwreck from Greenhouse. I am just going to use a homebox xs and stick with soil and a air cooled 400w HPS. My hydro equipment is still packed in boxes in one of those POD's and I don't want to spend the money to have the POD delivered because I can't even make use of all that equipment with my current living conditions. :bigjoint:
BTW if you ever need to move a large grow these thing make it easy! PODS - Reinventing Moving and Storage > Home
 

flipsidesw

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Do you think there is gonna be yield diff between say ebb and flow and fog/aeroponic? assuming they where both under the same conditions. Say u wher gonna run 5 1ks horizontal. What hydro system would you build for it.

I was gonna do something similiar to AL's. I still may. Well actually the only thing i may do diff is watering system.

Im reall baked so srry this is so choppy.
 

NewGrowth

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Do you think there is gonna be yield diff between say ebb and flow and fog/aeroponic? assuming they where both under the same conditions.
If set up and managed properly there should be no difference in yield between systems. Aeroponic systems make it hard to achieve the same plant density you can in an ebb and flow, the benefit is the increased vigor you get with aero.

Say u wher gonna run 5 1ks horizontal. What hydro system would you build for it.
I really like flood tables for their ease of use, but if you want to grow trees check out the bucket system.

I was gonna do something similiar to AL's. I still may. Well actually the only thing i may do diff is watering system.
Still not sure what you mean by watering system but nothing beats a flood table as far as simplicity and ease of operation.

Im reall baked so srry this is so choppy.
No worries bro I've been smoking that haze myself :bigjoint:
 

flipsidesw

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By watering systems i mean different i mean dwc, aero,nft, ebb and flow etc.

I just want the best yeilding hydro system under a 1000w horizontal.

how many plants do you think you could fit on 3x3 flood table? Do you think if i went for 36 which is 4 per sq ft, do you think i could get an oz off of each? What smallest pot size i can use for flowering clones on a flood table?

Thanks for the help bro.!
 

NewGrowth

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By watering systems i mean different i mean dwc, aero,nft, ebb and flow etc.
Ok I got you now :lol:

I just want the best yeilding hydro system under a 1000w horizontal.
I prefer flood tables myself, yield will be more dependent on plant size (veg time), strain, and how well you manage your grow.

how many plants do you think you could fit on 3x3 flood table? Do you think if i went for 36 which is 4 per sq ft, do you think i could get an oz off of each? What smallest pot size i can use for flowering clones on a flood table?
Depends on the size of the plants, I think you could easily get an oz off each plant. The smallest "pot size" I would recommend would be 6" rockwool cubes placed directly on the table and covered in plastic. The downside to doing this is you can not move your plants once the roots become entangled. If you used 8" pots you should be able to fit at least 20-22 plants on a 3x3 table. If you are doing smaller clones you can go with higher plant numbers and get a higher over all yield. If you use larger clones you can have less plants and get more yield per plant (probably closer to the oz pre plant you are looking for). Trade offs with each . . .

Thanks for the help bro.!
For sure bro:smile:
 

flipsidesw

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Well roots becoming entangled doesnt scare me too much because i wouldnt really need to move them once they are that big.

Ok this is where i got lost with another grower.. Wtf happens to the roots once the rockwool is overgrown. I mean wont they be sticking out the bottom and end being exposed to my lighting? Can i do this with out clay pebbles.
 

NewGrowth

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Well roots becoming entangled doesnt scare me too much because i wouldnt really need to move them once they are that big.

Ok this is where i got lost with another grower.. Wtf happens to the roots once the rockwool is overgrown. I mean wont they be sticking out the bottom and end being exposed to my lighting? Can i do this with out clay pebbles.
Yes that is why I cover the cubes with panda plastic and just cut holes for the stems. No need for hydroton, did an ak-47/white widow grow with the 6" cubes. You will have to run string between the plants to tie them for support however because the rockwool cubes will not support them very well past 1ft of growth.
 

flipsidesw

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Panda plastic?

Im still leaning toward aero or nft type systems. I just dont want have to buy new media for every grow. I guess i would sacrifice one or two less plants to achieve. This is what i meant by cheapest grow under 1000w. More initial start up but once built it should be self sufficient. Only thing to run out of is nutrients.. Maybe replace some misters but thats about it. I wouldnt have to get pots or nothing.
 

growinman

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:weed:Hey there, NewGrowth!! Great thread you've started---and I am learning a lot from your conversation with flipsides!

Can you tell me how many times you'd flood the table your talking about-- I mean I know it would vary due to growth, etc., but isn't overwatering the rw hard to not do? That's what really scared me away from rockwool is the overwatering risks in any situation.... I have rooted clones right now in rw plugs I was going to put inside hydroton in net pots for an AF20.....but now I am starting again and rooting in a dwc cloner, then to the hydroton.......
My original plan was to use just rockwool, in an AF20 and a table---just scared of overwatering and not being able to keep fresh nutes and o2 available....

