Operation 420
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Cute, coming from the most brainwashed, naive person on these boards. Ten Feet may have you beat, but not by much.
Enjoy your Koolaid...
Enjoy your Koolaid...
hanimmal
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Boehner is as bad as Polosi, I don't trust either of them, they are anti anything anyone else says.
So no just because he is a voted in politician, he does not demand absolute trust. Can he say stuff that is true, of course!
Don't know who this guy is (http://www.housingwire.com/ , looks like a investment website), but I fell onto it while looking for what section your talking about. But at least I got the section 201.Home Energy Audits Optional in Cap-and-Trade Bill
By JON PRIOR
June 30, 2009 8:56 PM CST
http://www.housingwire.com/about/advertising/ http://www.hw-ads.com/ads/www/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=240__zoneid=35__cb=4b64a87205__oadest=http://www.MASSACHUSETTESHOUSEAUCTION.com
http://www.hw-ads.com/ads/www/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=32__zoneid=49__cb=825b31462b__oadest=http://www.marktomarket.comA section in HR 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act, which narrowly passed a US House of Representatives vote Friday, falls short of mandating an energy audit on homes, according to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.
Section 204 of the cap-and-trade bill establishes a building energy performance labeling program for homes and commercial property. The section would provide potential buyers and investors in those properties a label explaining that property’s energy efficiency.
Much like a nutrition label on the back of a candy bar, the performance labeling program is a consumer right-to-know provision in the cap-and-trade bill, but it is not required, according to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.
Section 202 of the bill develops the Retrofit for Energy and Environmental Performance (REEP) program. If the owner of the building — residential or commercial — seeks financial assistance from REEP, the property must pass the energy audit.
Energy savings for residential properties are determined by the Home Energy Ratings System (HERS) Index, and the final score is selected by an objective third party, according to the bill.
After the audit is conducted, state and local REEP programs may grant funds to owners for retrofit improvements on energy efficiency.
But...
So then;
Anyway I was reading through it and cannot find anything about mandates on sales of homes or just to get the audit even if your not moving. It does say things about new homes meeting the standards though. And sales of commercial buildings. Also things about bringing non-residential buildings up to code after a while.
But maybe it is because they amended it? I don't know. Maybe it is in there, if that is the case then I guess I won't get a permit to put insulation in my attic.
But also found this, which is a good place to do some fact checking.
They basically only have the republican attacks fact checked, but they do a good job at keeping to the actual information, even if it is mostly defending the arguements against the dems.
http://www.factcheck.org/politics/cap-and-trade_cost_inflation.html
Here is one that is does more against the dems if you like.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/
But of course they don't have anything on it. But they do have some fun things about Obamas broken promises (and are using a tally system to track him). Anyway Happy hunting.
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
So fun ChChoda. You didn't know that I am him? Yeah I come on here to pick up insane ideas that you all are so afraid of so that I can take it and make it my own. Infact Michelle says hi.
Anyway now that you found me out, I would like to point out that I have said he has made mistakes, and actually pointed out one that is true (firing the DA). But as you have to be anti-O with all things I can see that you like to project your feelings onto others.
Wait, I better be careful, since this is on the internet and is not based on anything you have actually researched you will believe it.
I lied, I am not Obama.
ChChoda
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hanimmal
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Well you could always just fact check what I say here, they don't seem too biased...
http://www.therightmovement.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=426:update-hr-3200-every-american-needs-to-know&catid=207:AmericanPie
http://www.therightmovement.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=426:update-hr-3200-every-american-needs-to-know&catid=207:AmericanPie
TheBrutalTruth
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SEC. 401. - ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income AND Any NONRESIDENT Alien is EXEMPT from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)
H.R. 3200 STATES:
SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE
Subpart A--Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage
`Sec. 59B. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.
`SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
`(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of--
(1) the taxpayer's modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over
(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
(c) Exceptions-
(2) NONRESIDENT ALIENS- Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual who is a nonresident alien.
You are naive.
K
Keenly
Guest
basically, from what i have gotten from han, is that there are certain parts of the bill he cant find
since he cant find them, he refuses to believe they exist...
i mean.... hannimal.....im calling you out with this question
did you even WATCH ANY SINGLE ONE of the youtube CSPAN videos.........(or was it CNN)
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
Did we not cover that section 401 in the other thread a few days ago? I cannot help that you guys are talking about one thing and then TBT comes in and posts a completely different bill (we were talking about the cap and trade and boom he comes in on the health insurance bill).
