matty-berk
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first grow and haveing good sucess but wondering if maybe i did something wrong because there is clearly still a bunch of nitrogen left in the plants
i have amber trichomes but my leaves never turned yellow. is this bad?
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spliffendz
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xtsho
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Leaves don't have to turn yellow. That so called fade is based on cannabis bro-science. People are now starving their plants when they need food the most because they don't understand plant physiology. You can harvest a fully ripe plant that still has green leaves.
I've never seen so much nonsense among growers as I have with cannabis growers. A bunch of made up stuff being passed around with no science to back it up. Now people are worried because they have a healthy plant at harvest instead of one that was starved of nutrients and turned yellow.
I've never seen so much nonsense among growers as I have with cannabis growers. A bunch of made up stuff being passed around with no science to back it up. Now people are worried because they have a healthy plant at harvest instead of one that was starved of nutrients and turned yellow.
Macncheesehaze
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I felt bad when I did my first flushing experiment just to see if I liked it. The plants I had spent so much time feeding and loving I literally just abandoned at the end. They looked sick and tired while the others were still thriving from being fed. Smoke wasn’t any better either. I like how @xtsho put it, it’s so common now that people are really worried that they don’t have a sick plant at the end. Everyone’s gotta learn tho. My advice, sprint through the finish line not to it.
SpawnOfVader
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How about some info on the grow itself so we/you can diagnose what might or might not be an issue? For instance even if you "flush" (which I don't recommend in any way/shape/form) with a good living soil grow it will stay green because the bacteria living in the soil will continue to fix nitrogen and other nutrients for the plant.
Likewise, even if the plant has nutrients it can drop leaves due to external stimuli (think leaves changing and dropping in the fall as a response to the cold/shorter days....
Lol just like I rip our help desk at work...before asking for help always get the what/when/where/why/how to the best of your ability- you'll get a lot better answers on here.
Herb Man
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Post the pics up.
Herb Man
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What week of flowering are you at?
SpawnOfVader
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Here's an example for you man/woman/dude/they/*insert pronoun of choice*:
I had some SLIGHT yellowing on my last run but it only started around week 7.5 and I think that was more of a response to me dropping the average temps by 10 degrees in an effort to pull out more purps in my buds (vanity thing not related to potency)... and MOST of the plants were still green and healthy.
Cutting off feeding additional nitrogen/changing your nutrient ratios is different than cutting off all nutes/starving. Your veg nutes will tend to be very high nitrogen, early flowering nutes will be lower nitrogen and higher P/K... and then your "late flowering nutes" will be very low nitrogen and high soluble potash/calcium/phosphorus. You never want to "starve" your plants but just like an athlete training for a race you want to make sure all the food going into them is properly balanced for their particular phase of growth.
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I had some SLIGHT yellowing on my last run but it only started around week 7.5 and I think that was more of a response to me dropping the average temps by 10 degrees in an effort to pull out more purps in my buds (vanity thing not related to potency)... and MOST of the plants were still green and healthy.
Cutting off feeding additional nitrogen/changing your nutrient ratios is different than cutting off all nutes/starving. Your veg nutes will tend to be very high nitrogen, early flowering nutes will be lower nitrogen and higher P/K... and then your "late flowering nutes" will be very low nitrogen and high soluble potash/calcium/phosphorus. You never want to "starve" your plants but just like an athlete training for a race you want to make sure all the food going into them is properly balanced for their particular phase of growth.
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matty-berk
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yeah there are alot of first time growers that share stuff they have heard and not done themselves. it gets frusterating trying to weave through it all
matty-berk
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8th week of flower and no flush. I just stopped feeding em earlier
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SpawnOfVader
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You get that everywhere.... IRL "I heard this politician did x" or "did you hear this new study saying that eating x is gonna make you thinner" ...... it's all about looking into the source of the info....
You'll see a lot of people make the same recommendation I'm about to (I've seen @xtsho post this basic thing in the organic forums)... for a lot of basic plant knowledge you're better off learning about techniques/concepts from outside the cannabis sites. A lot of very specific knowledge here but because cannabis growing was/is illegal a lot of weird broscience crap got introduced (and weird nonsense terms)...
i.e.: clone = vegetative cutting, "cola" = apical (terminal) bud
Nutrient wise (and a lot of technique wise), tomatoes are the closest plant that has actual real studies done on it.
SpawnOfVader
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Very pretty, what are you doing for soil/nutrients? Got any trich shots/know about how long they have left?
xtsho
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You better get the hose out and flush those plants really good. The leaves are not turning yellow. You're going to be smoking nutrients
xtsho
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Back in the late 90's one of my first jobs in IT was as a Systems Administrator at an advertising firm. Some of the stuff I heard really opened my eyes. I remember once when I had to setup a conference call and these guys were saying things like "It doesn't matter if it's true. We just need to get enough people to believe it to sell more product". That same thing is happening right now in the Cannabis specific industry. Science and reality don't matter. Selling more product is what matters. I don't listen to any of it as I don't need anything they're selling.
SpawnOfVader
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For real... that and "one size fits all" answers... people are either DEFOLIATION IS BAD or YOU MUST KILL ALL LEAVES... when in reality it all depends on situation. LEDs have less ability to penetrate the canopy so do I defoliate my indoor plants? Most definitely (but reasonable levels).... would I defoliate an outdoor plant? Hell no.
Does "flushing" have value in certain circumstances? Yes... if you're doing hydro and you jack up you need to flush to remove excess salts and try to correct your mistake....
Does "flushing" valuable microbial colonies that you've spent months building make sense when it's the way the plant would naturally grow (taken to a level of perfection actual "nature" can't replicate)? Hell no.... I spent four months building up the microbes in my biochar (my soil is a pseudo-terra preta recipe)....
Wizzlebiz
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This is old sales 101.
Perception of a product being good is more important than the product being as good as the Perception.
It falls into almost every tier of life.
1ST 3 months of a relationship people act differently then they truly are. Perception trick.
Interview for a new job? You sell the Perception that you are the right one. Bad hires for good interviews happen all the time.
Start a new job? Best behavior at 1st when in all honesty it won't last. But selling the Perception that you are on it backs off the higher ups.
Perception sells. Sadly it has to because people are to fucking lazy to do shit the right way.
Wizzlebiz
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This leads me to believe you eat the buds right off the plant. Which I could see being interesting. Some lettuce wrapped Gorilla Glue sounds good.
xtsho
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Actually I don't like edibles or eating weed. Hits me too hard and I can't control them like I can by smoking a hit at a time where I can stop when I want. With edibles once you eat it you have to let it run it's course. But maybe a little bit of fresh bud in a salad roll. But weed doesn't taste good to me. It's not like some tasty Thai basil and mint in a salad roll.