Thanks:bigjoint:
 

NewGrowth

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Panda plastic?
Just a thick plastic used to line grow room walls, floor, ect. It is black on one side and white on the other to prevent any light penetration.
Hydroponic Extras - Accessories and fittings

Im still leaning toward aero or nft type systems. I just dont want have to buy new media for every grow. I guess i would sacrifice one or two less plants to achieve. This is what i meant by cheapest grow under 1000w. More initial start up but once built it should be self sufficient. Only thing to run out of is nutrients.. Maybe replace some misters but thats about it. I wouldnt have to get pots or nothing.
Go for it bro. There are trade offs with each system, aero/NFT systems tend to get clogged a lot and have to be closely monitored, also if you have a power failure your plants could die within hours if not hand watered.

Can you tell me how many times you'd flood the table your talking about-- I mean I know it would vary due to growth, etc., but isn't overwatering the rw hard to not do? That's what really scared me away from rockwool is the overwatering risks in any situation.... I have rooted clones right now in rw plugs I was going to put inside hydroton in net pots for an AF20.....but now I am starting again and rooting in a dwc cloner, then to the hydroton.......
My original plan was to use just rockwool, in an AF20 and a table---just scared of overwatering and not being able to keep fresh nutes and o2 available....
You are correct rockwool holds a lot of water and can easily become over saturated. Once the plants get larger and the roots migrate out of the rockwool cubes it becomes less of a problem. For small clones in rockwool only I flood the table once a day right after lights on and only flood to about 1/2" up the cubes. When the plants get larger up to twice a day during lights on only and still just 1/2" up the 6" cubes. It also depends on the number of plants in a 4x4 tray for the AK-47/White Widow grow we packed close to 50 plants onto a 4x4 tray with 6" cubes. When the plants matured we were flooding much more often and for longer periods as the plants quickly sucked up the water. I prefer to run pots with hydroton and rockwool however because you can move your plants around. I am going to look into using fytocell next time around though. :peace:
 

flipsidesw

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Hey what up man!!

I got a question for ya. OK i have a reflector to 5' of venting to my 270cfm fan to 2' more venting to exhaust port. Can i stick a carbon filter on the other side of the exhaust port? Can carbon filter work in conjunction with light cooling or is that to much? Hope this makes sense.
 

NewGrowth

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Hey what up man!!

I got a question for ya. OK i have a reflector to 5' of venting to my 270cfm fan to 2' more venting to exhaust port. Can i stick a carbon filter on the other side of the exhaust port? Can carbon filter work in conjunction with light cooling or is that to much? Hope this makes sense.
Depends on the fans static pressure. Some fans such as duct boosters have low static pressure and can only push air through short lengths of duct. Blower type fans have a higher static pressure and can move air through longer lengths of duct work. CFM rating alone is not enough to determine. I have found carbon filters work better when you pull air through them rather than push. :peace:
 

flipsidesw

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I dont know what the static pressure is.. Its a 6'' Can Fan.

I wanna try this skunk #1 but i heard it stinks more than most. So im getting something get rid of the smell. I dont really have the space for another fan and a scrubber..

Any advice on odor control?
 

NewGrowth

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I dont know what the static pressure is.. Its a 6'' Can Fan.
Here is a good chart Can Fan - Inline Fans the problem is I am not a mechanical engineer and I have no idea how to estimate how much static pressure is created by your filter and all that duct work. I can tell you that from that chart can fans are able to handle pretty high levels of static pressure (.5" is getting high) without too much reduction in airflow. Your 270 cfm fan only drops to 185 cfm at .5". With that knowledge (once agin not a mechanical engineer here:-?) I would assume that your fan would be effective in cooling up to two 1000 w lights even with the filter and all that duct work attached. Just a semi-educated guess though :mrgreen:

I wanna try this skunk #1 but i heard it stinks more than most. So im getting something get rid of the smell. I dont really have the space for another fan and a scrubber..
Any advice on odor control?
Your carbon filter alone will not handle the smell? Carbon filters are by far the most effective means of eliminating odors. Ozone is close behind.
 

caddyluck

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Hey New Growth! I'm on my first hydro grow and am 35 days into flower. My PPM is around 1300, what is a "typical" PPM # for flowering? I'm using GH 3-part Flora Series using the "agressive bloom" dose. They vegged for 6-7 weeks and did well under the "agressive growth" dose @ 1600PPM. Also, would it be worth it on my next grow to use Liquid Koolbloom? Thanks!
 

flipsidesw

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I dont have the scrubber yet. Didnt wanna throw down the cash unless i had a better feeling that i would work. The guy at hydro shop said it wouldnt work but I honestly felt he didnt know what he was talking about. Also he was charging 310 for 6'' can with scrubber. Anyways Ozone is my last resort.

Do you know of any cheap places for carbon scrubbers?
 
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