Then you not reading that for yourself decide that I am 'refusing to believe they exist'. Then throw in a completely different question. So read before you type oh wise one who all thoughts are your own and not formulated by other bloggers who actually have a reason to manipulate you.
TBT. You are getting about as snide as they are. I had expected more from you. I get it that you are pissed about the insurance bill. But seriously you are one of the ones that could afford insurance and chose not to. I get that and I understand that you work hard and pay your own bills.
But what happens if you get into a car accident? You wake up and have a $50,000 bill? And with rehab it goes so much higher. And since you are unable to work you lose out on making money.
What will you do? Pride is a bitch man, just because your pride says you don't need something because your above it, unless you become very wealthy (and I hope you do) you will need it. But under the current system you would not be able to get it since the insurance companies can deny you for pre existing issues.
And if you get wealthy and you still refuse to pay the $2000 a year for insurance you would be a fool since it will cost you much more in the long run.
Now you are right (that post you copied is bullshit though). It looks like they are no longer going to let people be irresponsible and not pay for their coverage. For people like you it sucks. But for everyone else I think it is a good thing they can simply walk away from the bill.
Like I said in the healthcare argument. I would not be willing to destroy the best health care system in the world for a few bucks. But I would be willing to spend a bit to improve one in the 30's.
If you want to see here there are a few loopholes you may be able to use. They have a grandfathered loophole, so you could search for the cheapest possible dirt plan and not have to pay taxes. Or you could join a church that has religious disagreements with it and have them sign off for you. Here is the real 401:
So now that we have covered that again. Can we go back to what we were actually talking about before you decided to say I didn't know what I was talking about pointing to something completely different from what was being discussed?
Can someone point me to what their "sources" are saying is the cap and trade bill and how it is going to be imposed on homes? I could not find that (not something in a completely different arguement, or something even more random like a 400w hps bulb) and everything that I did come across said that it is not there.
Any help would be appreciated, since it is important as I am a homeowner and would like to know the facts and not just what the talking heads want me to be afraid of.
Oh and no I did not watch those cnn videos. I have the ability to read and don't need to have peoples words when I cannot see what they are reading in the first place. Because I do not trust politicians, which I would think that your panic about everything Obama would understand.
TreesOfLife
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If you watched the videos you would find out that they had a mysterious 300 pages (they changed the WHOLE BILL on the floor)they added at 3am the night before, and wouldn't bring to the floor among other shenanigans. If you want a link for the bill why don't you utilize your search skills sir.
hanimmal
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God man do you not read what I post before you jump on me? I posted the entire link on the first page. Don't you get it, I have seen this before.
Look no further than the dems and Michael Moore attacking the patriot act for all the secret pages put in last minute. This is a tactic that they created to stir up angst and panic. They vote on things, say what they want / don't want through negotiations, then when it is rewritten they vote on it.
And I posted the link to the bill on the first page of this. What I was saying is that the things pointed to:
I am curious about those. Since this is your information I thought that you would be able to tell me where to find it.
K
Keenly
Guest
where to find it? HELLO!?!?!?!?
I POSTED VIDEOS WITH ALL OF THIS INFORMATION
yet you REFUSE to look at it cause you "dont trust politicians"
even when they are reading a government document word for word......
why dont you stop ignoring the evidence and watch the video.... you will be shocked....
and do i really have to tell you again? this is NOT about obama
i do not hate obama, because obama is a puppet
he is following orders...
dont try to make this about obama and DONT YOU EVEN DARE try to make it about the FALSE left / right paradigm
K
Keenly
Guest
double posting to explain to you tthis...
you dont trust politicians...
neither do i...
which is why its good to hear what they have to say...
where they are trying to lead the herd....
friends close, enemies closer...
KNOW your enemy, know what he is trying to push, know what he will try to stop
you dont trust politicians...
neither do i...
which is why its good to hear what they have to say...
where they are trying to lead the herd....
friends close, enemies closer...
KNOW your enemy, know what he is trying to push, know what he will try to stop
TreesOfLife
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This is the Mental Illness we are suffering from here in America Wake up People...
K
Keenly
Guest
yeah i think he might have that condition the NWO loves
Mental Boxanasia
Mental Boxanasia
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
Well here is the thing. I am asking you because the things that you say are in those 9 videos are not in there. And I really have a hard time believing you actually watched it because here is what you said:
The next three was Boehner reading a random highlighted line here or there. That is not reading a bill line for line.
