Hydroponics Question and Answer NewGrowth Style

Hi newgrowth my question is how long do the roots grow before the seedling will pop up when growing from seed?

my roots are like 2 inches long with no seedling yet?

Yea, fluro's for my mothers and the hps for my clones. Should i start out my clones with the fluro until the root and i take them into flowering?
But about the fans, i always heard that circulation is very important, but ill take your advice and subtract one or two from the plans. And i may also just do 9-12 plants on the rubermaid, but again im not sure if im gonna just try to find a bigger one or try to combine two, it'd be a bitch though. But no i live in the US, but i have a good local flea market close by now that i think about it, so ill hit it up looking for air pumps, containers, and other potential growing materials. I plan on using the "ionic" brand hydro nutes. Iv heard good things about them so it should work for me

Hey NewGrowth!
I have a question regarding nutes. I am using Dutch Master Advance Grow (A & B) and Zone in my hydo steup. I also foliar feed every other day with Liquid Light. I have 2 fem Seedism BLZ Bud seedlings and 2 fem Barney's Farm Red Diesel seedlings that got their first light nutes last week. I put 30ml of Advanced Grow A & B (each) and 5ml of the Zone. My tap water tds is 210 with a ph of 7.2.
I have read that you like Ionic nutes in your posts. Should I switch to Ionic for the Fogponic/bubbler set up? I can use the Dutch Master nutes in a 10 gallon drip hydro set up that I also have in my Homebox S tent. I am growing 6 auto Lowllife fem AK47s in the 10 gal set up, under a 400 watt MH/HPS. The other set up in my tent is under 6 Grow CFLS w/30,000 lumens. I have the 400 watt exhausted into my closet attic with a 442 CFM fan.
Sorry so much info, but I am a detail freak! I am growing the 6 AK 47s and when I finish with harvesting, I want to take clones from the BLZ Buds and Red Diesels (I have an 8 site Daisy cloner). I will flower the 8 clones in the 10 gallon set up, and flower the other 4 plants in the 6 gallon set up.
Well, I know the more you know about my grow the easier it is to give an answer. Thanks again for all of your help, NewGrowth! I see you are growing some Trainwreck seeds out next! Sounds like a wild ride! I just ordered 5 fem Dutch Quality White Shark seeds and 5 Mazari Skunk seeds, along with 5 fem C9 Jack seeds. I will be growing the White Shark and Jack (I like their 7 week flowering period). Well if you get a chance let me know about Ionic nutes! protopipe1

ovechkin8 said:

Hi newgrowth my question is how long do the roots grow before the seedling will pop up when growing from seed?
my roots are like 2 inches long with no seedling yet?

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How deep did you plant them? What did you plant them in?

swishatwista said:

Yea, fluro's for my mothers and the hps for my clones. Should i start out my clones with the fluro until the root and i take them into flowering?

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Yes its a good idea to start clones under flouros, check out the cloning info in the grow FAQ too. Lots of methods to choose from . . . .

But about the fans, i always heard that circulation is very important, but ill take your advice and subtract one or two from the plans.

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You are correct ventilation is very important to maintain a healthy grow environment. But one fan with an adequate CFM rating makes more sense than 3-4 fans.

And i may also just do 9-12 plants on the rubermaid, but again im not sure if im gonna just try to find a bigger one or try to combine two, it'd be a bitch though.

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Go for it!

But no i live in the US, but i have a good local flea market close by now that i think about it, so ill hit it up looking for air pumps, containers, and other potential growing materials. I plan on using the "ionic" brand hydro nutes. Iv heard good things about them so it should work for me

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I use Ionic nutes myself, one of the few people that does. They have worked great for me though.

protopipe1 said:

Hey NewGrowth!
I have a question regarding nutes. I am using Dutch Master Advance Grow (A & B) and Zone in my hydo steup. I also foliar feed every other day with Liquid Light. I have 2 fem Seedism BLZ Bud seedlings and 2 fem Barney's Farm Red Diesel seedlings that got their first light nutes last week. I put 30ml of Advanced Grow A & B (each) and 5ml of the Zone. My tap water tds is 210 with a ph of 7.2.
I have read that you like Ionic nutes in your posts. Should I switch to Ionic for the Fogponic/bubbler set up?

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I have no problem with other nutrient brands, I'm not a spokesman for Ionic. They are just what I have used and am comfortable with using. With a fogger you definitely want a nutrient that dissolves well and has no organic components. Sediment from certain nutrients will build up on the fogger disc as will organic matter. If you are comfortable with Dutch master nutes stick with them.

