Hypocrisy Thy Name Is Union - Unions Demand Exemption From LA's $15 Minimum Wage

Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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This hypocrisy was discussed on FOX News 'The Five' yesterday.

The argument is, from the union side, as follows:

Rusty Hicks, who heads the county Federation of Labor and helps lead the Raise the Wage coalition, said Tuesday night that companies with workers represented by unions should have leeway to negotiate a wage below that mandated by the law.

“With a collective bargaining agreement, a business owner and the employees negotiate an agreement that works for them both. The agreement allows each party to prioritize what is important to them,” Hicks said in a statement. “This provision gives the parties the option, the freedom, to negotiate that agreement. And that is a good thing.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/05/27/hypocrisy-they-name-is-union-unions-demand-exemption-from-las-15-minimum-wage/
 
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schuylaar

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Uncle Ben said:
This hypocrisy was discussed on FOX News 'The Five' yesterday.

The argument is, from the union side, as follows:

Rusty Hicks, who heads the county Federation of Labor and helps lead the Raise the Wage coalition, said Tuesday night that companies with workers represented by unions should have leeway to negotiate a wage below that mandated by the law.

“With a collective bargaining agreement, a business owner and the employees negotiate an agreement that works for them both. The agreement allows each party to prioritize what is important to them,” Hicks said in a statement. “This provision gives the parties the option, the freedom, to negotiate that agreement. And that is a good thing.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/05/27/hypocrisy-they-name-is-union-unions-demand-exemption-from-las-15-minimum-wage/
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that makes no sense..and is..wait for it..against the LAW..would never happen..not even with a union..paying less than minimum is a federal offense..unless of course, it has to do with bible thumping and then you can get the supremes involved so mr. fire and brimstone c-corp can save a few pennies on birth control co-pay..the unborn or 'rise in your pants' have more rights than living human beings, in that case.

additionally union dues are proportional to wage and exemption would only mean less dues for the arbitrators.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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schuylaar said:
that makes no sense..and is..wait for it..against the LAW.

additionally union dues are proportional to wage and exemption would only mean less dues for the arbitrators.
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The law? You need to start watching The Five and get a touch of reality, the facts. It's no different that Congress being exempt from Obamacare. They saw for what it is, after it was passed of course under a cloak of obscurity, and don't want any part of it.

"The unions are now insisting that that $15 an hour should not actually be the minimum wage in workplaces where unions are involved. Unionised shops should be allowed to set the wage lower than $15 if that’s what they want to do. This could be described as chutzpah, as I have above. It could also be described as repulsively naked arrogance, your choice there."

The union is arguing against the minimum wage. It just isn't fair. :D
 
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schuylaar

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Uncle Ben said:
The law? You need to start watching The Five and get a touch of reality, the facts. It's no different that Congress being exempt from Obamacare. They saw for what it is, after it was passed of course under a cloak of obscurity, and don't want any part of it.

"The unions are now insisting that that $15 an hour should not actually be the minimum wage in workplaces where unions are involved. Unionised shops should be allowed to set the wage lower than $15 if that’s what they want to do. This could be described as chutzpah, as I have above. It could also be described as repulsively naked arrogance, your choice there."

The union is arguing against the minimum wage. It just isn't fair. :D
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myth. fail. congress is not exempt from ACA and they all have it or must have from their spouses company.

http://obamacarefacts.com/congress-obamacare/

you need to stop watching fox, man..it's rotting your brain..case in point, why you are out of touch..you believe their lies.

it's real easy..g-o-o-g-l-e..aren't you tired of looking like a fool?

EDIT: even sadder, is that you'll walk away from this conversation still quoting 'the five' as fact :lol:
 
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Harrekin

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schuylaar said:
myth. fail. congress is not exempt from ACA and they all have it or must have from their spouses company.

http://obamacarefacts.com/congress-obamacare/

you need to stop watching fox, man..it's rotting your brain..case in point, why you are out of touch..you believe their lies.

it's real easy..g-o-o-g-l-e..aren't you tired of looking like a fool?
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It actually says those who work for congress and staffers are mentioned specifically.

I need moar than that to draw any conclusions.

Another source perhaps?
 
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schuylaar

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Harrekin said:
It actually says those who work for congress and staffers are mentioned specifically.

I need moar than that to draw any conclusions.

Another source perhaps?
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i don't even have to look because i know US health and benefit law (hint: i did this for a living).

employers must provide health for full-time individuals; the government is no exception, they are an employer..the only way to not have ACA would be if your spouse's company provided your coverage.

again, this is US law.

google is available 24/7 worldwide.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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schuylaar said:
i don't even have to look because i know US health and benefit law (hint: i did this for a living).

employers must provide health for full-time individuals; the government is no exception, they are an employer..the only way to not have ACA would be if your spouse's company provided your coverage.

again, this is US law.

google is available 24/7 worldwide.
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So you can't back up your claim with anything substantive despite having "worked at it"?

Your assertion is refuted from lack of evidence, good day.
 