You are a sheep for believing it.
Instead of taking it and looking it up yourself you took his "guessing what that line means" as gospel. If you will remember the other bill in the Obama thread. It is very easy to just pick a random line and make it sound like something else if you leave out all the guts of the bill that explains it.
Boehner said nothing.
But w/e lets go over your gospel:
Or I guess you would be willing to have your kid (no clue if you have one) chewing on a metal kickplate from china that may be linked to the lead paint they used?
So again you say you don't trust politicians but you fell for this hook line and sinker. Will this bill cost us money, I am sure somewhere it will in the short term. But in the long run energy will be saved and that price hopefully will be a wash. There is nothing in those videos that say anything about how my pre-exsisting home is going to be affected by this.
So once again do you have any 'source' that can point me to the exact numbers (he kept saying page numbers that doesn't help me because I don't have his bill, what font did it get printed in, ect) of the lines of the bill that you are so worried about so that I can look at it for myself and not fall into the trap that you had.
He 1st was NOT reading the bill line for line. The first 6 videos had absolutely nothing said. It was just political grandstanding with the pompus bunch asking repeatedly a question that the lady on the chair (who was on Boehners side if you hadn't noticed) the same question that she couldn't answer.
The next three was Boehner reading a random highlighted line here or there. That is not reading a bill line for line.
You are a sheep for believing it.
Instead of taking it and looking it up yourself you took his "guessing what that line means" as gospel. If you will remember the other bill in the Obama thread. It is very easy to just pick a random line and make it sound like something else if you leave out all the guts of the bill that explains it.
And I replied:
The thing is I have watched these many many times and know what they entail. It is all grandstanding and has very little actual real information in it. If you want to see the actual information watch the debates.
Boehner said nothing.
But w/e lets go over your gospel:
That is because ALL would entail old homes. It is new buildings and commercial buildings, oh and it states that the general guidelines while being set at the fed level leaves the local for the actual regulations. And Boehner again just read a line and you took it as it was the truth.
He said that he thought something meant that every home needs to have an effciency rating that are set by the local government (i.e city), but never said bill number on it. And you pulled the before and after you buy/sell out of your ass. I think that you are blending the building codes with the efficiency ratings. It is funny that you follow his gospel even when your making it up in your mind.
I think you may be talking about where he was saying that they will provide loans and grants to help people improve their water efficiency. There was a whole thing on all the programs they are setting up for people to bring their homes into the efficiencies that they want. Things like getting rid of a old ass dripping toilet and get a new one with less than a gallon tank so you don't wasate a ton of water. Sounds stupid unless you live in a state with water issues.
Very true. He actually said that they would be outlawing 'dangerous' cancer causing materials. He actually read that like it is a bad thing. You remember Asbestos? That is now band along with lead paint. If we find things that are not good for us I think it is perfectly reasonable to ban them don't you?
Or I guess you would be willing to have your kid (no clue if you have one) chewing on a metal kickplate from china that may be linked to the lead paint they used?
Watch it again and this time take your biased out and listen to the politician that you say you don't trust. He read a part that started to talk about loans given to companies and then move overseas. And abruptly stopped reading. Then he went on about how it was actually admitting that jobs will be lost and they will move overseas. He didn't even say that it was going to help them go overseas.
So again you say you don't trust politicians but you fell for this hook line and sinker. Will this bill cost us money, I am sure somewhere it will in the short term. But in the long run energy will be saved and that price hopefully will be a wash. There is nothing in those videos that say anything about how my pre-exsisting home is going to be affected by this.
So once again do you have any 'source' that can point me to the exact numbers (he kept saying page numbers that doesn't help me because I don't have his bill, what font did it get printed in, ect) of the lines of the bill that you are so worried about so that I can look at it for myself and not fall into the trap that you had.
TreesOfLife
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................ He is the Minority Leader That is why he got to talk... Pelosi in Da Box was kissing this same ladies ass. I don't see Boehner doing that.
When you have obama's Stazi Squad busting down your door to do "Green Audits", or whatever they might call them. You were warned.
Of course many people here are probly already members.
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hanimmal
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You are such a wack-job................. He is the Minority Leader That is why he got to talk... Pelosi in Da Box was kissing this same ladies ass. I don't see Boehner doing that.
When you have obama's Stazi Squad busting down your door to do "Green Audits", or whatever they might call them. You were warned.
Of course many people here are probly already members.