I can use the Dutch Master nutes in a 10 gallon drip hydro set up that I also have in my Homebox S tent. I am growing 6 auto Lowllife fem AK47s in the 10 gal set up, under a 400 watt MH/HPS. The other set up in my tent is under 6 Grow CFLS w/30,000 lumens. I have the 400 watt exhausted into my closet attic with a 442 CFM fan.
Sorry so much info, but I am a detail freak!

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Its all good so am I when it comes to growing! Plus its very hard to answer vague questions like: "Whats wrong with my plant? The leaves are yellow!" I almost always leave these questions alone when I find them.

I am growing the 6 AK 47s and when I finish with harvesting, I want to take clones from the BLZ Buds and Red Diesels (I have an 8 site Daisy cloner). I will flower the 8 clones in the 10 gallon set up, and flower the other 4 plants in the 6 gallon set up.
Well, I know the more you know about my grow the easier it is to give an answer. Thanks again for all of your help, NewGrowth!

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No problem bro, I'm a big fan of diesel I grew Sour Diesel for a bit in NYC.

I see you are growing some Trainwreck seeds out next! Sounds like a wild ride! I just ordered 5 fem Dutch Quality White Shark seeds and 5 Mazari Skunk seeds, along with 5 fem C9 Jack seeds. I will be growing the White Shark and Jack (I like their 7 week flowering period). Well if you get a chance let me know about Ionic nutes! protopipe1

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Actually they sent me K-train seeds instead of the Trainwreck So now I'm growing them. I want to try out white shark myself . . .
Once again not a spokesman for Ionic, they just work for me. If you have any specific questions about them I would be happy to answer though.

Your answers were just what I needed. I like your open minded approach to growing...very positive way of looking at things (which is my way too!).
I will stay with the Dutch Master nutes for now, but I think when they run out I will try an experiment and use DM in one hydro and Ionic in the other. I am definitely the scientific type who likes to try different methods (like you!). To me that is the only way to gain true insight. Some people get set in there ways and anything that goes against their way is wrong to them! They need to keep an open mind!
I think you will enjoy the K Train, couch-locked all day! I will keep you updated on my growing (I would start a journal, but I still haven't figured out how to download pics to the site as I am a lttle tech challenged!). Have a great day NewGrowth! protopipe1

protopipe1 said:

Your answers were just what I needed. I like your open minded approach to growing...very positive way of looking at things (which is my way too!).
I will stay with the Dutch Master nutes for now, but I think when they run out I will try an experiment and use DM in one hydro and Ionic in the other. I am definitely the scientific type who likes to try different methods (like you!). To me that is the only way to gain true insight. Some people get set in there ways and anything that goes against their way is wrong to them! They need to keep an open mind!

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Glad to hear proto, there are a lot of myths an opinions in the growing community. The best thing to have is a critical/scientific mind. Let me know what happens when you use these two nutes side by side.

I think you will enjoy the K Train, couch-locked all day! I will keep you updated on my growing (I would start a journal, but I still haven't figured out how to download pics to the site as I am a lttle tech challenged!). Have a great day NewGrowth! protopipe1

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Yeah I kind of did not want a couch lock strain, that is why I am not a big kush fan but oh well . . . I still have plenty of Haze and I can't judge the smoke before the seedlings have even sprouted!

i planted it like 1 cm deep in teh sponge foam that the Aerogarden thing comes with

ovechkin8 said:

i planted it like 1 cm deep in teh sponge foam that the Aerogarden thing comes with

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Rapid rooters? Do you have a light on? Sometimes that will encourage the sprout to come on up. You should be seeing them pretty soon . . .

Hey NG, i just have a few more uncertainys(hopfully a word), for one, im going to need a cool tube for my either 400/600w hps, and im wondering if a cool tube is going to be needed, and if so, im going to ahve to have a carbon filter so all the smell stays within the box, so im kind of uncertain about the set up that those 3 are going to have( the light, the cool tube, and carbon filter). And my other concern is that im not quite sure what size bulb to use. At first i was thinking 600w, but im probably only going to be growing 12 plants from sog and going straight into flowering from root. So what'da think NG?

swishatwista said:

.Hey NG, i just have a few more uncertainys(hopfully a word), for one, im going to need a cool tube for my either 400/600w hps, and im wondering if a cool tube is going to be needed, and if so, im going to ahve to have a carbon filter so all the smell stays within the box, so im kind of uncertain about the set up that those 3 are going to have( the light, the cool tube, and carbon filter)

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Yes for lights of that size you will need a cool tube. I'm Jammin . . . .
Especially considering the size of your grow space.