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schuylaar

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Harrekin said:
So you can't back up your claim with anything substantive despite having "worked at it"?

Your assertion is refuted from lack of evidence, good day.
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and your fingers are fucking broken?..i've already posted citation..if you don't fucking like it? well ya know, potroast, anyone?:wink:
 
Fogdog

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Harrekin said:
So you can't back up your claim with anything substantive despite having "worked at it"?

Your assertion is refuted from lack of evidence, good day.
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@Harrekin , you are better than this. Why should @schuylaar spoon feed you information only to have you spew back an ignorant one or two lines? I know that you live in Ireland but the internet works there too. Are your fingers inoperative? If so, you could use one of those pointers that you hold in your mouth. And a good day to you too sir.
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
@Harrekin , you are better than this. Why should @schuylaar spoon feed you information only to have you spew back an ignorant one or two lines? I know that you live in Ireland but the internet works there too. Are your fingers inoperative? If so, you could use one of those pointers that you hold in your mouth. And a good day to you too sir.
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thank you..chivalry is not dead!:hug:

EDIT: it's gets tiring and not even a good troll..a 'convince me' attitude all the while offering up nothing himself.
 
Fogdog

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Uncle Ben said:
The law? You need to start watching The Five and get a touch of reality, the facts. It's no different that Congress being exempt from Obamacare. They saw for what it is, after it was passed of course under a cloak of obscurity, and don't want any part of it.

"The unions are now insisting that that $15 an hour should not actually be the minimum wage in workplaces where unions are involved. Unionised shops should be allowed to set the wage lower than $15 if that’s what they want to do. This could be described as chutzpah, as I have above. It could also be described as repulsively naked arrogance, your choice there."

The union is arguing against the minimum wage. It just isn't fair. :D
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Yes! Strengthen unions, extend membership to the majority of workers in industries and service sectors in this nation and let them set minimum wages through collective bargaining by industry. This would be a much more rational approach than having it set through broad sweeping legislation. Six of the most prosperous countries in Europe or the world for that matter use this system to great effect.
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
Yes! Strengthen unions, extend membership to the majority of workers in industries and service sectors in this nation and let them set minimum wages through collective bargaining by industry. This would be a much more rational approach than having it set through broad sweeping legislation. Six of the most prosperous countries in Europe or the world for that matter use this system to great effect.
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were any of those countries a nordic country?
 
Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
thank you..chivalry is not dead!:hug:

EDIT: it's gets tiring and not even a good troll..a 'convince me' attitude all the while offering up nothing himself.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to butt in. @Harrekin was using an irritating ploy to wear down his opponent in a debate and I responded perhaps too quickly.
 
Fogdog

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Fogdog said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to butt in. @Harrekin was using an irritating ploy to wear down his opponent in a debate and I responded perhaps too quickly.
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The six countries without a statutory minimum wage are Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Cyprus, Italy and one other, I forget which one. They all use collective bargaining agreements to set minimum wages in most industries. In sectors where there are no unions, the government sets minimum wages.
 
panhead

panhead

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Uncle Ben said:
The law? You need to start watching The Five and get a touch of reality, the facts. It's no different that Congress being exempt from Obamacare. They saw for what it is, after it was passed of course under a cloak of obscurity, and don't want any part of it.

"The unions are now insisting that that $15 an hour should not actually be the minimum wage in workplaces where unions are involved. Unionised shops should be allowed to set the wage lower than $15 if that’s what they want to do. This could be described as chutzpah, as I have above. It could also be described as repulsively naked arrogance, your choice there."

The union is arguing against the minimum wage. It just isn't fair. :D
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I didnt read past this post so forgive me if im wrong & you covered the areas of health & welfare , pension & vacation pay .

I happen to know a lil sumpin bout dis :)

Anyhow union workers pay packages often are higher than the $15 an hour wage increase , their check might show $12 an hour but add in $6 an hour vacation pay & your allready up to $18 an hour without even adressing the costs associated with pension payments as well as company/union sponsored health insurance .

The exemption will never happen but i dont think you've painted a fair picture as to why the unions want exemption from the law .
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
The six countries without a statutory minimum wage are Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Cyprus, Italy and one other, I forget which one. They all use collective bargaining agreements to set minimum wages in most industries. In sectors where there are no unions, the government sets minimum wages.
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sweden denmark and norway, perhaps? those are the 'nordic socio-capi' countries..that hat i wish we had here..that's what bernie sanders wants for the american people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
 
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schuylaar

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panhead said:
I didnt read past this post so forgive me if im wrong & you covered the areas of health & welfare , pension & vacation pay .

I happen to know a lil sumpin bout dis :)

Anyhow union workers pay packages often are higher than the $15 an hour wage increase , their check might show $12 an hour but add in $6 an hour vacation pay & your allready up to $18 an hour without even adressing the costs associated with pension payments as well as company/union sponsored health insurance .

The exemption will never happen but i dont think you've painted a fair picture as to why the unions want exemption from the law .
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don't suck his cock..you don't need his or anyone's forgiveness.
 
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