And my other concern is that im not quite sure what size bulb to use. At first i was thinking 600w, but im probably only going to be growing 12 plants from sog and going straight into flowering from root. So what'da think NG?

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For that few plants you can get away with 400w however if you want to grow really big plants 600w. The larger light requires a higher fan speed however to run the cool tubes. Resulting in higher cost. peace out son

This has been a very informative thread. I had a few questions for you though. I am a noob preparing for my first grow. I recently just purchased a cool cab by sunlightsheds. I do not know if you are familiar with the product, but it is a turn key self automated system. It comes with everything you need. Specifically though it comes with a 14 plant hydroflora system, and i was wondering how many plants you actually think i would be able to fit in the system without over crowding the plants. here is the link

Cool Cab

I have the choice of choosing from 3 different strains, Master Kush, Big Bang, and KillaWatt. I am going for maximum yield. Also the cab probably has about 4 and a half feet of grow space height wise, and i was wondering what technique do u think should be used for maximum yield. Whether that be standard or traditional, or a SCROG or SOG grow. Your suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks and any other suggestions on what to watch for or do on my first grow would be awesome.

KillaCam420 said:

This has been a very informative thread. I had a few questions for you though. I am a noob preparing for my first grow. I recently just purchased a cool cab by sunlightsheds. I do not know if you are familiar with the product, but it is a turn key self automated system. It comes with everything you need. Specifically though it comes with a 14 plant hydroflora system, and i was wondering how many plants you actually think i would be able to fit in the system without over crowding the plants. here is the link

Cool Cab

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I purchased a PC grower from them years ago and was not impressed. I would like to see the cool cab in operation however. I would guess half that number of plants and there is no way you would get dense buds with plants of any height in that space, without side lighting. I think it looks cool but will not work out as well as a home made comparably priced set up. or even a closet . . . I also have a feeling it is not quite "turn key" and may need modifications to operate effectively.

I have the choice of choosing from 3 different strains, Master Kush, Big Bang, and KillaWatt. I am going for maximum yield. Also the cab probably has about 4 and a half feet of grow space height wise, and i was wondering what technique do u think should be used for maximum yield. Whether that be standard or traditional, or a SCROG or SOG grow. Your suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks and any other suggestions on what to watch for or do on my first grow would be awesome.

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I would suggest a SCROG in such a narrow space, you will not be able to grow bushy plants in there but a well trimmed SCROG might work out well and increase yield considerably. The trick is to thread healthy bud site into each hole of the netting. Trim anything below 1.5 feet also, keep the light as close as possible.

Hi there! I went ahead and got the Ionic line.
I got 1 gallon of Ionic Grow, 1 gallon of Ionic Bloom and 1 quart of Ionic Boost. I got it online at 4hydro and the bloom and grow gals. were only $24.95 each!
I am going to conduct an experiment with these nutes and Dutch Master. I wll use the Ionic nutes in the 6 gal bubbleponic set up to veg 2 Paradise seeds fem. Opiums, and 2 Quality Dutch fem. White Shark seeds. I am growing 7 autos in my 8 gal. set up, and when they get down to 10 days left, I will take clones off my Opium and White Shark plants. After harvest, I will flower the clones and 4 plants w/Ionic nutes. Then I will repeat the same grow with the Dutch Master nutes and see what my yields look like! I will keep you in the loop! protopipe1

protopipe1 said:

Hi there! I went ahead and got the Ionic line.
I got 1 gallon of Ionic Grow, 1 gallon of Ionic Bloom and 1 quart of Ionic Boost. I got it online at 4hydro and the bloom and grow gals. were only $24.95 each!

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Yeah cheap too huh!? I love these nutes, you can get twice as much for half the cost . . .

I am going to conduct an experiment with these nutes and Dutch Master. I wll use the Ionic nutes in the 6 gal bubbleponic set up to veg 2 Paradise seeds fem. Opiums, and 2 Quality Dutch fem. White Shark seeds. I am growing 7 autos in my 8 gal. set up, and when they get down to 10 days left, I will take clones off my Opium and White Shark plants. After harvest, I will flower the clones and 4 plants w/Ionic nutes. Then I will repeat the same grow with the Dutch Master nutes and see what my yields look like! I will keep you in the loop! protopipe1

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Awesome! Can you give us a price comparison on the Dutch Master nutes compared to Ionic too?

Hey NewGrowth, im growing some kush in about a week and i planned on using the DWC, but iv heard that growing in soil gives it more a purple color if it is capable of it. i was wondering about your overall opinion on whether it'd be more benefitial to grow using soil or the dwc, air pump, system.
Another question, first i would have to grow mothers out of seeds to make clones. Do you think i should put those seeds straight into good soil after they crack? Thanks

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Hey NewGrowth, im growing some kush in about a week and i planned on using the DWC, but iv heard that growing in soil gives it more a purple color if it is capable of it. i was wondering about your overall opinion on whether it'd be more benefitial to grow using soil or the dwc, air pump, system.

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Purple and red colors are often the result of a phosphorous deficient plant. The reason plants turn purple in cold weather is that the cold can cause phosphorous lockout. Very few plants actually have a purple phenotype, much of what is sold are just poorly cared for buds or buds forced to turn purple. I think kush is often shown purple because of the region it comes from. It can get very cold up in the mountains causing a purple plant.
Nothing like the taste of organic soil grown bud, but a DWC will probably give you better results/yield if you have never done much with soil. If you are interested in organics check out Oshogreen's threads he is a true organic master.

Another question, first i would have to grow mothers out of seeds to make clones. Do you think i should put those seeds straight into good soil after they crack? Thanks

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Yes once the crack go ahead and put them into good soil.

thanks for your advice. I was planning on probably doing a 6 plant SCROG. Probably gonna use the Master Kush for my first try cuz i hear it is an easy strain for beginners to grow. I was thinking about installing some lights on the side of the cab to increase growth of the side branches and get more light to all the bud sites. If i were to do this what type of light do u think i should use on the sides? and what wattage? because i don't want them to get too hot with the plants being so close to the light. and if i were to do a scrog how far above the plants when they are vegging should i install or place the screen. I dont know if the distance the screen is from the initial growth of the plants has any impact on the yield in a SCROG.

Yes i have also heard bad things about the PC Planter, but i have heard numerous good things and good reviews about the cool cab. Hopefully it all works out for me. Thanks for your help again!

The prices for Dutch Master Advanced Grow A & B, and Advanced Bloom A & B are $45.00 on cheahydroponics.com. That is for a 5 liter bottle, which makes it much more expensive than Ionic. The Liquid Light is $40 which is cheap compared to the retail price of $59. So it will be interesting to see if there is any difference in yield. Take care. protopipe1

KillaCam420 said:

thanks for your advice. I was planning on probably doing a 6 plant SCROG. Probably gonna use the Master Kush for my first try cuz i hear it is an easy strain for beginners to grow. I was thinking about installing some lights on the side of the cab to increase growth of the side branches and get more light to all the bud sites. If i were to do this what type of light do u think i should use on the sides?

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Im reeeealy high right now
Flouroecent tubes would work best, no high heat lamps for side lighting. Also a fan to circulate air under the canopy.
If you do a SCROG correctly you should not need side lighting.

and what wattage? because i don't want them to get too hot with the plants being so close to the light. and if i were to do a scrog how far above the plants when they are vegging should i install or place the screen. I dont know if the distance the screen is from the initial growth of the plants has any impact on the yield in a SCROG.

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Tubes run at a pretty low temperature so heat build up would be minimal in a small cab. I'm more used to larger rooms where HID's are used for side lighting.

The higher you place the screen the more budsites you should be able to thread into it. The trade off is your veg time is increased. There is a maximum set point but it is unique to each grow space and strain.

Yes i have also heard bad things about the PC Planter, but i have heard numerous good things and good reviews about the cool cab. Hopefully it all works out for me. Thanks for your help again!

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Yeah keep us updated bro

protopipe1 said:

The prices for Dutch Master Advanced Grow A & B, and Advanced Bloom A & B are $45.00 on cheahydroponics.com. That is for a 5 liter bottle, which makes it much more expensive than Ionic. The Liquid Light is $40 which is cheap compared to the retail price of $59. So it will be interesting to see if there is any difference in yield. Take care. protopipe1

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So $25 compared to $45, What I'm interested in finding is even if Dutch Master nutes provide a slightly higher yield, is it still worth the initial investment? Or maybe I'm just stoned . . .